Why do even experienced people confuse Welsh Cobs with normal Cobs ??

Ky's a welsh cob :D
She's got thin legs, a bit of feather and massive hooves. She's also got a thick neck :D
She's spooky, has a massive stride and def isn't a plod, neither was her mum...
She's coloured..
Definitely a cob.
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Definition of cob according to the 'Free Dictionary':

1. A corncob: corn on the cob.
2. A male swan.
3. A thickset, stocky, short-legged horse.
4. A small lump or mass, as of coal.
5. A mixture of clay and straw used as a building material.

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[Probably from obsolete cob, round object, head, testicle.] :D
 
enfys said:
Definition of cob according to the 'Free Dictionary':

1. A corncob: corn on the cob.
2. A male swan.
3. A thickset, stocky, short-legged horse.
4. A small lump or mass, as of coal.
5. A mixture of clay and straw used as a building material.

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[Probably from obsolete cob, round object, head, testicle.] :D
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Now I cant work out if Bear comes under 1 or 2 :p :p
PMSL!!!
 
Both are my boys have some Irish Cob in them and neither of them are plods.

However, I can see where you are coming from. Welsh cobs/Welsh D's are known for being quirky. I ride one myself regularly and he is definitely not your average cob!
 
rebchico said:
Ky's a welsh cob :D
She's got thin legs, a bit of feather and massive hooves. She's also got a thick neck :D
She's spooky, has a massive stride and def isn't a plod, neither was her mum...
She's coloured..
Definitely a cob.
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Take it she's a welsh X pure bred welshies can't be coloured.

soulfull said:
The Welsh Cob book states. 'A WC is neither a horse nor a pony'

A Welsh Cob is NOT a 'cob' they are nothing like!!

When I say 'cob' here I mean the word associated with tradition ploddy types, not individual horses

A true cob is either a traditional coloured cob or a (sorry, for want of a better word) 'common cob'. very often bred for their temperament and weight carrying abilities. They have a wonderful place in the horse world but are NOT Welsh Cobs.

Welsh Cobs are often highly bred, highly strung and VERY agile not ploddy

There is just NO comparison so why do people here the word Cob and not realise the difference.

No wonder novice riders by them thinking the word cob means they are suitable for beginner riders if even the most experienced people lump them together


Sorry rant over
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Why do even experienced people assume that traditional cobs have to be coloured!!

Also why do 'common cobs' have to be ploddy, the cobs I know deffo aren't. and as for highly strung...have you ever tried to make a cob do something it doesn't want to.

Welsh cobs are Welsh cobs because it's tradition and originally Welsh D's would have been heavier and more chunky, before it was bred out of them for the show ring.

Also as it's a type and not a breed, it's what they fit in best. They are too heavy for riding horses, they could probably fit in to the hunter classification, but due to their height they fit better to being a cob type...they deffo have the 'head of a lady, back end of a cook' part down and when hogged and clipped out (as awful as it looks and should never happen) they make nice show cobs.

soulfull said:
BTW I don't have a Welsh anymore but it still annoys me beyond belief and I know a good few Welsh breeders that feel the same way.

Obviously it is different in Wales if you say 'cob' you mean WC
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Me too....they call theirs cobs....It's a personal choice....
 
If section D,s were not cobs why does the society that represents them call themselves "The welsh pony and cob society" :confused::confused: And just as it confuses you that people call them "cobs" which they must be because the WP&C society is not called the welsh pony and section D society , it confuses me why its ok for some people to call other types of cobs common ?
 
Therefore, Kenzo and Faracat, rest assured I will be insisting that the topic is at the head of the agenda at next week's Prime Minister's Questions.

I shall suggest that a proportion of the new, increased EU budget is put to one side to deal with this vexing question.

Any queries, please address to Mr E. Miliband. He needs the practise.
 
I have owned the following...

1 Welsh Cob

1 cob type cob X

1 traditional show cob

1 Cob type Highland X

2 gypsy cobs

1 cob type X arab

1 cob type X TB

And I'll say this... the only two that were common were the gypsy cobs. Thick as the perverbial, easy to ride (well, except Mushi, who was unridable!) and buried under 6ft of mane and tail.

The others are all on the same par. Personalities to kill for, stunning good lookers, but ALL sharp!

Misconceptions about cobs lead to the assumption that a traditional, heavyweight cob is an old lady's happy hacker. Well, I tell you, a heavyweight trad cob bolting around the countryside, with a neck like a brick dunny, is FAR scarier than a bolting warmblood!!!!

But, I've never met an expert who gets all the different types of cob confused...

Oh, and ftr, I know a couple of dope-on-a-rope welsh cobs too... Apparently they stopped inbreeding and breeding for looks and begun to consider personality again!
 
soulfull said:
The Welsh Cob book states. 'A WC is neither a horse nor a pony'
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Totally agree with all this. Especially this bit about a welsh cob not having to be a pony. My last horse was a fully reg Welsh D, he was 15.2hh. The amount of times I was marked down purely because he was considered a "horse" size-wise was ridiculous. I even got asked if I was in the wrong class when I enterered a RC class called "native pony". Sorry, but there was no "native HORSE" class.
 
soulfull said:
The Welsh Cob book states. 'A WC is neither a horse nor a pony'

A Welsh Cob is NOT a 'cob' they are nothing like!!

When I say 'cob' here I mean the word associated with tradition ploddy types, not individual horses
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I don't know why people are getting upset because they think I accused their cobs of being plods or common.

Ok I quote myself here. I said for the purpose of this post BY A COB I MEAN THE WORD ASSOCIATED WITH TRADITIONAL PLODDY TYPES! These types are usually breeding unknown therefore 'common' which is not being used in a derogatory way, just factual

therefore for the purpose of this post most wc's are not 'cobs' (in the essence of the post)

ie novice riders are advised to 'get a cob' by that we mean a ploddy cob.
 
MagicMelon said:
Totally agree with all this. Especially this bit about a welsh cob not having to be a pony. My last horse was a fully reg Welsh D, he was 15.2hh. The amount of times I was marked down purely because he was considered a "horse" size-wise was ridiculous. I even got asked if I was in the wrong class when I enterered a RC class called "native pony". Sorry, but there was no "native HORSE" class.
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:D

it is a shame they are not accepted properly because they are a little bigger
 
rebchico said:
Ky's a welsh cob :D
She's got thin legs, a bit of feather and massive hooves. She's also got a thick neck :D
She's spooky, has a massive stride and def isn't a plod, neither was her mum...
She's coloured..
Definitely a cob.
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Sorry but she is NOT pure welsh, Welshies by definition of the WP&CS are NOT coloured
 
I would think that Welsh Cobs have got a lot sharper and more whizzy since they stopped being bred as working horses and started being bred for the show ring!

They were originally farm horses - bred to pull a cart and for shepherding. Sure-footed and with lots of stamina. Not the bug eyed maniacs you see in the ring today, kneeing themselves in the teeth when they trot.

(and before you ask, yes, I do have one! but not a bug eyed maniac!)
 
But you're still classing 'cobs' as 'slow ploddy types'. Cobs aren't called cobs based on their behavioural traits. It's physical. otherwise if you came across a highly-spirited, flighty, spooky cob would it not still be a cob?

Or do you mean there is further classification. Ie cobs which branch off into 'common slow ploddy' and 'other'

I think by making a generalisation about the type then you're just making people even more confused :o

P.s here's a photo of my ploddy (15.2hh)welsh being 'ridden' by my 7 year old nephew. He doesn't ride.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._106465097326_633522326_2644037_3527229_n.jpg
 
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Haven't read all the posts, but I would like point out that a welsh D was hogged and was champion SHOW cob at HOYS mid 1990s with Robert Oliver - Gilbraith Crack of Dawn.

So are you saying that the only difference between a welsh cob and a show cob is a mane?

Also, we have 8 show cobs on our yard at the moment - and not one of them is "ploddy"!!! But they all have a minimum of 9" of bone and (if allowed) some of them grow plenty of feather.
 
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Hey Soulfull, totally unrelated to the thread, but only the other day I was thinking about you and wondered how your ankle was! I was going to do a thread to see if anyone knew as I hadn't noticed you posting lately, and then it dawned on me I couldn't remember your user name other than it started with 'S'! :o :rolleyes: xx :)
 
It is you that seems to think that having a welsh cob is common which is why you do not want to call them cobs which unfortunately is exactly what they are. I think you will have to get in touch with the Welsh pony and COB society and tell them that they have been wrong since they started their stud book.
I am sure I read somewhere that the stud book had 4 sections a,b,c,d, which described what pony or cob was being registered, section d of the stud book was for the largest breed The Welsh Cob.
 
The Welsh Pony & Cob sections have height limits, as in a sec c (which incidentaly is called a welsh pony of cob type) upper height limit is 13.2, and the sec d (the welsh cob - just called a welsh cob, no pony or type in the name) used to have an upper height limit of 14.2 but this has been taken away because some lines,maesmynach for example, breed up to 16h or more so now they are classified as 13.2 and over. Agree though that the welsh cob has certainly changed over the years with the change in breeding lines for showing etc, some of the taller specimens about don't really match up to what a welsh cob should be anymore,but thats a whole different arguement :rolleyes: and also just as you get sane and nutty tb's, you also get sane and nutty welsh cobs:)

Personally i think Welsh cobs are obviously cobs and that is their breed not their type, so are dales etc, all others are cob types-don't mean that in a sarcastic tone, nothing against cob types, as i used to own a welsh cob and now have a traditional-ish cob type!
 
fihunt said:
Isn't Section X for coloured welshies? However they are not eligable for any M&M or breed classes.... I may be wrong on that though!
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Technically the tobiano (coloured) gene (I think that's right) is not present in welsh section a/b/c/d (same as the dun gene). However the sabino gene often causes markings that somewhat appear as if the horse could be coloured. The WPCS has seen fit to exclude any horse with these markings that appear above the flank (http://www.wpcs.uk.com/society/whitemarkings.html) despite the fact they could be conformationally a heck of a lot better than a correctly marked foal with poor conformation. But that's another thread entirely :p

And this is coming from someone who likes minimal white! But IMO the WPCS need to sort out some form of grading system and stop accepting horses with trainwreck conformation (Apologies if that sounds harsh but no point having a breed standard if breeders continue to deviate often on the purpose of breeding for colour!) before dismissing a horse based on markings cause by an ALLOWED gene.
 
ok please correct me if i have got this wrong the welsh society decided to simplify the sections of the stud book by giving them a letter ABCD Before this different sections of the breed were just decribed ie A Welsh mountain Pony now known as a welsh A
Welsh Pony =B Welsh Pony of Cob type = C A Welsh Cob = D I have to admit i believe coloureds are not recocognized as welsh although i also believed this where tb's are concerned
Therefore all welsh D 's are cobs but not all cobs are Welsh Ds
Arse of a bag lady, head of a lady, a minimum amount of bone, and a leg at each corner seems to me the best way of describing a cob. Temprament and amount of hair can be somewhat influenced by owner but i'l never get my dales backside any smaller no matter how much hair i clip off
 
A welsh section D is a cob to me.

May be pure bred but dosent stop them looking like a cob!!

A cob is a type, if your horse looks like a cob then it is a cob!

People get so worked up about the choice of words used to describe a horse - its only a word!

Cobs, by defination, have short legs and are stocky. No where does it say that their disposition is ploddy...


Welsh Section Ds = Cobs to me. sorry.
 
FMM said:
Haven't read all the posts, but I would like point out that a welsh D was hogged and was champion SHOW cob at HOYS mid 1990s with Robert Oliver - Gilbraith Crack of Dawn.

So are you saying that the only difference between a welsh cob and a show cob is a mane?

Also, we have 8 show cobs on our yard at the moment - and not one of them is "ploddy"!!! But they all have a minimum of 9" of bone and (if allowed) some of them grow plenty of feather.
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sorry but he wasnt a welsh sec d i was his groom he was an irish cob!but totally agree with the not ploddy comment i had show cobs all my life and never had a quiet one yet!
 
lauraandjack said:
bug eyed maniacs you see in the ring today, kneeing themselves in the teeth when they trot.

(and before you ask, yes, I do have one! but not a bug eyed maniac!)
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What a perfect description!!! But you did miss out the fact that most of the above type are OBESE too!!
 
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