Why are hunters so impolite?

[MontyandZoom]

It wasn't a drag hunt, trail hunting with a pack that still hunts under exemptions (although I don't really know what the difference is, feel free to enlighten me). It was a special newcomers hunt so it was more about showing us what it was all about. I thought that since there was no marksmen, they wouldn't be hunting foxes in this instance (plus, my lack of brakes meant I was up front all day so reckon I would have noticed if they were actually hunting). The master spoke alot about the ban and the old way of hunting. It was very interesting.

It's a shame since that is my only experience of hunting folk and sabs........the hunting folk were welcoming and lovely..........and the sabs were frankly knobs. Although as I said above I am not of the opinion that they are all like that.

 

[weebarney]

when i say drag hunt i meant when they drag a scent of a dead fox around before hand which is within the law but trail hunting is probably the proper word for it.

 

[zigzagzig]

- "Having been at most of the London demonstrations for hunting since 2002 I can verify what Eagle_Day says as to the extreme tactics used by the Police."

Let's stop bashing the police, literally and metaphorically. They have a tough job.

- "The people who went there that day were unarmed"

Apart from bottles, whips and fireworks.

-"yet many who were unfortunate enough to find themselves at the front of the railings"

You mean the well-oiled thugs who were hurling abuse (and worse!) at the police?

- "Thankfully I was in the middle of the Square, but it was a terrifying experience."

I'm sorry, I just don't believe it was "terrifying". If hundreds of hunters get bevvied up and start playing up outside Parliament the police have a duty to respond.

Let's not forget, of course, that while this was hapening, the hooray henries were storming the Commons. They should have been sent to prison for a minimum of five years.

 

[MontyandZoom]

Were you actually there ZigZag? if so then fair enough but if not then it would seem my comments about not making sweeping generalisations have fallen on deaf ears.

 

[combat_claire]

Once again you seem to think that you are the best qualified person to decide what I was thinking or feeling at a given time. Let us not forget that it was me, not you that was in that situation and I rather think I am best placed to describe how I felt.

I was terrified end of story, it doesn't really matter who you consider was to blame for the incident, being stuck in the middle of it is frightening.

I don't disagree that the police have a tough job, but that doesn't justify the use of excessive violence, that is my opinion no matter what the demonstration - I was horrified by the video footage from G20 and I disagree firmly with their tactics to break up the Tamil protest this week.

The vast majority of people who were there were unarmed and defenceless against the police batons. I didn't see any fireworks going off, nor did I see anyone carrying or using hunting whips. What I did see was people staggering past me with blood pouring from their scalps.

One of my friends who most certainly wasn't well oiled as you seem to think, had turned away to obey the police instructions and was then violently pushed to the floor by a police officer. The officer's colleague apologised and said his colleague had seen 'the red mist' - if they can't control their emotions then I suggest they should be removed from frontline policing duties before they seriously injure or kill someone.

If the police were truly blameless as you say, can you explain to me why they took their identity badge numbers from their uniform or why the batons were all handed in and mixed up before they could be put away as potential evidence??

Under what law would you have liked to have seen them prosecuted? They were tried in a court of law and an appropriate verdict reached. I don't agree with what they did, but it certainly had an impact.

 

[Scratchline]

Interesting posts ) Personally I am fully involved in certain types of hunting and pest control. I am only against hunting with hounds as was legal before this ban.
IMO there is absolutely no reason to allow people to chase a terrified wild animal over many, many miles of countryside. It is cruel and barbaric. Man is fully able to carry out pest control in far more humane and less 'dragged out',ways.

 

[zigzagzig]

Let's turn our backs on the victim culture and take responsibility for our actions.

If you belt a policeman (or woman) with a stick, you'll probably get a baton in your mush. In France they'd shoot you.

 

[JenHunt]

IMO there is absolutely no reason to allow people to chase a terrified wild animal over many, many miles of countryside. It is cruel and barbaric.

In 20+ years of hunting i have never seen this happen...

for one thing it tends to be hounds chasing foxes rather than people. ;-p

for another it tends to be over 300yards at most not many many miles....

how is a hound chasing a fox any more cruel or barbaric than a fox chasing a rabbit, or a wolf chasing a deer, or a lion chasing a gazelle?

 

[Tinkerbee]

My wellies have never said a rude word to me. You must have a dodgy pair

 

[Grey_Eventer]

oh so when me and my friends horses were nearly slashed by some god knows what, but the huntsmen protected himself and therefore he got slashed and so did his horse, leaving a gaping gash in his leg and his horses side.. those anits were being "kind, toleratn folk" ???? i really dont think so....
and when some anits decided theyd take photos of me as an 11 year old, you were being "kind, tolerant folk" and when antis decided to spray the hounds noses, they were being "kind, tolerant folk"??? and when you played a track sounding like some hounds, so you would distract the huntsmen and the hounds you were being "kind, tolerant folk"???
what kind of world are you living on????
hunting people, are on the whole very curtious, kind and always aware that there are other users of the countryside and roads, of course there are exceptions, but there are no exceptions to antis, where ever they go they cause trouble...
they are continuosly tresspassing....
we as the hunters have never interupted and ruined your lives, nothing like what you have done to us... how is that beeing "kind, tolerant folk"????
surely if you were tolerant you would tolerate what we are doing and not go out to attack and disrupt what otherwise is an enjoyable, peaceful day out...?
and about our protest, i think you have the facts wrong, did you not watch the TV, i could see people being hit over the head by the POlICE with batons, leaving gashes in their heads.... i wasnt allowed to go because my parents knew the police would react like this...please explain why my dad came back with a gash in his head from being hit over the head with a baton?? please explain that to me, as it certainly was not other pro hunters!
we are not the disgusting ones, you are, you interupted are otherwise happy lives, you went out of your way to cause trouble...
i will always be pro-hunting, i am 15years old, but it is a way of life for me... it is not cruel, the facts for the amount of foxes hunts chase, to the amount of foxes killed are that very few foxes are killed......
hunting shall continue, we will keep going out and hunting within the law, you will never fully ban hunting, and hunting shall be resumed as normal, one day, it shall... once this contry has come to its senses, it will!
Keep Hunting!

 

[lastrebel]

Scratchline "Personally I am fully involved in certain types of hunting and pest control.

can we know more.

 

[lastrebel]

Jen

is that a serious question.
thats like comparing a nazi in a concetration camp to a fox in a chicken coop.

we are humans (not all of us act like it) so we are supposed to know right from wrong, have morals and social awareness.

oh and why not get an eye test.

 

[Grey_Eventer]

just read one of your posts zigzagzig... so now my father is a thug... yes of course, a man who goes to work in london everday, has 2 children, a wife, 2 gods and 5 hroses, who dresses in a suit for work, and wears generally smart clothing is a thug... no i dont think so....not everyone who was at the march is a thug, and not everyone at the front was a thug- very few in fact!

 

[Scratchline]

just read one of your posts zigzagzig... so now my father is a thug... yes of course, a man who goes to work in london everday, has 2 children, a wife, 2 gods and 5 hroses, who dresses in a suit for work, and wears generally smart clothing is a thug... no i dont think so....not everyone who was at the march is a thug, and not everyone at the front was a thug- very few in fact!

The Kray twins always looked smart in suits I believe )

 

[Nailed]

Now what really have antis got to moan about.. cause its nolonger about hunting animals.. its banned... so it must be the mysterious class defind.. LOL.. working class people hunt too..

Lou x

 

[Scratchline]

can we know more.

What would you like to know? )

 

[Scratchline]

Now what really have antis got to moan about.. cause its nolonger about hunting animals.. its banned... so it must be the mysterious class defind.. LOL.. working class people hunt too..

Lou x

The old ones are still the best! lol lol The thread is about people not being very polite on here. You know the kind of thing. Jumping in on threads and not posting on topic etc etc Oooops hey ))

 

[Scratchline]

how is a hound chasing a fox any more cruel or barbaric than a fox chasing a rabbit, or a wolf chasing a deer, or a lion chasing a gazelle?

Oh please no. You cannot really expect me to waste my time explaining something so very simple to you?!

 

[weebarney]

Now what really have antis got to moan about.. cause its nolonger about hunting animals.. its banned... so it must be the mysterious class defind.. LOL.. working class people hunt too..

Lou x

I think anyone who has the slightest knowledge of hunting knows there are knuckle draggers involved as well as aristocrats.

 

[weebarney]

oh so when me and my friends horses were nearly slashed by some god knows what, but the huntsmen protected himself and therefore he got slashed and so did his horse, leaving a gaping gash in his leg and his horses side.. those anits were being "kind, toleratn folk" ???? i really dont think so....
and when some anits decided theyd take photos of me as an 11 year old, you were being "kind, tolerant folk" and when antis decided to spray the hounds noses, they were being "kind, tolerant folk"??? and when you played a track sounding like some hounds, so you would distract the huntsmen and the hounds you were being "kind, tolerant folk"???
what kind of world are you living on????
hunting people, are on the whole very curtious, kind and always aware that there are other users of the countryside and roads, of course there are exceptions, but there are no exceptions to antis, where ever they go they cause trouble...
they are continuosly tresspassing....
we as the hunters have never interupted and ruined your lives, nothing like what you have done to us... how is that beeing "kind, tolerant folk"???old, but it is a way of life for me... it is not cruel, the facts for the amount of foxes hunts chase, to the amount of foxes killed are that very few foxes are killed......
hunting shall continue, we will keep going out and hunting within the law, you will never fully ban hunting, and hunting shall be resumed as normal, one day, it shall... once this contry has come to its senses, it will!
Keep Hunting!

For starters I dont think you meant to address this to myself, at least i dont think you did.
You write as if all pro hunt people are saints, i think you need to come back down to earth a bit.

You say foxhunting is not cruel due to the amout of foxes chased is few compared to the amount killed, I'm afraid only killing a few things does not make something cruelty free.

Hunting wont ever be resumed to what it was before the ban, i would put my money on that.

 

[combat_claire]

The two cases that I mentioned above are friends of mine, I know for a fact that neither 'belted a policeman' with a stick or any other weapon and yet they were still treated in a violent manner by the officers on duty that day.

I feel that policing tactics during demonstration need some careful review, particularly in the light of the news this evening that a man who got caught up in the G20 protests was pushed so hard he smacked his head on the pavement and later died.

I can be thankful that my two friends walked out of their alive, how many more people need to die before you can admit that the police are not always infallible??

 

[combat_claire]

I think anyone who has the slightest knowledge of hunting knows there are knuckle draggers involved as well as aristocrats.

The irony of this posting in the context of the thread's title is quite staggering!

 

[Bowen4Horses]

My wellies have never said a rude word to me. You must have a dodgy pair

ha ha ha. made me squirt tea out of my nose as i laughed!

 

[Grey_Eventer]

oh so when me and my friends horses were nearly slashed by some god knows what, but the huntsmen protected himself and therefore he got slashed and so did his horse, leaving a gaping gash in his leg and his horses side.. those anits were being "kind, toleratn folk" ???? i really dont think so....
and when some anits decided theyd take photos of me as an 11 year old, you were being "kind, tolerant folk" and when antis decided to spray the hounds noses, they were being "kind, tolerant folk"??? and when you played a track sounding like some hounds, so you would distract the huntsmen and the hounds you were being "kind, tolerant folk"???
what kind of world are you living on????
hunting people, are on the whole very curtious, kind and always aware that there are other users of the countryside and roads, of course there are exceptions, but there are no exceptions to antis, where ever they go they cause trouble...
they are continuosly tresspassing....
we as the hunters have never interupted and ruined your lives, nothing like what you have done to us... how is that beeing "kind, tolerant folk"???old, but it is a way of life for me... it is not cruel, the facts for the amount of foxes hunts chase, to the amount of foxes killed are that very few foxes are killed......
hunting shall continue, we will keep going out and hunting within the law, you will never fully ban hunting, and hunting shall be resumed as normal, one day, it shall... once this contry has come to its senses, it will!
Keep Hunting!

For starters I dont think you meant to address this to myself, at least i dont think you did.
You write as if all pro hunt people are saints, i think you need to come back down to earth a bit.

You say foxhunting is not cruel due to the amout of foxes chased is few compared to the amount killed, I'm afraid only killing a few things does not make something cruelty free.

Hunting wont ever be resumed to what it was before the ban, i would put my money on that.

i never said all hunters were saints, but what i am saying is that we are not rude, we respect other people...
what would you prefer:
a) foxes being caught in snairs and suffering a far more painful death, as snairs do not always work, and foxes will even go to the extent of chewing there own leg off to free themselves
b) to have a hugely overpopulate country, not just countryside full of foxes
c) for foxes to be chased and having little chance of actually being caught....?
if you choose a then you cant call us cruel or barbarack.... if you choose b, then good luck sorting out your bins every morning etc etc.

hunting with hounds is a cruelty free way to kill foxes, foxes have got to be controlled, humans upset the balance in the first palce, so now we need to correct it.
and please dont tell me to come back down to earth, i am entitled to my own opinion, as are you, and i am happy with my opinion, that is what i beleive......
and yes maybe hunting wont go back to what it was before the ban, but in the near future people will forget about the ban, it will be buried in history, and that is my opinion.

 

[lastrebel]

Perdy,

its past your bedtime. however the reason photos were took of you at 11 is because people wandered why any parent would take their young child to see an animal ripped apart by hounds some people find this disturbing.

quote "we as the hunters have never interupted and ruined your lives, nothing like what you have done to us... "
This is not true, the fact we have to share this earth with your kind is quite upsetting.

If we ignore the laws and dont take any notice of them you will be stuck up a chimney somewhere and Daddy will be sent to Australia if he complains.

I'm sure Daddy is a great man and works hard, he may find his job frustrating and this means he has to torture wild animals to make himself feel better after a long week.

Quote " oh so when me and my friends horses were nearly slashed by some god knows what, but the huntsmen protected himself and therefore he got slashed and so did his horse, leaving a gaping gash in his leg and his horses side.. those anits were being "kind, toleratn folk" ???? i really dont think so...." If you lie santa wont come.

 

[YorksG]

And you have the temerity to post a thread title about hunters being rude.......

 

[bugaboo]

Right i have read this thread from start to here,im a hunter BUT in one respect i used to be able to see the anti side but after a personal experience of the anti anger it left me quite upset.
Now to me everyone has there own opinion,but the anti's on this thread frankly come across as a complete bunch of idiots.


I dont care foxes numbers should be controlled by humans,i live in a busy city centre and we have foxes all over [god help them if i ever find one in my garden] my neighbour lost her rabbit 2 weeks ago to a fox killing it.
Why should i as a city person have to put up with foxes coming into my and neighbours gardens,its not on.
If they are wide spread enough to be branching out into busy citys and villages then they need to be brought down.
Same with rabbits FFS they dont even originate from thsi country yet farmers are over run with them.
There are some things that need to be controlled,and im actually quite annoyed that these so called anti's are putting all there effort into disgusting little vermin animals such as foxes.
When we have so many endangered species in the world,try fighting for the black/white rhino,the oodles of species of monkeys,girraffes [sp] zebra,elephants.You know the sorts of animals who roam free dont destroy peoples livelyhoods.And just generally keep out of peoples ways and keep themselves to themselves.

 

[zigzagzig]

"Same with rabbits FFS they dont even originate from thsi country yet farmers are over run with them. There are some things that need to be controlled,and im actually quite annoyed that these so called anti's are putting all there effort into disgusting little vermin animals such as foxes."

Foxes eat rabbits.

 

[Hebegebe]

Yes they do and sound wildlife management maintains a sustainable population of both at a level that promotes bio diversity and is in accordance with the interests of land managers.

That is what hunting does. The last thing that the hunts want is to completely exterminate foxes.

 

[lastrebel]

bugaboo

You also come across as an idiot, if you had elephants rhionos and zebras in your garden you would have something to complain about.

In fact your whole post just proves your ignorance and your arrogance.