Business
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As title really- don't normally post in here just lurk but recent lurking has me worried enough to ask.
What's wrong with Baker's and what do you think of Dr. John Silver?
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Katikins
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Ah, let the fun begin! Basically, read the stuff on the back, most of it is so cancerous it is scary... also, dog poo shouldn't be dayglo orange 
Other people here can give a more scientific answer
Other people here can give a more scientific answer Ranyhyn
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Those arent peas/carrots etc in the food, so why are they bright orange/green....additives?
Dogs on the equivalent of kids on enumbers = not good.
Here endeth the simple version of the lesson
Dogs on the equivalent of kids on enumbers = not good.
Here endeth the simple version of the lesson
MurphysMinder
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What they said^^^. It is equivalent to feeding children a diet of MacDonalds and blue smarties.
Don't know anything about Dr John Silver I'm afraid, but what you are looking for in the ingredients is meat first, and not loads of additives. I can recommend Skinners Field & Trial as a reasonably priced good quality kibble.
Don't know anything about Dr John Silver I'm afraid, but what you are looking for in the ingredients is meat first, and not loads of additives. I can recommend Skinners Field & Trial as a reasonably priced good quality kibble.
flashmans
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My dog gets Dr. Johns silver. She likes it and does very well on it. Good quality stuff! Would definitely recommend
Business
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My dog gets Dr. Johns silver. She likes it and does very well on it. Good quality stuff! Would definitely recommend
That's encouraging because that is what I have been feeding since I got the dogs. They seam fine on it.
I have never and will now never buy Bakers.
Thanks
Cinnamontoast
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Bakers contains carcinogenic ingredients, very low percentage of actual meat and is full of cereal, which dogs can't digest. It is rated as one star out of six purely because there is not a lower rating. Think floor sweepings. If the first named ingredient is cereal or a derivative, leave it alone.
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=426&cat=all
4% meat in the brown bits, which is 20% of the total, so almost nil in total?!
Dr John Silver is on a par with Bakers It too contains carcinogens. (BHA, BHT) As my dog died of cancer, I'm keen to avoid feeding an animal that has no choice utter rubbish. Just googlethe ingredients. There are better foods out there for less money.
Both foods mentioned are on this traffic light system index, both written in red i.e. awful.
http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/189896-dry-dog-food-index.html
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1123&cat=all
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=426&cat=all
4% meat in the brown bits, which is 20% of the total, so almost nil in total?!
Dr John Silver is on a par with Bakers
It too contains carcinogens. (BHA, BHT) As my dog died of cancer, I'm keen to avoid feeding an animal that has no choice utter rubbish. Just googlethe ingredients. There are better foods out there for less money. Both foods mentioned are on this traffic light system index, both written in red i.e. awful.
http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-health-nutrition/189896-dry-dog-food-index.html
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1123&cat=all
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quirky
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What CT says
I would want to know what 'animal derivatives' constituted. Just sounds wrong!
I'm another who feeds Skinners.
I would want to know what 'animal derivatives' constituted. Just sounds wrong!
I'm another who feeds Skinners.
Vizslak
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whilst Dr Johns doesnt have as many e numbers it doesnt actually have any meat in it at all! I'm not sure whether that makes it better/worse than bakers although its an awful lot cheaper! I wouldnt feed it to mine, as CT said it also contains carcinogens banned for human consumption.
Business
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What do you feed yours?
Vizslak
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Arden Grange performance. Cheaper alternative as others have suggested would be skinners, mine dont do well on it but plenty of dogs do.
Jake10
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Cinnamontoast did a list of food and ingredients to avoid:
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=479387
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=479387
Business
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What is the cheapest way to feed a dog that will not dammage it's health?
flashmans
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Mine's been on Dr John's for years and vet says she's incredibly healthy - inside and out...
Serephin
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I feed mine fish4dogs.
galaxy
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Same. If you hunt around on the internet, you can get is for £36/bag (unlike the £55 RRP) which last my GSP 6 weeks.
Business
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But people here and the links posted are saying Dr John is as bad as Bakers. It's by royal appointment though.
Jake10
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It's not the cheapest but I feed mine James Wellbeloved biscuits in the morning and NatureDiet meat in the evening
You can get some good deals here --> http://www.berriewoodwholesale.co.uk/
You can get some good deals here --> http://www.berriewoodwholesale.co.uk/
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Cinnamontoast
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Raw. Mine cost about £4 each a week, often less.
Which is a terribly naive thing to say unless you have tested faecal matter, bile, done a thorough blood panel etc. Anyone who knows anything about vet training will tell you, vets get almost no nutrition advice except by their big sponsor, Hills, whose food is bloody awful, too.
I presume you looked at the ingredient list of Dr John's? Which bit about it containing carcinogens did you miss? Please don't think I'm being rude, but I've spent a long time trying to compile help for people on decent dog food. You only need to google the brand to see if its good or bad. Your dog may appear healthy, mine did, very lively, happy dog til he was diagnosed with cancer and PTS the next ay.
I'd rather give my dogs the best I can rather than stubbornly stick with something just because it's habit.
Business
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I can't afford Fish4dogs- having seen the price- I have 2 large rescue dogs, a horse and no job ATM so help me people- cheapest dog feeding solutions please.
Cinnamontoast
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Raw. Check this site. They deliver for £5 south of lincolnshire (also google DAF). Raw should be fed at 2-3% of dog's weight so mine get 500-600g daily. I can feed for 35p a day, therefore:
http://www.thedogfoodcompany.co.uk/products.html
galaxy
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From what I've seen from a quick google, Bakers is £21-25 a bag. I bet you'd feed less by quantity of fish4dogs as it's better quality and would hardly work out much more expensive at £36/bag.
MurphysMinder
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I'm not sure how much you pay for Dr John, but you should be able to get Skinners F & T duck and rice for around £20, which to me is a reasonable price for a decent food.
galaxy
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it's half the price of even Bakers!! Really is cheap as chips!
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dr-John-Sil...2V3S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1330268768&sr=8-1
Business
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Dr. John is £9.90 for 15kg. So skinners is twice that although I shouldn't need to feed as much.
I am in the south west and have no storage for large quantities of raw meat.
Other solutions? Anyone?
I am in the south west and have no storage for large quantities of raw meat.
Other solutions? Anyone?
quirky
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My IG, who is absolutely not fussy as to what he eats, refuses to touch fish4dogs. Can't say I blame him, it has a vile smell and feels incredibly greasy to the touch. Not saying it's a bad food mind
He is on Arden Grange in the morning and Nature's Harvest at night.
The GSP's are on Skinners. They also get pilchards on top every other day.
He is on Arden Grange in the morning and Nature's Harvest at night.
The GSP's are on Skinners. They also get pilchards on top every other day.
Business
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Ur sorry but don;t know what the initials stand for. Only got the dogs as they were destined to be PTS.
One is a large lurcher the second is a wolfhound cross GSD we think. I know breed is crucial when feeding dogs.
One is a large lurcher the second is a wolfhound cross GSD we think. I know breed is crucial when feeding dogs.
misterjinglejay
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I have fed my gang on James Wellbeloved, and Skinners, which they did really well on, but now feed raw.
I can feed 3 large dogs for about £5-7 a week, and they look fantastic on it (even if I do say so myself).
Raw is fun for me too, as it's great to decide what to feed them daily - a bit of this and a bit of that, some chicken, or a bit of pork and liver.
It's not complicated, and the dogs absolutely love it!
I can feed 3 large dogs for about £5-7 a week, and they look fantastic on it (even if I do say so myself).
Raw is fun for me too, as it's great to decide what to feed them daily - a bit of this and a bit of that, some chicken, or a bit of pork and liver.
It's not complicated, and the dogs absolutely love it!
misterjinglejay
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My local butcher is very helpful, and will give me a big bag of offcuts - beef, pork, lamb, etc for about 20pence, and chook carcasses work out at about 9p each.
I only have two freezer drawers for the dogs, and a cheese biscuit box in the fridge for thawing. I will get a dog freezer asap, but it can work with only a small space.
I only have two freezer drawers for the dogs, and a cheese biscuit box in the fridge for thawing. I will get a dog freezer asap, but it can work with only a small space.
Business
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I only have a tiny freezer that is part of the fridge - no shelves in it! That is full of reduced meat I was planning to eat.
When I first got the dogs I asked the local butcher about bones- he charged me £1 per bone.
When I first got the dogs I asked the local butcher about bones- he charged me £1 per bone.