Where do I stand?

Ok so MrsJingle do you not understand how bad I feel?

Ok so I was gifted the pony when I was in a bad place and told that you know if work with her and get her back to health then I'll forget about everything else and it worked.
So once the pony was broken and back to a good weight ect my mum wanted to come out riding with me so after looking around my trainer found one that was perfect and he was ok for the first few months then one day I was riding him along a quite road when a car sped up behind us and spooked him, he reared and crushed me, then he took off and tried to jump a stone wall but he failed and broke his leg and thats my fault because I was supposed to wait for a friend to come with me but because I had an appointment to go and see someones horse that I couldn't cancel I decided to go out earlier and he's dead because I couldn't just wait.

Because of that incident I didn't want to ride again, ever. So I might as well not ride again because I obviously don't deserve to even look at a horse because I'm such a terrible person. I will admit that I regret taking to broodmare but I regret a lot of things and I'd rather die than see my pony in pain again and I've tried everything but how do I get my mum to take her back
 
I don't think you'd have had half the comments if you'd put your age on the original post, we assume on here that most are adults, and what you posted from an adult is a worry. I understand that as a 15 year old you do not have the control over the situation you'd like to have. As I said show your parents the link I posted previously and that as the owners they are deemed responsible under law. The only way therefore to resolve it is to either release ownership to these people, not ideal when they are riding a lame pony but if your parents opted for this, you could always then inform a welfare charity about the situation afterwards? And then sell on the mare you have, if she's been used as a broodie, has she got good breeding or produced good foals of note to help sell her? Or just swop back?
 
In response to your original question op, theoretically you could swap back and then your mother could sue the current keepers of your pony for the difference in its value before and after the swap. But that is quite complex legally and you be unlikely to be successful. However, if the woman doesn't wan to swap back there is very little you or your family can do to make her - you didn't loan your pony out you swapped it for another one. Unless of course you have a written agreement with her that if either party is unhappy then the other must agree to swap back at any time, but it doesn't sound like you do.
Passports are not proof of ownership, but certain passport issuing organisations (such as) will officially change the owner's details, which requires the passport to be sent to them to do so. This type of passport can be used as evidence of ownership in a court case, but it is not proof and is far from concrete.
So really your only options are to negotiate with the owner of the broodmare (or new owner of your pony) to swap back or simply go and take your pony back and drop off the broodmare.

In short, she's got you over a barrel and it was a very silly thing to do in the first place, but this is a truly horrible way to learn a life lesson and your parent/grandparent should have been far wiser. :(
 
Go to your parents your dad may be tell him how you feel you are afraid of the fresian you think it will harm you and yes I hate to say it it's not a good life lesson but cry.
Good luck.
 
Sighs loudly to the sound of huge disapproval from other forum members. Ok OP all the background story that is now so predictably coming out is heartbreaking etc. etc. I regret that experience has taught me nothing by cynicism for this type of thread? Your aggressive response and tales of self pitying woe is also the usual pattern on these emotive threads.

I hope that I am absolutely wrong about my gut feeling, for the sake of both horses and the sad situation they find themselves in through no fault of their own. Where is the pity and concern for both the pony and the poor old brood mare that are at the heart of this thread?
 
I didn't particularly want to swap in the first place but everyone thought it was a good idea including the trainer because I needed a bigger horse so I kind of just went along with it because thats what people thought was best for me. I thinks its kind of stupid that I can't tell my family what I want to do also I've tried crying and saying that I'm scared of her but I just get shouted at because 'I can't be scared of horses'
 
MrsJingle said:
Sighs loudly to the sound of huge disapproval from other forum members. Ok OP all the background story that is now so predictably coming out is heartbreaking etc. etc. I regret that experience has taught me nothing by cynicism for this type of thread? Your aggressive response and tales of self pitying woe is also the usual pattern on these emotive threads.

I hope that I am absolutely wrong about my gut feeling, for the sake of both horses and the sad situation they find themselves in through no fault of their own. Where is the pity and concern for both the pony and the poor old brood mare that are at the heart of this thread?
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This ^^ over and over, I dont care if i come across as nasty or not showing sympathy if i was you OP i would be sticking my neck on the line to get that pony back. And at 17, Im no adult
 
tessybear said:
This ^^ over and over, I dont care if i come across as nasty or not showing sympathy if i was you OP i would be sticking my neck on the line to get that pony back. And at 17, Im no adult
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agree with these two posts!

I don't normally get involved or post mean comments but I need to express that if this is a Real post then, leaving a pony in a home like that is unacceptable!

Also not sure why someones parents would rather them have a horse that kicked them in a stable than a poor little pony that has been made lame by someone else!

if this is real life then I am shocked and disgusted!

and for the record I didn't even think it was a troll post until others suggested it!
 
You need an adult to be on your side. To explain in no uncertain terms what the situation is all about. Your parents and GrandFather are being unreasonable.

YOUR pony is LAME ant the other person is continueing to ride it. NO WAY would I allow this

What will your family do if you get your pony back and send the other horse back.

The situation is not working and it should revert to that prior to the swop.
 
Yes I broke her in when I was 10 but she was being kept at a breakers yard and he had me under constant supervision while I was working with her and if I did anything wrong he'd step in and help.

As stated before I would walk the pony home if I could but there is a cattle grid over the front entrance of the farm she is stabled at so walking her out would be irresponsible as she'd injure herself even more, my family doesn't have a horse trailer so walking her is the only option
 
Ok well this woman had an old mare that she let me ride as the riding school I went to was the same thing every week and I wasn't learning anything so my mum, who has been friends with her for a while, asked if I could ride with her. So in exchange for riding lessons I helped her with her youngsters who she was backing and getting ready to sell on and I was really interested in learning to handle and break horses so we managed to get in contact with a professional breaker but he didn't want to let me loose on his clients horses so he said that if I got my own pony to break her would show me what to do with her.

There we go, if you think I'm lying then that's fine because I know the truth
 
Oh well my trainer just said that if she was a broodmare then she probably hasn't been a stable very much, I've tried to make it a nice place for her but its not really working. I tried grooming her and feeding her in there but when I was grooming her she crushed me against the wall so my trainer told me to tie her up but that just made her rear so now I have to have someone hold her head when ever I do anything with her
 
SaskiasGirl said:
Ok well this woman had an old mare that she let me ride as the riding school I went to was the same thing every week and I wasn't learning anything so my mum, who has been friends with her for a while, asked if I could ride with her. So in exchange for riding lessons I helped her with her youngsters who she was backing and getting ready to sell on and I was really interested in learning to handle and break horses so we managed to get in contact with a professional breaker but he didn't want to let me loose on his clients horses so he said that if I got my own pony to break her would show me what to do with her.

There we go, if you think I'm lying then that's fine because I know the truth
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This went in one ear and out of the other :confused::o Just focus on getting YOUR horse home, safe and cared for. Bring your parents to see this thread, if that fails your grandad who sounds like he has some horse knowledge? Failing that i would have begged, borrowed or stolen a trailor to pick up horse. How did you get him there ?
 
SaskiasGirl said:
Yes I broke her in when I was 10 but she was being kept at a breakers yard and he had me under constant supervision while I was working with her and if I did anything wrong he'd step in and help.

As stated before I would walk the pony home if I could but there is a cattle grid over the front entrance of the farm she is stabled at so walking her out would be irresponsible as she'd injure herself even more, my family doesn't have a horse trailer so walking her is the only option
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Surely they have an equestrian access - conventionally people put a pedestrian gate to the side of a cattle grid. If not then take a sheet of plywood to walk the pony over.
 
My grandad doesn't have much horse knowledge.
The woman picked the pony up in a trailer and there is no equestrian access because no one hacks the horses out, they only school them for competitions or something. Plywood is a good idea :)
 
It's not a livery yard its a farm and there is not foot access because of the cows. There are 4 stables and 2 fields for horses next to the house
 
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