What wormer should I use?

[Birker2020]

Some of the liveries on our yard were offered the chance to do a worm count test and I had one done for my horse. When the results came back I was told my horse had tested 24 with the ideal being around 15, so anything over
15 is considered necessary to worm.

I need to buy a wormer for him but I'm not sure what wormer I should get for this time of year as googling various sites I'm having conflicting information.

Can you advise please? He has his own paddock, lives out overnight and we poo pick three times a week on average.

Incidentally, he's having his hocks and SI medicated on Thursday and will be staying on box rest for four days following this, so it might be beneficial to worm him Wednesday night. This will be okay won't it?

Please no nasty comments. TIA.

 

[jnb]

Personally I would not worm prior to any stressful procedure to avoid upping the risk of colic.

Whoever did the worm count, should have recommended the correct product to worm for the worms they have found, as part of the service you paid for.

Incidentally, my vet worm counts and any count below 50 does not require worming so it may be useful to clarify with the worm count people - surely they advised what type of worm eggs were found? Then you can use an appropriate wormer, there is no way you can do this unless they have told you what type of worm was found.

 

[Birker2020]

Personally I would not worm prior to any stressful procedure to avoid upping the risk of colic.

Whoever did the worm count, should have recommended the correct product to worm for the worms they have found, as part of the service you paid for.

Incidentally, my vet worm counts and any count below 50 does not require worming so it may be useful to clarify with the worm count people - surely they advised what type of worm eggs were found? Then you can use an appropriate wormer, there is no way you can do this unless they have told you what type of worm was found.

The YO organised it and gave us the results back and said I needed a wormer as advised by them. There were a few of us that needed our horses worming, the majority were okay I think. I was rushing off somewhere, may have been before we went on holiday, so didn't have time to go into it in any detail.

 

[Dexter]

Was it a tape worm test?

You dont have to keep them in after worming so dont worry about that.

 

[ycbm]

Was it a tape worm test?

You dont have to keep them in after worming so dont worry about that.

The last advice I read was that you should keep them in after worming for tape, because live eggs can be shed by tapeworm after worming. Not necessary for any other wormer though.

B, I would worm with Eqvalan Duo to cover everything except encysted redworm, then again before spring, after a heavy frost, with moxidectin (Equest) to get the encysted red that don't show on a worm egg count test.
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[Birker2020]

Thank you, I assume it was a faecal egg count as this is what it normally carried out.
Had so much going on I didn't really take it in to be honest as it was all done for me.

I'll nip in to the feed merchant and pick up a wormer tonight.

 

[jnb]

But it's pointless worming unless you know which worms you're trying to eradicate...? Please ask whoever it was to tell you which drug you need otherwise you will be wasting money and worming horse unnecessarily. I would not worm so close to anything like sedation, stressful travel (maybe it's just me, paranoid about colic)

 

[nutjob]

When the results came back I was told my horse had tested 24 with the ideal being around 15, so anything over
15 is considered necessary to worm.

This is not in line with advice from Westgate labs or poo post if this is a fec. I would ask the yo for the report from the company who ran the test and follow up yourself. Confirm which test has actually been performed so you can determine what is the best wormer (if any) that you need to use.

 

[ycbm]

Thank you, I assume it was a faecal egg count as this is what it normally carried out.
Had so much going on I didn't really take it in to be honest as it was all done for me.

I'll nip in to the feed merchant and pick up a wormer tonight.

The count does not sound right for a FEC. That's normally much higher figures, with anything over 200 requiring worming.

That's why i said worm with Duo, because that's the only practical way to worm for tape, a dual wormer. If this is a tape test, you need the tape wormer, if it's not a tape test you don't know what his tape status is, so you need the tape wormer (or to do the second test).
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[Birker2020]

I couldn't get one from my feed merchant tonight so will get one online. My feed merchant said there is too much paperwork involved for them to bother to carry wormers in stock.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I normally worm at least 4 times a year. Pramox in april and october and ordinary other times

 

[Dexter]

I normally worm at least 4 times a year. Pramox in april and october and ordinary other times

great way to increase worm resistance

 

[Ellibelli]

great way to increase worm resistance

The message about the horror of worm resistance just isn't getting through to people is it?

 

[NR88]

I couldn't get one from my feed merchant tonight so will get one online. My feed merchant said there is too much paperwork involved for them to bother to carry wormers in stock.

Get what? Different wormers contain different chemicals that treat different worms at different life stages.

The results that you have posted are not in line with FEC results.

If a tape worm test was carried out the YO would need to stand your horse without food or water for half an hour before testing. They would also bill you around £20 for the tape worm test. I would hope that they would make owners aware before carrying this out and provide the official results.

It is tape worm (& FEC testing) time of year but horses should be tested before worming* otherwise you are increasing the risk of worm resistance.

* encysted red is the exception as there is only a blood test for this. It is normal to worm for encysted red worms after the first hard frost.

Please also check with professionals before taking any action as there has been incorrect information/bad examples on this thread.

It is incredibly important that the risk of resistance to wormers is reduced as much as possible. The advice is NOT to blanket worm and TO test.

Most equine veterinary websites have worming information, you can call your own practice and of course Westgate have a comprehensive website. It is imperative that you determine what test was done and what the actual results are before worming.

Personally I would not worm, especially with one type mentioned, close to veterinary procedures.

 

[Birker2020]

Get what? Different wormers contain different chemicals that treat different worms at different life stages.

The results that you have posted are not in line with FEC results.

If a tape worm test was carried out the YO would need to stand your horse without food or water for half an hour before testing. They would also bill you around £20 for the tape worm test. I would hope that they would make owners aware before carrying this out and provide the official results.

It is tape worm (& FEC testing) time of year but horses should be tested before worming* otherwise you are increasing the risk of worm resistance.

* encysted red is the exception as there is only a blood test for this. It is normal to worm for encysted red worms after the first hard frost.

Please also check with professionals before taking any action as there has been incorrect information/bad examples on this thread.

It is incredibly important that the risk of resistance to wormers is reduced as much as possible. The advice is NOT to blanket worm and TO test.

Most equine veterinary websites have worming information, you can call your own practice and of course Westgate have a comprehensive website. It is imperative that you determine what test was done and what the actual results are before worming.

Personally I would not worm, especially with one type mentioned, close to veterinary procedures.

I was going to try and buy what YBCM suggested as she is tge expert.

I'll ask my y.o tomorrow.

To be honest I've had so much worry recently with one thing and another that worming my horse has been the very least of my problems. I'm not losing sleep over it, I've been meaning to sort it out for a while but there's been other priorities.

I just know thar a sample of fresh poo was taken and bagged and with other peoples horses samples was sent off. I don't know the ins and outs, i wasn't there at the time.

 

[paddy555]

Some of the liveries on our yard were offered the chance to do a worm count test and I had one done for my horse. When the results came back I was told my horse had tested 24 with the ideal being around 15, so anything over
15 is considered necessary to worm.

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this simply doesn't make sense. However experienced anyone is, even YCBM, they cannot give you advice unless they know the accurate situation.

I worm count and would expect a result such as <50, 50, 100. 200 all of which don't need worming or something like 400 which does.

You need to understand the reading as if it is high you may need to do a resistance test to be sure the wormer has worked.
If you have supplied a poo sample it is a FEC test. Lari will also need to be tested for tapeworm which is an equisal saliva test which is held under the tongue until it changes colour and is then sent off to the lab. Have you done one?

Personally I would not worm at the same time as medicating the hocks. I always separate worming, not that I need to worm very often.

 

[paddy555]

I normally worm at least 4 times a year. Pramox in april and october and ordinary other times

can I ask why when it goes against all advice?

 

[Barton Bounty]

all advice from who? I have followed the same advice since I was 11 years old! BB had a worm count done at weipers equine centre in 2020 when he had colic and he had 0 so I think I will just keep following my own advice!

as you were, all you perfect troops ????

 

[Birker2020]

this simply doesn't make sense. However experienced anyone is, even YCBM, they cannot give you advice unless they know the accurate situation.

I worm count and would expect a result such as <50, 50, 100. 200 all of which don't need worming or something like 400 which does.

You need to understand the reading as if it is high you may need to do a resistance test to be sure the wormer has worked.
If you have supplied a poo sample it is a FEC test. Lari will also need to be tested for tapeworm which is an equisal saliva test which is held under the tongue until it changes colour and is then sent off to the lab. Have you done one?

Personally I would not worm at the same time as medicating the hocks. I always separate worming, not that I need to worm very often.

Ok thanks I'll leave it for now.

 

[Barton Bounty]

Ok thanks I'll leave it for now.

Listen, not everyone agrees, but I wont be railroaded into rubbish comments about what you should or shouldnt do, My vet agrees with my working schedule and she follows it herself for her horses, we never use the same wormers every time so it doesnt cause any resistance!
You apparently arent allowed a viewpoint. Some folk agree some dont… end of ?and that is why I love user ignore!

 

[Bellaboo18]

all advice from who? I have followed the same advice since I was 11 years old! BB had a worm count done at weipers equine centre in 2020 when he had colic and he had 0 so I think I will just keep following my own advice!

as you were, all you perfect troops ????

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This is really outdated advice. Using wormers when you don't need to *and* using the same wormers year on year increases resistance, we'll get to the point where we don't have any wormers to use.

 

[Barton Bounty]

This is really outdated advice. Using wormers when you don't need to *and* using the same wormers year on year increases resistance, we'll get to the point where we don't have any wormers to use.

And that is advice you are at liberty to
Take, and I will continue to take mine, it works for me, so I am fine with that ??

 

[paddy555]

Listen, not everyone agrees, but I wont be railroaded into rubbish comments about what you should or shouldnt do, My vet agrees with my working schedule and she follows it herself for her horses, we never use the same wormers every time so it doesnt cause any resistance!
You apparently arent allowed a viewpoint. Some folk agree some dont… end of ?and that is why I love user ignore!

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at your comments on this post and post 18. I suspect many would also query the advice being given to you by a vet. I guess I am not the only one on this thread that thinks the same. This is not BTW my viewpoint, HHO's viewpoint or that of any other individual it is veterinary advice to try and reduce resistance and to provide at least some methods of worming left to us in the future. AFAIK there are no new wormers (chemicals) being developed.

You use different wormers? AFAIK there is febendazole which has massive resistance and is really pretty pointless for many, ivermectin which has some resistance and moxidectin.

I would be interested in how many different wormers you think there are?

Everyone is allowed a viewpoint however it would be utterly ridiculous for anyone to give Birker poor quality and out of date advice. I am sure we all want the best for Lari.

 

[nutjob]

Wormer advice has definitely changed since I was 11, sometimes it's better for the equine community as a whole to move with the times as there are no new active ingredients for wormers in the pipeline.

we never use the same wormers every time

but you are if you are following the protocol you have listed in your previous post. Equest and Equest pramox both contain moxidectin. You are not rotating at all .

 

[Barton Bounty]

??Perfect! Like i have already said its that sort of schedule i follow, I did NOT say I use equest, I SAID I use different ones at the other months. ??

 

[paddy555]

https://liphookequinehospital.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/targeted-worming.pdf

for anyone unfamiliar with worming (obviously not BB) the above link may provide some useful info.

 

[Barton Bounty]

https://liphookequinehospital.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/targeted-worming.pdf

for anyone unfamiliar with worming (obviously not BB) the above link may provide some useful info.

And you dont need to be RUDE! We dont all have to FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE!

 

[Bellaboo18]

And you dont need to be RUDE! We dont all have to FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE!

I'm afraid it's not an opinion, its well evidenced fact

 

[paddy555]

And you dont need to be RUDE! We dont all have to FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE!

I am not being in the slightest rude. I am simply posting the current worming advice accepted by the vet profession in case it helps anyone who comes in this thread in order that they totally understand worming and resistance.

It is not my advice. There is no need for capitals to shout at me.

It would be interesting to hear of all these different wormers that you use. Which ones are they?

 

[nutjob]

I did NOT say I use equest, I SAID I use different ones at the other months. ??

but you did

I normally worm at least 4 times a year. Pramox in april and october and ordinary other times

all advice from who? I have followed the same advice since I was 11 years old! BB had a worm count done at weipers equine centre in 2020 when he had colic and he had 0 so I think I will just keep following my own advice!

as you were, all you perfect troops ????

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