What wormer should I use?

[ycbm]

I was going to try and buy what YBCM suggested as she is tge expert.

I am not "the expert", I don't follow the testing advice myself. I perhaps didn't make it clear that the gold standard is to do two tests first, FEC and tapeworm, and choose a wormer accordingly.

But if you have to worm for tape, which I suspect from the number you gave you do, then it's very difficult to obtain a wormer for tape alone, and personally I won't use moxidectin with praziquantel, only ivermectin with praziquantel.
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[SEL]

If it's from a sample of poo instead of saliva then Westgate's current advice is a count of under 175 doesn't need worming. Above 200 they suggest worming - chemical dependent on what eggs are seen.

Literally just done my 3. All under 25.

Next step to persuade them to starve for 30 mins so we can do the saliva test. There is a bit of a tapeworm issue on my land so that might not be clear.

 

[Mrs. Jingle]

Wormer advice has definitely changed since I was 11, sometimes it's better for the equine community as a whole to move with the times as there are no new active ingredients for wormers in the pipeline.
you are if you are following the protocol you have listed in your previous post. Equest and Equest pramox both contain moxidectin. You are not rotating at all .

I don't really want to get too in depth critizing individual posters, but BB you are giving seriously bad and very outdated advice that does not just affect your own horse or Birker's Lari. It is the responsibility of ALL of us to do our very best to follow up to date scientifically validated protocols for worming to avoid widespread resistance that will eventually impact on the health of all equines.

If I was rigidly sticking to all horse care and welfare advice I was given as an 11 year old I have no doubt my horses would have suffered throughout the years for my refusal to keep myself informed and updated on improved knowledge and best practice in many areas of equine welfare.

Just because some of us have been around horses for a good few decades does not mean we must always know best does it?

 

[criso]

I am not "the expert", I don't follow the testing advice myself. I perhaps didn't make it clear that the gold standard is to do two tests first, FEC and tapeworm, and choose a wormer accordingly.

But if you have to worm for tape, which I suspect from the number you gave you do, then it's very difficult to obtain a wormer for tape alone, and personally I won't use moxidectin with praziquantel, only ivermectin with praziquantel.
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You can still get Pyrantel (pyratape p, embotape, strongid p) and do a double dose for tapeworm.

I alternate it with Praziquantel for a horse that has a tendency to throw positive tapeworm tests.

 

[criso]

@Birker2020

There's a useful link here on the different types of test and how to interpret results.

https://www.westgatelabs.co.uk/info-zone/what-do-my-results-mean/

And what to worm with depending on what was found

https://www.westgatelabs.co.uk/info...my-horse-with/worming-treatments-by-parasite/

The infozone is a good general resource on all aspects of worming

 

[ycbm]

You can still get Pyrantel (pyratape p, embotape, strongid p) and do a double dose for tapeworm.

I alternate it with Praziquantel for a horse that has a tendency to throw positive tapeworm tests.

I thought Strongid P was discontinued, have they brought it back? I couldn't get it anywhere the last time I tried.
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[Birker2020]

I might have misheard what I was told result wise, given that nothing seems to correlate with the '15'.

I will have to investigate further. There's more urgent stuff I've had to tend to but I'll try and get a grip with it tomorrow.

 

[Birker2020]

@Birker2020

There's a useful link here on the different types of test and how to interpret results.

https://www.westgatelabs.co.uk/info-zone/what-do-my-results-mean/

And what to worm with depending on what was found

https://www.westgatelabs.co.uk/info...my-horse-with/worming-treatments-by-parasite/

The infozone is a good general resource on all aspects of worming

Thank you x

 

[criso]

I thought Strongid P was discontinued, have they brought it back? I couldn't get it anywhere the last time I tried.
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Been getting it or equivalent regularly


https://hyperdrug.co.uk/search-results-page?q=Pyrantel

Praziquantel was considered better as it only targets tapeworms however as you can only get it over the counter in combination, that reason no longer applies.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I double dosed my lot with Strongid P recently to deal with tapeworm. 7 syringes between 3 horses - big mare needs 3 syringes. Get mine from 365Vet.

It was a crazy decision to remove Equitape (Praziquantel only) from general sale.

I never use Equest Pramox because of the colic risk, but I used to use plain Equest and then 14 days later Equitape.

ETA Edited as got in a pickle re worming for tapes ?.

Praziquantel still available on retail sale, but for some weird reasoning that I don't understand only in combination with ivermectin as in Equimax.

 

[Ellibelli]

Listen, not everyone agrees, but I wont be railroaded into rubbish comments about what you should or shouldnt do, My vet agrees with my working schedule and she follows it herself for her horses, we never use the same wormers every time so it doesnt cause any resistance!
You apparently arent allowed a viewpoint. Some folk agree some dont… end of ?and that is why I love user ignore!

BB your own horse is probably too old to be affected long term by your worming program, but what you are doing could contribute to massive welfare issues for horses in the future, by effectively producing worms that are resistant to all available wormers, and if your vet approves of your worming program they should be reported! As horse owners we are responsible for keeping up to date with stuff like this and it's really not that difficult to do so - the "I've always done it this way and I'm ok" attitude is just lazy and arrogant. I'm sorry if this post offends you, but I've had personal dealings with a horse that had worms resistant to current wormers and it was heart breaking and we must all do our bit to stop it getting worse

 

[HashRouge]

Leaving aside the issue of resistance to wormers, I just don't understand why anyone would want to worm if they don't have to. A worm count seems a much better option to me! I've just had my two done and it was £11 total for both horses, so much cheaper than worming too.

 

[ycbm]

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BB I don't understand why you think this is using different wormers each time?

Equest is Moxidectin, it does everything except tape.
Equestrian Pramox is moxidectin and praziquantel. Praziquantel does only tape, nothing else.

You are not varying your wormers at all.

 

[Fruitcake]

FECs are usually measured in eggs per g. Have the yard possibly missed zeros off the numbers? Could it be 240epg and 150epg?
Have you seen the actual lab reported figures or have they just relayed the info second hand?
I agree that you definitely need to determine the measurement scale before making a decision on which wormer (and, indeed, whether or not to worm at all). It’s also a good idea to know tapeworm levels first too so you can decide on whether you need to use a standard / redworm wormer or if you need to do a dual wormer or double dose of Pyrantel to target tapeworm too.
Worm counting is great, but for it to be effective, you need to use the results correctly.

 

[paddy555]

BB I don't understand why you think this is using different wormers each time?

Equest is Moxidectin, it does everything except tape.
Equestrian Pramox is moxidectin and praziquantel. Praziquantel does only tape, nothing else.

You are not varying your wormers at all.

I think the explanation is that there are a lot of different wormers. For example bi mectin, vectin, noromectin, animec, eraquall and eqvalan to name a few. Of course these are all the same. I suspect this is where BB is getting confused. Similarly that equest is in pramox so in fact that is the same chemical twice a year.