Where have all the buyers gone?

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Snowfilly said:
One shred of anecedotal evidence coming up - my work is mainly funded by EU programmes, especially the European Social Fund, and I am not buying my decent showjumper / all rounder until I've got the faintest idea what's happening to my contract next year and preferably the year after. And my colleague is holding off buying her next riding club horse for the same reason. So fewer buyers - less demand - lower prices.

So that's 2 people not buying from one small company. I'm sure there's others, probably on this website. I'm sure at top end it won't affect so much mind.
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you aren't the only one-am in a sector that will be massively affected and am so doing what hollyandivy said (and tbf they also stated other reasons), saving more and not taking on more responsibility until I know whats happening with contracts-same goes for my OH who is in a totally different sector and its the main reason I am avoiding looking at Fell youngstock. I'd also not be taking on anything that requires a load of feeding over the winter right now either.
 
ester said:
I have a lovely section D who in a lot of ways isn't terribly welsh at all but even from him I can understand why people aren't keen ;).

Can't say that I think that the good ones with any sort of record are particularly lower priced than the other breed alternatives though.
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It’s a bit like chestnut mares.
They come with a bit of a reputation, but the good ones are really quite good!
 
Saying that my rather anti welsh, pro new forest friend now has 4 welshies....

I think pairs DTM with one of her foresters rather highlighted the difference, her then 6yo saint of a forester did everything asked of him while Frank threw his toys out of the pram and jogged next to him...
 
ester said:
Saying that my rather anti welsh, pro new forest friend now has 4 welshies....

I think pairs DTM with one of her foresters rather highlighted the difference, her then 6yo saint of a forester did everything asked of him while Frank threw his toys out of the pram and jogged next to him...
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I took my <12 months backed to a riding club poles clinic last night, he proceeded to behave impeccably, and was asked by the GP trainer if he was German! I took that as a compliment
 
I agree with the others, i'd expect an allrounder to be able to do a good prelim test and possibly not be disgraced in a novice test.
If he is sharp off your leg and not all that educated then most people wont feel safe on him and those with the feel/knowlege to know its a lack of education will generaly want something up and running at his age, not having to school the basics.

For the welshies I strongly believe that you either "get" welshies or you don't.
I'm one that loves them, currently have a section C who is amazing on the flat but gets his legs in a knot jumping anything over 80cm's.
I also showed a beautiful section D for a while and whilst he was amazing and I had fabulous fun on him, you had to understand his "welsh" ways.

Tbh I find that whilst welshies are sharp (I love sharp horses) they are also a lot of fun and tbh most spooking seems to consist of "If I snort hard enough it will go away".

anyway I'm off to ride my welshie!
 
ihatework said:
I took my <12 months backed to a riding club poles clinic last night, he proceeded to behave impeccably, and was asked by the GP trainer if he was German! I took that as a compliment
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I think he thoroughly inherited the all round good egg side.

blodwyn, there will always be people that positively want them for what they are, I still can't quite imagine having something else though having Frank in the first place was fluke really and being drawn back! So the right person will rock up :D
 
All you need is one buyer! I need a competent calm rider who wants to do dressage and showing for my D. The op sounds like she needs someone who wants to do happy hacking!
 
ihatework said:
It&#8217;s a bit like chestnut mares.
They come with a bit of a reputation, but the good ones are really quite good!
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Haha yes I ignored all the Ds and ended up with a chestnut mare instead! Out of the frying pan.... But to be fair Amber is fab so I can put up with the odd strop.
 
Sorry if Ive missed this on any of your replies but my immediate thought was price?? I know we cant advertise on here, so dont have a clue how much he is but Im presuming to have reduced your price by £800 means he isnt a cheap horse. He sounds like a great horse for a competant sensible teenager or young adult to have fun with but just wondered whether he is perhaps a bit expensive for what hes done. No offence meant at all, as we dont know his price or full details
 
Ambers Echo said:
Haha yes I ignored all the Ds and ended up with a chestnut mare instead! Out of the frying pan.... But to be fair Amber is fab so I can put up with the odd strop.
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Awwww the chestnut mare thing is a load of cobblers too! I have 2 and one is Welsh :D wouldn't change her for the world (well, maybe I'd make HER 15hh!)

Joking aside , and a bit off topic ;) I think a lot of the time horses feed off what your preconceived ideas about them are. If you think a horse is going to be a spooky idiot, then it will be, cos you're giving off those vibes. If you think mares are horrible, then that will be your experience of them. If you think Ds are a nightmare, then they are.
If you think every horse is an individual, and accept it for who it is, then most of them are jolly good eggs :)

Good luck OP, I agree it sounds like all-rounder is over-selling his experience a little but I definitely think there are people looking for nice forward thinking hacking horses that can do a bit of other stuff, and 15hh is a versatile height for teens and smaller adults.
 
Thank you for all of the replies. As he is not mine to sell, I do have to price him with what the owner wants for him. He was a bit expensive before but now reduced I think he’s worth it - you can’t put a price on safety and I think as we had an ambulance pass us the other week with it’s siren going you can certainly say he is worth his weight in gold. He would be capable of doing a prelim test, he knows his canter leads and has schooled enough to be able to do reasonable circles etc. He jumps small cross country fences but probably currently only up to about 2ft. He’d be more happy popping logs on hacks etc then jumping religiously I feel. Maybe you are right that he is not everybody’s idea of an all rounder but he does do a bit of everything - it’s more he needs the right kind of rider.
 
spotty_pony said:
Thank you for all of the replies. As he is not mine to sell, I do have to price him with what the owner wants for him. He was a bit expensive before but now reduced I think he&#8217;s worth it - you can&#8217;t put a price on safety and I think as we had an ambulance pass us the other week with it&#8217;s siren going you can certainly say he is worth his weight in gold. He would be capable of doing a prelim test, he knows his canter leads and has schooled enough to be able to do reasonable circles etc. He jumps small cross country fences but probably currently only up to about 2ft. He&#8217;d be more happy popping logs on hacks etc then jumping religiously I feel. Maybe you are right that he is not everybody&#8217;s idea of an all rounder but he does do a bit of everything - it&#8217;s more he needs the right kind of rider.
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tbh he is what I would think of as a good all rounder and sounds exactly what I was looking for a year ago. When I see 'all rounder' I personally don't think of novice tests or RC type stuff because it means nothing to me, its not anything I would want to do. I do want to know it'll cross a burn, clamber/hop over a log, cope with old forestry and not have a meltdown over farm machinery, being ridden alone or in company and maybe want to do a bit of trec or endurance. good luck!
 
MotherOfChickens said:
tbh he is what I would think of as a good all rounder and sounds exactly what I was looking for a year ago. When I see 'all rounder' I personally don't think of novice tests or RC type stuff because it means nothing to me, its not anything I would want to do. I do want to know it'll cross a burn, clamber/hop over a log, cope with old forestry and not have a meltdown over farm machinery, being ridden alone or in company and maybe want to do a bit of trec or endurance. good luck!
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I'm with you there, my expectations are safe, sane and 4 sound legs for the term 'allrounder', if I wanted a goood RC horse I would be looking for an ad that said that.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
tbh he is what I would think of as a good all rounder and sounds exactly what I was looking for a year ago. When I see 'all rounder' I personally don't think of novice tests or RC type stuff because it means nothing to me, its not anything I would want to do. I do want to know it'll cross a burn, clamber/hop over a log, cope with old forestry and not have a meltdown over farm machinery, being ridden alone or in company and maybe want to do a bit of trec or endurance. good luck!
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Clodagh said:
I'm with you there, my expectations are safe, sane and 4 sound legs for the term 'allrounder', if I wanted a goood RC horse I would be looking for an ad that said that.
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Same here.

For me allrounder means can pop a few jumps, walk, trot and canter sensibly and hacks alone and in company without being a spooky sod.
 
spotty_pony said:
The horse market just seems to have fallen flat at the moment. I have a lovely 15 hands all rounder for sale on behalf of his owner and nobody is interested! I have had three viewers who were all timewasters and were better suited to a rocking horse.. and I’ve just dropped the price by £800 and still had no interest. Anyone else having trouble?
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We are pouring as much extra money as we can get away with into high interest savings accounts to afford a house with land to buy said 15hh allrounder as well as keep the retired one in the life to which he has become accustomed to &#128514; or at least I am!
 
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