Why are hunters so impolite?

[zigzagzig]

Someone once said something along the lines of: "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll back you to the hilt in your right to say it." This, in a nutshell, encapsulates the antis' position. We are kind, tolerant folk and like nothing better than to engage in good-natured banter with our opponents.

Our opponents, however, have a different agenda. Peruse the threads on this forum and you'll quickly encounter unpleasant, bad-tempered, intolerant language, the vast majority of it being "hunter" in origin.

What's happened to good old-fashioned courtesy and politeness? If this forum had a swear box, several hunts would go bankrupt. It's all rather sad.

 

[Nailed]

Shame thats antis were not kind and wanting banter when they ripped a bit through my friends horses mouth.. Or sprayed peper spray in a hounds eyes...

Animal lovers my arse.

Also, I find it quite funny that both of the anti hunt posts on here today seem to think that this whole forum revolves around hunting.. when it does not!

Lou x

 

[Hebegebe]

What do you mean by 'hunter'?

 

[gigs]

Agree with Nailed many years ago my horse was hit over the head with a banner which read anti cruelty to animals !!
If you want an example of polite well behaved protesters I can think of no better example that the countryside alliance march through London .

 

[JenHunt]

agree with gigs...

also - isn't it strange that that day, nearly 500 people turned up to protest about something, closed down half of the london traffic system and left the place tidier than they found it!

but - this week with the G20 summit the place was more or less held to ransom and involved much more 'proactive' policing! and all for only a handful of people by comparison!

protest for the sake of protest? or protest to protect a way of life?

 

[lastrebel]

Arrogance, in a nutshell they think they are better than us.
Strange how face to face they come across very different.

 

[Hebegebe]

I have to admit I think I probably am better than you

 

[lastrebel]

Ok, ellaborate. Why are you better than me.

Are we talking academically, morally, physically ?.

 

[zigzagzig]

Giles, I think we'd all appreciate it if you didn't resort to personal insults in this thread.

 

[zigzagzig]

"also - isn't it strange that that day, nearly 500 people turned up to protest about something, closed down half of the london traffic system and left the place tidier than they found it!"

Remember the hunters' demonstration in Parliament Square? Hunters attacked police (including women) with sticks, bottles and fireworks. Disgusting!

 

[Eagle_day]

Remember the hunters' demonstration in Parliament Square? Hunters attacked police (including women) with sticks, bottles and fireworks. Disgusting!

Really, where you there? Or perhaps you read it on the internet, so it must be true.

Or perhaps we saw the Meteropolitan Police's crowd control methods for real in the video footage obtained by the Guardian yesterday?

 

[Scratchline]

Shame thats antis were not kind and wanting banter when they ripped a bit through my friends horses mouth.. Or sprayed peper spray in a hounds eyes...

Animal lovers my arse. ?????

Are you seriously suggesting that posters on this forum have been involved in such abhorant activity? If so, perhaps you should name and shame them rather than emotional outbursts against those entering fair discussion on certain subjects without such added tarring with one brush!


Also, I find it quite funny that both of the anti hunt posts on here today seem to think that this whole forum revolves around hunting.. when it does not!

Lou x

Just as some of us find it funny on a daily basis being told we shouldnt post here because it only is a HUNTING forum, when obviously it isnt and you have made that clear. Perhaps you could point that out to those involved ))

 

[Scratchline]

Agree with Nailed many years ago my horse was hit over the head with a banner which read anti cruelty to animals !!
If you want an example of polite well behaved protesters I can think of no better example that the countryside alliance march through London .

The thread is about behaviour on this forum. If you can manage to post along those lines in future it will help the discussion. Thankyou for your time )

 

[combat_claire]

Having been at most of the London demonstrations for hunting since 2002 I can verify what Eagle_Day says as to the extreme tactics used by the Police. The people who went there that day were unarmed, yet many who were unfortunate enough to find themselves at the front of the railings, including friends of mine ended up in hospital after being hit hard by batons, so hard that it cracked open faces and required stitching.

Thankfully I was in the middle of the Square, but it was a terrifying experience. As we tried to get home, strangers to London streets the Police were closing off exits and giving no guidance as to how we might disperse to the pick up points. Luckily I had chucked a map in my backpack.

Recent footage of demonstrations at G20 & by the Tamils has raised serious questions over policing methods.

 

[Hebegebe]

Ok, ellaborate. Why are you better than me.

Are we talking academically, morally, physically ?.

certainly in terms of intelligence and morals , i have no idea of physically or academically, post a pic and qualifications if you want and I will judge.

 

[silverbreeze]

Behaviour is something in general that goes along with a person; how they behave on a forum would generally be how they would behave in real life and vice versa.. Thoughts may be a little more planned rather than reactionary but I believe that Nailed is merely pointing out that the antis are as aggressive and rude as they claim the 'hunters' to be.
Do you honestly think that picking fault with each post is going to solve this on going battle?
Perhaps the antis on here should put their time into putting valid arguments across and we shall meet them with valid counter arguments.. This will never stop, the argument will always go on and so will the hunting; is there not enough hate and violence out there on the news to satisfy our needs to feel angry.. lets all make the effort to be calm about our opinions (not always easy I know) this sort of environment affords us the time to take a breath and count to ten then respond.
We don't have to like each other but lets try and communicate in a way that we all put our points across properly.
I am new to this forum and haven't yet waided through what is obviously an ongoing battle, this is purely an on the surface POV, I have never (on and off this forum) been given a valid reason by any anti hunt supporter for me to think it should be banned... And no, I am not an active hunter, I have taken my youngsters out a few times to get them going forward and I still manage to sleep at night.
Just an after thought; do any anti hunt supporters that are on here actively support any other forms of anti animal cruelty campaigns?

 

[lastrebel]

Hebegebe,

Your very annoying.
In terms of intelligence I'm not so sure, did it not take you about 50 posts to explain what you actually do with regards to flushing and still no one really understood what you were trying to say. In terms of morals. I dont kill so thats the first commandment covered, I think that gives me a distinct edge over you.

 

[weebarney]

Just an after thought; do any anti hunt supporters that are on here actively support any other forms of anti animal cruelty campaigns?

Yes, i do. You will find that most people who detest foxhunting also dislike all other forms of animal cruelty.

 

[silverbreeze]

I don't just mean dislike... there are many forms of animal cruelty that most, if not all people on this forum dislike.. I meant, do any of you ACTIVELY support and protest with the campaign and raise money, voice your opinions etc? i.e. (first one off top pf my head) dancing bears in India.

 

[weebarney]

I don't just mean dislike... there are many forms of animal cruelty that most, if not all people on this forum dislike.. I meant, do any of you ACTIVELY support and protest with the campaign and raise money, voice your opinions etc? i.e. (first one off top pf my head) dancing bears in India.

I do actively support charities who try to stop animal cruelty. Although i dont see what difference that makes as a lot of people who are anti hunting dont neccessarily actively do anything about it if you know what i mean, they are just anti hunt and do not support it.

 

[silverbreeze]

I was just asking as I think some people engage in anti hunt protest as they want something to protest about and due to the media exposure of this paticular cause and the 'class' wars surrounding it, they feel it is a good one to join in with. Don't jump on that comment as I am not saying this applies to you; i just strongly feel that these sorts of protestors cause harm to the people that really, truly feel very strongly about hunting foxes. I just get the impression that some of the anti hunt post (again, not directed at anyone in particular) on here come across as arguing for arguments sake. This is why I keep asking for justification of comments but I am not getting any... i like to understand all peoples points of view but find that in everyday life as well as here, not everyone knows why they have a specific point of view as they are echoing the views of others rather than investigating all situations and drwing their own conclusions.

 

[silverbreeze]

[/quote]
I do actively support charities who try to stop animal cruelty. Although i dont see what difference that makes as a lot of people who are anti hunting dont neccessarily actively do anything about it if you know what i mean, they are just anti hunt and do not support it. [/quote]

I know plenty of people who don't actively do anything about stuff but disagree with it.. I was talking about those that actively protest against hunting and wondered if they actively protested about any other causes.. Simply trying to guage their stance on animal rights in general or if it is just this cause that they are passionate about.. and why this over others?.. interested, not provoking an argument btw.

 

[lastrebel]

Silverbreeze, I have direct debits set up for IFAW and The Starlight Foundation, I also support the Dogs Trust where possible.
My main issue is people don't openly and publicly condone, support or participate in other forms of animal, child, spouse ect abuse in my back garden. If they did, then I would be just as vocal or direct in my potests.
I honestly believe I can put forward a rational counter arguement to anything the Pro lobby offers,(based on experience, not something I have read). I just don't believe that people who read these forums are likly to change their opinion on Hunting.
With regards to taking your children hunting, thats fine but in the world we now live and violence that surrounds us do you think you are setting a good example to them (I'm not judging you). It must be hard to say bullying is wrong, cruelty is wrong, dont carry knives, but its ok to watch an an animal being torn apart by a pack of hounds. the spectacle is no different to football violence as a crowd kick a rival supporter on the floor, its pack mentality, blood lust and not very plesant especially for young children.

 

[MontyandZoom]

I really think that everyone should stop generalising. What is a 'hunter'?! i have been out hunting twice this season as a newcomer and i loved it. Am i therefore a monacle-wearing toff with a stick up my arse and a country pile and by definition impolite?!

Conversely, there were sabs on one of my only two hunts who shouted the C word at me and banged sticks on the floor to spook my pony before laughing at her for having one eye. Does that mean that every person who is anti-hunting is a balaclava wearing thug who peppersprays hounds?!

You can only draw on your own experience but i am thankfully not so narrow-minded as to tar everyone with the same brush. By using sweeping statements and petty insults people on here do nothing to improve peoples' perceptions of either side. Maybe this discussion should be better used to understand the people who hunt and their reasons and conversely the antis' point of view.

 

[lastrebel]

Not all balaclava wearing thugs pepper spray hounds,
Or purposefully try to hurt the horses.
I find it hard to believe they would but as several people on here have mentioned it then I guess it has happend.
One of the reasons that a few antis use violence and intimidation is because animals are actually being killed there and then. From an Anti point of view its very hard to try to do anything else other than resort to direct action, when your there and its happening in front of you. I know its not right but what choice is there.

 

[combat_claire]

The vast majority of people on this forum manage to be civil to each other. I wouldn't say that those of an anti-hunting persuasion are entirely immune from the uncouth behaviour, just consider how many postings had to be removed from the Trevor Morse thread.

 

[silverbreeze]

That is what I was looking for. I would like to understand exactly why people are opposed to the 'sport'. As far as exposure to violence goes though, I think that hunting is one of the lesser things for a parent to concern themselves with as there is far more human on human blatant violence on our telly's, computer consoles etc everyday.

[\quote] I just don't believe that people who read these forums are likly to change their opinion on Hunting. [\quote]

Does that thought make you think that you shouldn't explain yourself? Why else would you be on here; don't you think that your opinions would be a little more valued if the pro party understood where they were coming from?

That isn't meant to sound as upity as it comes across btw, it is a genuine question.

 

[silverbreeze]

Exactly my point.. well said

 

[MontyandZoom]

One of the reasons that a few antis use violence and intimidation is because animals are actually being killed there and then. From an Anti point of view its very hard to try to do anything else other than resort to direct action, when your there and its happening in front of you. I know its not right but what choice is there.

But on the hunts i went on there were no marksmen or threat to foxes, it was just a bunch of people on horses galloping around. I don't see where there was any need for the language and behaviour that I witnessed. I found the whole thing completely upsetting and was worried for the safety of my horse with people popping out of bushes to frighten her.

My question is, where there has been little evidence that would stand up in court to suggest illegal hunting (although i am by no means the most knowledgable person about hunting convictions) why do the antis still continue this behaviour. Surely they have already got what they want so why spoil it for people like me, someone who has never been on a 'proper' hunt?

 

[weebarney]

I'm guessing from your post you were on a drag hunt, if thats the case and everything was above board i would say violence and abuse could not be justified. But on the other hand their are probably some hunts that continue ilegal activites that some of the mounted followers are not even aware of.