Why do even experienced people confuse Welsh Cobs with normal Cobs ??

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The Welsh Cob book states. 'A WC is neither a horse nor a pony'

A Welsh Cob is NOT a 'cob' they are nothing like!!

When I say 'cob' here I mean the word associated with tradition ploddy types, not individual horses

A true cob is either a traditional coloured cob or a (sorry, for want of a better word) 'common cob'. very often bred for their temperament and weight carrying abilities. They have a wonderful place in the horse world but are NOT Welsh Cobs.

Welsh Cobs are often highly bred, highly strung and VERY agile not ploddy

There is just NO comparison so why do people here the word Cob and not realise the difference.

No wonder novice riders by them thinking the word cob means they are suitable for beginner riders if even the most experienced people lump them together


Sorry rant over

BTW I don't have a Welsh anymore but it still annoys me beyond belief and I know a good few Welsh breeders that feel the same way.

Obviously it is different in Wales if you say 'cob' you mean WC
 
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:eek: My cob is also agile, and certainly not ploddy! But hes a good 16hh Irish cob, certainly not common or traditional! :rolleyes: :p

But yes people do just hear the word cob am afraid.... :rolleyes:
 
becca_norrey said:
:eek: My cob is also agile, and certainly not ploddy! But hes a good 16hh Irish cob, certainly not common or traditional! :rolleyes: :p

But yes people do just hear the word cob am afraid.... :rolleyes:
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Sorry hun didn't mean to offend. Have amended my post.
I am talking about a general term that people mean when the say 'cob' I'm sure you know what I mean

I regularly ride a big cob and he is amazing, forward and agile etc so I know what you mean.
 
soulfull said:
Sorry hun didn't mean to offend. Have amended my post.
I am talking about a general term that people mean when the say 'cob' I'm sure you know what I mean

I regularly ride a big cob and he is amazing, forward and agile etc so I know what you mean.
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Lol its ok, no offence taken!
Yup even in for sale adverts you see 'Cob for sale' turns out to be a welshie, which I'm afraid am not a fan of as I couldn't cope with their 'unique' personality!!! :rolleyes:
(Just thought I'd get you back!! :p lol)

I think as well it depends on which type of horse they tend to be around, to those who are around tbs and finer breeds alot then 'anything heavier set' is a cob....
 
They call them cobs in the Welsh parts I know off, in fact they were called cobs before the whole 'cob' type name thingy came along in the first place if we are going back 60 years ago, an old breeder my grand parents used to buy from, he never called them anything else, maybe that was just him though.

I'm a bit old fashioned though, if there not a cob, why call them a Welsh a cob? yes it's a breed, but it's also cob, I'd be proud that the term cob has come from a true cob...even if they are very different.

Cob used loosely is just given to those of a cobby build, but yes I do see your point but I'd have to disagree, a Welsh section D is a cob, to me anyway:)
 
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Really? I don't know anyone experienced who confuses the traditional 'gypsy cob' with the welsh D's (incidently many people class the old fashioned solid welsh C's a 'welsh cobs' too).

Everyone seems to knows they're silly, overly dramatic nutcases unlike the nice placid sensible 'cob' ;)

But there are different lines of 'welsh cob' There's the athletic but stupid preformance lines and them there's the sensible quiet but 'cobby' 'cob line'
 
soulfull said:
A Welsh Cob is NOT a 'cob' they are nothing like!!
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I'm afraid I disagree with you on that, and I'm a Welsh D owner. Genie is a welsh cob, BUT she is a cob. Not a heavyweight, or a traditional, or a show, but still a cob. To be honest, I get annoyed when people say she ISN'T a cob!

Yes welsh cobs are different to other types of cobs, but the clue is in the name. I show Genie in cob classes (and win them!), unless it specifies they are to be hogged.

On a similar matter, I have people denying their horses are cobs because they are welsh D's, and therefore cannot POSSIBLY be a cob, and others telling me that Welsh D's and Welsh Cobs are completely different.

In my opinion, a welsh cob IS a cob.
 
becca_norrey said:
Lol its ok, no offence taken!
Yup even in for sale adverts you see 'Cob for sale' turns out to be a welshie, which I'm afraid am not a fan of as I couldn't cope with their 'unique' personality!!! :rolleyes:
(Just thought I'd get you back!! :p lol)

I think as well it depends on which type of horse they tend to be around, to those who are around tbs and finer breeds alot then 'anything heavier set' is a cob....
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:D oh yeah unique is such a kind way to put it. I've had 4 of the little tykes. Which is why I now have a dumblood oops warmblood. I did not realise what I was missing out on.
All those years of working with WC I had no idea just how much hard work they are until I got my new one. Everything is much easier without their unique 'why should I'.



Yes like I said in Wales a cob means a welsh cob BUT my point is they are different and why don't people realise that
 
fihunt said:
I'm afraid I disagree with you on that, and I'm a Welsh D owner. Genie is a welsh cob, BUT she is a cob. Not a heavyweight, or a traditional, or a show, but still a cob. To be honest, I get annoyed when people say she ISN'T a cob!

Yes welsh cobs are different to other types of cobs, but the clue is in the name. I show Genie in cob classes (and win them!), unless it specifies they are to be hogged.

On a similar matter, I have people denying their horses are cobs because they are welsh D's, and therefore cannot POSSIBLY be a cob, and others telling me that Welsh D's and Welsh Cobs are completely different.

In my opinion, a welsh cob IS a cob.
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We will have to agree to disagree then. Yes you can say the clue is in the name. However I know there lots of instances in the English language where one word describes two completely different things.

One of my Welshies was a Derwen so traditional breeding yes he was a 'cob' in the welsh terms and a little chunky compared to TB. WB etc but nothing like a heavy set traditional cob.
I've heard the Welsh D and welsh Cobs are different one too :rolleyes:

A chunkier sec C is described as a sec c of Cob type
 
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Yes like I said in Wales a cob means a welsh cob BUT my point is they are different and why don't people realise that
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hmm I duno, I've never actually come across anyone who hasn't to be honest, I only hear people say cob or if there on about a section D they will say 'that Welsh Cob', I do agree they are very different though, a your Welsh cobs are certainly very intelligent, they crafty side and need perhaps a firmer hand right from the start, your mistakes are not easily forgotten or forgiven with a Welsh cob but they do seem to have a talant in all disaplines, being a cob certainly doesn't hinder them, where as your 'cob types' personally I don't think their quite as versitle at things, if your competing at a higher level that is.
 
Yup we'll have to agree to disagree. But I stand by what I said, my welsh girl IS a cob. :)


soulfull said:
A chunkier sec C is described as a sec c of Cob type
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Again I disagree! (sorry!!! :D ) ANY Sec C is a Welsh Pony of Cob Type. A D that doesn't make it over 13.2hh can be 'downgraded' as it were to a Sec C, and a Sec C that goes overheight can be changed to be a Sec D.
 
To me, it's like rectangles. Squares are a type of rectangle. Just a different type with different regulations governing how they fit in to this group...
 
I have a welsh section D cob - she is a cob...chunky and ploddy!! its the same as saying that an irish cob isn't a cob, or a normandie cob isn't a cob, !!! they are all cobs!! x
 
This is my common cob :p
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I have had loads of Welsh breeders ask how he's bred :p ;)
He's by a tbx hanovarian and out of a traditional cob!!

In defence for welsh cobs & C's, I know loads of them and they are all lovely, they give you the same sort of ride as my common cob! Fast and fun or slow and chilled.
My cob Bear is wicked! I didnt ride him for months, tacked him up, jumped on and went for a little hack, he didn't bat an eye lid!
 
Lolo said:
To me, it's like rectangles. Squares are a type of rectangle. Just a different type with different regulations governing how they fit in to this group...
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*squares up to fight* (pun not intended)

Are you calling the OP's cob a square? :mad: (pun intended)

:p

in all seriousness I did a post like this a while ago, and the general consensus is the two aren't mutually exclusive. I still think that the simplest and most accurate way of describing it is as the welsh pony and cob society do - a Welsh section D is a pony of cob type. You can't deny the pony bit, and you can't take away the cob bit.

PS is it too soon to resurrect the cobs post? :p
 
soulfull said:
The Welsh Cob book states. 'A WC is neither a horse nor a pony'

A Welsh Cob is NOT a 'cob' they are nothing like!!

When I say 'cob' here I mean the word associated with tradition ploddy types, not individual horses

A true cob is either a traditional coloured cob or a (sorry, for want of a better word) 'common cob'. very often bred for their temperament and weight carrying abilities. They have a wonderful place in the horse world but are NOT Welsh Cobs.

Welsh Cobs are often highly bred, highly strung and VERY agile not ploddy

There is just NO comparison so why do people here the word Cob and not realise the difference.

No wonder novice riders by them thinking the word cob means they are suitable for beginner riders if even the most experienced people lump them together


Sorry rant over
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Sorry, but I kind of take offence at this.
My Cob is far from ploddy and sensible. She is very agile and can be lighter on her feet than some thoroughbreds I know.
Why "lump" all traditional cobs together by saying they are either "ploddy" or "sensible".
And I disagree, that most people *dont* think that Welsh Cobs are the same as Traditional Gypsy Cobs. Sorry.
 
soulfull said:
:D oh yeah unique is such a kind way to put it. I've had 4 of the little tykes. Which is why I now have a dumblood oops warmblood. I did not realise what I was missing out on.
All those years of working with WC I had no idea just how much hard work they are until I got my new one. Everything is much easier without their unique 'why should I'.


Aah but it is their uniqueness that makes them so much more interesting and fun - and as with our Welsh D x WB - as brave as a lion!!
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The OP seems to be confused. 'Cob' describes a body type of horse/pony, it is not a breed. Type and breed shouldn't be confused.

Cob
it has bone and substance with quality and is capable of carrying a substantial weight
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Here's three lovely black cobs for you. :) They are different breeds though, one is a Welsh D, one is a Fell and the third is a Dales.

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Enjoy the pretty cobs! :D
 
Beacause they are stupid?

The Welsh Cob or the Welsh pony of Cob type are the only TRUE Cobs.

the others are a mishmash of different and indifferent breeding.
 
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I think because a welsh cob is a cob (as in has enough bone and right stamp to be a cob).
Same way a quarter horse in a horse.
Cob isn't a measure of personality it is a physical description of its stamp.
Long time since I met a ploddy cob...do they still make them or maybe I just have a fizzy bum on ploddy cobs!
Forgot to say anyone here heard of a Cumberland Cob?
Its a dales x hackney, been around for ages still purposely breed today. So no all other cobs are not indifferant breeding. (they are breed for strength, weight carrying and surprisingly their ability to turn when herding sheep)
 
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fihunt said:
I'm afraid I disagree with you on that, and I'm a Welsh D owner. Genie is a welsh cob, BUT she is a cob. Not a heavyweight, or a traditional, or a show, but still a cob. To be honest, I get annoyed when people say she ISN'T a cob!

In my opinion, a welsh cob IS a cob.
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100% Agree! Annoys me when people say Welsh Cobs aren't cobs!

We had this debate on another forum :p Cob is a type not a breed. just because the breed is known doesn't make it any less of a cob if it fulfills the general physical characteristics of the type (weight carrier, short cannon bones, stocky).

Heck if you went to another forum and called their cobs ploddy you'd get an ear bashing! Some of these cobs are out hunting every week easily keeping up with the tb/wb types ;)

Same as not all welsh cobs are highly strung and very forward.

As for agile, Phil's about as bendy as a slab of concrete :p
 
Definition as taught as a child....up to 14.2..pony, over that and up to 15.1 cob...beyond that ..horse.

Cob to me means the 15.1 hogged,clean legs and pulled tail.It is meant to be a safe conveyance for the older gent or teenager , for hunting or general use.Welsh D`s are a breed in their own right,and of course by their breed name a cob.As for those hairy traditionals,well me and my clippers could quite quickly turn them into a respectable proper cob,and very smart they`d look too!

Probably the very best cross to produce a quality show cob is Connemara pony to an Irish Draught,which a lot of the country Irish regard as a big connie anyway.
 
What? A Welsh cob is not a cob?
Someone better go tell them lot at the WPCS they got it wrong and they better rename the Welsh Cob :D

I've a "common" cob and a Welsh cob - and they are both bloody cobs, different yes but still both cobs !! :D
 
First define 'normal' cob.



Traditional, show, maxi??

Coloured, single colour??

Dressage, show, worker, hack??

Those kept in riding schools as 'safe-as-houses & suitable for numpties', those in competition homes, those that hunt several times a week, those that do a bit of everything, those that are pets/companions??

Sane, spooky, safe, stupid??

Any/all of those that don't fit into any of the above??

In fact define me in a sentence ANY horse type or breed that every representative fits!! :)
 
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