NOISYGIRL
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Yup poor dog, what I couldn't get through was that he might not get much past 8 if she carried on feeding it
What's wrong with Baker's and what do you think of Dr. John Silver?
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Yup poor dog, what I couldn't get through was that he might not get much past 8 if she carried on feeding it
Vizslak
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Oh I see Noisygirl, I do apologise, I misinterpreted your post, I thought you were justifying it! Silly woman, sometimes though you just cant make people understand can you 
dingle12
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No kids so dont bother calling social services !!! and it shows that your cheap brand food thats sold in supermarkets are just as good as you dearer brand.
And no im not a vet but ive worked a hell of a lot of years in the veterinary business.
I understand what your saying as in some things can cause the cancer but as i said alot of things can. We have dealt with many animals fed on high quality food all there life but yet still lost them to different things cancer included.
As i said my dogs are very happy on Dr Johns and one had a full detailed blood test and everything was spot on if not better then it should be for his age.
So yes I will still feed my dog RUBBISH as you call it im sure my poor dogs will be ok.
Cinnamontoast
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Of course, but why knowingly add to the load? If the ingredients don't put you off, the price should. There are some good foods out there for less money.
Can't even be bothered to reply to Dingle, too depressing to argue with someone who clearly thinks it's ok to feed rubbish.
dingle12
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What a load of tosh dont want to get depressed !!! Jog on just because i feed my animals something that as you put it im very lucky to have gotten away with not giving my dogs cancer! i best go put the lotto on then because so far ive managed not to kill off about 12 dogs that have all died or pts to old age simply.
AMW
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Took our dog off Bakers & put him on Autarky, he's had a personality change since but is Autarky nutritionally sound?
CorvusCorax
'Do you come here often?'
I'm still waiting for my supplier to get in the senior salmon version of Autarky for my big dog, I am running out of options as he is now no longer doing well on Wainwrights (which had kept him stable for some time) and it seems to tick quite a few boxes.
Nice price too
Nice price too
Dobiegirl
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Ive just changed over to Autarky Salmon from Skinners Duck & Rice and havnt quite finished a bag yet. It is not much different to Skinners but is a few pounds cheaper and as a bag last me just over 10days it mounts up.
If anything I think they are drinking more whether its the food or the warmer weather I havnt sussed it out yet. I will feed another 2 bags and if Im not happy will go back to Skinners.
If anything I think they are drinking more whether its the food or the warmer weather I havnt sussed it out yet. I will feed another 2 bags and if Im not happy will go back to Skinners.
Cinnamontoast
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http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=1913&cat=all
It is rated red in this dry dog food index (red=worst, green=best):
http://www.petforums.co.uk/1061404556-post1.html
Dobiegirl
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Ct The new Autarky is different the adult salmon contains
Salmon 35%
rice 33%
it also contains oats,chicken fat,yeast,full fat linseed,alfalfa,praire meal,peas,unmolassed beet pulp,milk thistle,marigold,nettle,seaweed,yucca,blackcurrent,carrot,thyme,beetroot,tomato,peppermint,fennel,paprika,turmeric,dandelion,ginger,fenugrek,rosemary,oregano & aloe vera.
Salmon 35%
rice 33%
it also contains oats,chicken fat,yeast,full fat linseed,alfalfa,praire meal,peas,unmolassed beet pulp,milk thistle,marigold,nettle,seaweed,yucca,blackcurrent,carrot,thyme,beetroot,tomato,peppermint,fennel,paprika,turmeric,dandelion,ginger,fenugrek,rosemary,oregano & aloe vera.
northernnewfiediva
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Haven't read the whole thread but with regard to Dr John Silver, we have up to 12 working dogs at any time, various spaniels ( cockers, springers), labs and lurchers. We have also had cross breeds in as a training challenge (!), they are all fed Dr John silver as a base feed with an odd bag of something else as a 'top up' and we have been feeding it for literally years - about 15 as far as I can remember. We have NEVER had any form of cancer in ANY of our dogs, many of whom are second/third/fourth generation of our breeding and we can trace the lines back 20 years. We also keep in touch with the vast ajority of our puppies or rehomed dogs.
Almost all our vet bills are caused by working injuries, the incredibly stupid ban on tail docking working dogs in Scotland, cars knocking down our cats or horses doing horse-y things. We have NEVER had anything more sinister and I would suspect thatteh manufacturers of these feeds would be unhappy atteh tone of some of the posts in this thread!
Almost all our vet bills are caused by working injuries, the incredibly stupid ban on tail docking working dogs in Scotland, cars knocking down our cats or horses doing horse-y things. We have NEVER had anything more sinister and I would suspect thatteh manufacturers of these feeds would be unhappy atteh tone of some of the posts in this thread!
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I googled the ingredients of Dr john (I am sad and avoiding a thesis )
BHA/BHT the preservative antioxidants are the supposed carcinogens, there does seem to be evidence both ways as to whether they are or not, or may even act a as a protective (presumably because they mop up free radicals) so I think if I had a dog I wouldn't not feed a food because it had them as ingredients.
)BHA/BHT the preservative antioxidants are the supposed carcinogens, there does seem to be evidence both ways as to whether they are or not, or may even act a as a protective (presumably because they mop up free radicals) so I think if I had a dog I wouldn't not feed a food because it had them as ingredients.
Cinnamontoast
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Interesting. IT still comes out as red (IMO) because of the amount of grains, which as far as I'm aware are totally unnecessary for canines. Prairie meal is very low quality maize, I think. Beet pulp is also questionable. There is a mix of really good indgredients and really odd.
I googled the ingredients of Dr john (I am sad and avoiding a thesis
BHA/BHT the preservative antioxidants are the supposed carcinogens, there does seem to be evidence both ways as to whether they are or not, or may even act a as a protective (presumably because they mop up free radicals) so I think if I had a dog I wouldn't not feed a food because it had them as ingredients.
I prefer not to risk it. I've read more about the disadvantages of them than the advantages. Dr John has cereal as the first and biggest ingredient-dogs don't need carbs. I think it might be better to use a little of a really decent dry food and top up with something not so expensive. I don't seriously understand why people would pay for fillers, other than the convenience of being able to buy it somewhere handy.
Data can be interpreted in different ways but I do think people ought to check a bit more. (I know people on here do!) It concerns me that some people are swayed by the advertising and don't realise that some commercially available foods are so low in actual meat/decent ingredients and they just see the advert and buy it cos it's cheap/available.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
ah yes the cereal content would be much, much more likely to put me off!
Oberon
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Your dogs can eat for free if you visit the butchers and empty their 'slop bucket' each day
You are supposed to have a certain ratio of meat v bone v liver v offal, but it all works out in a long term way.
If you hit a couple of butchers, you should score whatever you need
Business
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Your dogs can eat for free if you visit the butchers and empty their 'slop bucket' each day
You are supposed to have a certain ratio of meat v bone v liver v offal, but it all works out in a long term way.
If you hit a couple of butchers, you should score whatever you need
Tried that, one wants £1 per lb another £1 per kilo.
ladyt25
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Blimey, there are far too many feed experts on here and no, I am not even being sarcastic! how did you all get this knowledge though, wass it just trial and error or have you been told by others or is it just a case of research, reasearch, research?
I have to say, i maybe naiveley believe that people who manufacture dog feed actually care about dog health and welfare and it would seem that is not the case. I admit, I feed mine a mixer and tinned meat but she may also get the odd 'treat' whether that be sardines or whatever. When i got her from Dogs Trust in dec she came with a bag of Arden Grange so that I could 'wean' her on to my own choice of food eventually. Oddly though she was not keen on Arden Grange at all - this is a dog who i have discovered eats just about anything!
I do feel more comfortable feeding a dog some meat though. Not many dogs I know seem very keen on eating just dried food.
I have to say, i maybe naiveley believe that people who manufacture dog feed actually care about dog health and welfare and it would seem that is not the case. I admit, I feed mine a mixer and tinned meat but she may also get the odd 'treat' whether that be sardines or whatever. When i got her from Dogs Trust in dec she came with a bag of Arden Grange so that I could 'wean' her on to my own choice of food eventually. Oddly though she was not keen on Arden Grange at all - this is a dog who i have discovered eats just about anything!
I do feel more comfortable feeding a dog some meat though. Not many dogs I know seem very keen on eating just dried food.
Cinnamontoast
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I spent a lot of time researching food after a dog of mine was PTS (stomach and spinal cancer). At a similar time, a friend of mine died, riddled with cancer. Another friend, who's an oncology nurse, said she'd only eat fresh, unprocessed food if she ever got cancer. I therefore got reading. Some stuff is basic, like the list of 'permitted EC additives' that is often found in dog food from the supermarket, bad, avoid.
What the manufacturer calls meat, unless named, is not generally of good quality.
What the manufacturer calls meat, unless named, is not generally of good quality.
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kirstyl
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Funnily enough, mine came from Leeds Dogs Trust very nearly two years ago and also didn't like Arden Grange! We now feed Naturediet once a day and at the other end of the day she has cooked potato or brown rice, grated carrot or other raw veg with sardines in oil or tomato. Our butcher is fantastic and provides us with rib bones every week which she loves. She will also eat raw, it really depends what we have in. She has never been partiularly keen on chicken wings - she likes them far more when they are stinking but I strangely don't!
misterjinglejay
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Research, research and more research - lots of talking to breeders of sleddogs, in my case, and studying labels.
Raw, IMO, is definitely the way to go.
Oberon, you are absolutely right - our local butcher charges £6 for a 15kg box of chook carcases (about 70 carcases), and all the 'extras' we get free.
Butchers day is always fun in our house - opening the 'extras' sack to see what we've got - could be hearts, liver, bones, anything. Last week we had 7 lambs heart, ox lung and liver, ribs, assorted beef and pork offcuts, and holy of holies - tripe!!! All free
Love our butcher - he's top!
Raw, IMO, is definitely the way to go.
Oberon, you are absolutely right - our local butcher charges £6 for a 15kg box of chook carcases (about 70 carcases), and all the 'extras' we get free.
Butchers day is always fun in our house - opening the 'extras' sack to see what we've got - could be hearts, liver, bones, anything. Last week we had 7 lambs heart, ox lung and liver, ribs, assorted beef and pork offcuts, and holy of holies - tripe!!! All free
Love our butcher - he's top!
ladylisa
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Having found this post the other day, and having fed Dr Johns silver for a number of years, alarm bells have started ringing for me as i lost my 6 year old weimaraner bitch last year to stomach cancer.
I have been researching dog food and trying to find a supplier in my area, and i must say i am really struggling, i can not afford to pay silly money!
Would like to feed Skinners but cant find a supplier !!
So what do you all think about Wonderdog????
I have been researching dog food and trying to find a supplier in my area, and i must say i am really struggling, i can not afford to pay silly money!
Would like to feed Skinners but cant find a supplier !!
So what do you all think about Wonderdog????
haycroft
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My two are fed mainly on redmills ( less than £15 per 15 kg bag depending on % of protein ) , I do try to feed raw as much as i can though , depending what i can get
would never feed bakers .. It looks yuk
would never feed bakers .. It looks yuk
Cinnamontoast
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Have a scout online for a decent supplier. You can often get it for less if you buy in bulk.
touchstone
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This is where I get mine from.
Alec Swan
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To the original question; I've never used Bakers, so have no opinion, but I've used DJ's Silver, for the last 12 years, and have been entirely happy with it, but I should add that kitchen and table scraps are also added. Scraps that would include chicken carcasses, the excess gravy from Sunday roasts, digestible vegetables (such as they are) and, with the exception of pork bones, what ever seems edible!!
With additives and help, I've reared puppies on DJ's!
Alec.
With additives and help, I've reared puppies on DJ's!
Alec.
Oberon
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I was feeding kibble last year...£12 for a sack from the local feed supplier....and hubby would get a box of Bakers from the corner shop when we ran out and I was working.....
But I got fed up with watching Salem scratch all the time and see his raw skin.
So I started on here and asked questions.
I've been feeding Raw since June now.
I'd tried a Barf diet for my old girl, many years ago...but it made her ill. Now I know it was because I didn't do the research and I went too fast, too soon.
mblynch2u
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I bought the Dr John's food thinking it was a good one. Now I'm 90% sure it caused the persistent vomiting with my dog. I didn't immediately think it was the food as my dog has been sick before but nothing like this. By the 4rd morning I decided to bring him to the vet. He had nothing to eat that morning as I knew he would need sedation to have bloods done & to be examined. Bloods were fine thankfully but his heart dropped too low ( he has early stage heart failure. Lifted him to his bed when we got home & gave him some small bits of chicken later. The next day he had small meals of chicken with some veg. No vomiting. This morning I gave some of the Dr John's food as i had nothing else & 6 hours later he was vomiting ( undigested food). I'll start cooking his meals from now on & see if he begins vomiting again ( I doubt he will though) but that bag of dog food is now in the bin. Please no harsh comments, I'm absolutely devastated that he could have been sick because of something I bought.
Cinnamontoast
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Some dogs have stronger reactions to food, some are very allergic to chicken, for example, others don’t tolerate grain well. Nobody is going to be harsh. I’m very keen on raw feeding, but others encounter major skin issues with it. It’s very individual. You fed what you thought was decent, possibly not a great food for your dog. Some people (including me) swear by a certain type, others wouldn’t feed it if it were the only thing available. I hope your dog is coping ok.
CorvusCorax
'Do you come here often?'
Some dogs have stronger reactions to food, some are very allergic to chicken, for example, others don’t tolerate grain well. Nobody is going to be harsh. I’m very keen on raw feeding, but others encounter major skin issues with it. It’s very individual. You fed what you thought was decent, possibly not a great food for your dog. Some people (including me) swear by a certain type, others wouldn’t feed it if it were the only thing available. I hope your dog is coping ok.
I think some folks have become...less harsh...in the 13 years since this thread started
suebou
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All our working dogs have been on dr John forever. They have all lived long lives, worked hard and been healthy according to vets. Probably about 30 all together ( we’re very old) over 50 years.