Why do rescue centres have so many useless horses?

Rhino - No I wouldn't, my little pony was one of the "free to good home" ponies. I have had plenty of vets bills, problems ect. And I would never consider passing her on as I know for a fact nobody would take on a pony with her problems. Unless they were clueless novices and then I would probably have a court case on my hands when the pony hurt/killed someone .. I love her to pieces, but in the hands of a novice she's a ticking time bomb!!
 
It's a bloody big field ornament to feed though! :D

I have 5 Shires and 2 donkeys. None of them are ridden. Three of the broodmares are retired. One of the donks can be saddled and lead (an occurrence of about once in every 10 years). Yes, they are "bloody big field ornaments to feed," and I wouldn't have it any other way. Shires, by sheer virtue of their size, are for specialist owners, pure and simple. The need for ample stables (we use a massive pole barn in winter); substantial paddocks; higher and stronger fencing; enormous amounts of hay, forage, and bedding; larger quantities of wormers and medicines; vast manure removal and disposal efforts, make rehoming a nightmare, especially if I want it done to my standards. Hence, my mares, at ages 14, 15 and 19 years, won't be foaling ever again. I won't be adding the the roster of unwanted horses. At the girls' ages, getting them in foal, in the first place, is a challenge. And for what? The possibility of them, or their offspring, winding up on a platter somewhere in Europe because their size and the economic downturn preclude them finding a forever home. Times are bad enough for "regular" horses. For the giants of the species it's horrendous. So, for as long as I am able, my "useless" horses will live a privileged life, safe, contented, wanting for nothing, loved. If I die before them, they will be put down on the farm, hopefully, never knowing fear, starvation, deprivation. That's the least I can do for them. But useless? Not in my lexicon. And most probably, not in the lexicon of those rescue centres with their hearts in the right places.
 
The purpose of horses is not for us to ride them, their existence shouldn't be purely for our own enjoyment and own gain through riding. Imo a horse unable to be ridden deserves exactly the same chance in life as one that can, especially when often the issue making it unridable has been brought upon by humans.

Just because a horse is not ridable that does not make it useless. What a selfish idea! Just because you can't ride the horse it does not make it useless, they can all live perfectly happy and healthy lives without having us sitting on them. I know people who don't ride out of choice (used to but lost confidence) yet still keep horses because they enjoy owning a horse. The horses don't give a freaking damn whether they're ridden or not and I am sure are having a wonderful life.

I do think it's incredibly selfish to consider horses unable to be ridden as 'useless'.
 
All this talk of 'useless' horses at WHW is interesting, but there are some horribly inaccurate opinions on here!

Rescue centres are there for welfare cases. That is why they won't take your fit arab or lame tb, they are your responsibilty to keep, rehome or pts. I had a good chat with a representative of WHW recently, had a tour and it was clear that by the very nature of rescue means that they tend to find themselves with unhandled ponies circa 13hh, too small for most adults and they take a lot of time to become suitable for teenagers/children, of whom there are only a finite amount whose parents are willing to loan and bring on. Ditto very small ponies, would you put your very young child on a pony who has has a poor welfare past which may affect his future, and may be unpredictable due to his lack of worldly experience or even because of his poor experience?

Welfare cases have got BIG recently. Spindles farm is only one of many over stocked yards who have had their horses confiscated. Foals, stallions and pregnant mares are more prevalent in the more rwcebt, bigger welfare cases. What's more is that a charity might need to hold them for up to 3 years until the court cases are finished and they gain legal ownership of these horses... So 4 stallions and 5 in foal mares can actually mean a total of 14 horses of indiscriminate breeding of which up to 9 are entire and 5 are 3 year olds, and the charity can't castrate or begin to rehome for up to 3 years, that is where all the space is going.

Once signed over and healthy, WHW says it finds companion (ie 'useless') animals the easiest to rehome, as that is what people know them for and come to them if they are looking for one. Penny Farm has 2 15.2hh ish nice ridden horses who they were struggling to find loan homes for far more than their 'useless' horses.

A final word on the permanent residents; sanctuaries rather than rescue centres tend to keep and not rehome (on loan). There are the odd exceptions in WHW, when I used to work there we had a knock-kneed shetland who couldn't go out on loan but was a great mascott and brought in more than his keep in revenue from childrens parties. The few other permanent ones could be 'adopted,' something else which brings in money. In short, those 'useless' horses all have a use ;)
 
Horses are pets, most horse owner would not consider their horse livestock.

I don't for one they are pets - family members .

And whats wrong with treating horses like children ?? I for one prefer horses to children ( shoot me down now ).


MY view is if treating horses like children means they are pampered well looked after spoilt and loved?? I for see no problem in that.

Think this is going OT a tad, but anyway: I agree that most horse owners dearly love their horses, I'm definitely one of them. She is the centre of my being :o:p and I fret and worry over her wellbeing far more than is healthy.:rolleyes::D

However, she is definitely in a different category to children in my mind. Primarily because at some point, assuming nothing catastrophic happens, I will be responsible for having her put down. That's not something you do to your children!:eek: And that's why you can't be too sentimental in the end IMO.
 
I am just fascinated why charities such as the WHW spend so much money keeping companion horses/ponies which are effectively useless when instead they could be devoting the money to horses who will go on to lead productive lives, can be rehomed and the money saved spent on improving conditions etc?

I totally agree and it's one reason why I don't donate to animal charities (except for Guide Dogs), I think they have lost sight of the purpose of the horse. A horse shouldn't exist it should live a worthwhile life (and I don't necessarily mean being ridden).
 
I totally agree and it's one reason why I don't donate to animal charities (except for Guide Dogs), I think they have lost sight of the purpose of the horse. A horse shouldn't exist it should live a worthwhile life (and I don't necessarily mean being ridden).

That's just your opinion though, and how do you define a worthwhile life? What might be described a worthwhile life to you might be totally different to my view.

This thread assumes that rescue centres are making poor decisions on how to spend their money, do we know that this is actually true? I visited a welfare centre last year and came away thinking exactly the opposite, they were doing an amazing job and distributing funds very sensibly I thought. I'm really surprised that the OP has come to this conclusion, it would be interesting to hear WHW's view on this post!
 
I visited a welfare centre last year and came away thinking exactly the opposite, they were doing an amazing job and distributing funds very sensibly I thought. I'm really surprised that the OP has come to this conclusion, it would be interesting to hear WHW's view on this post!

Thing is, WHW aren't the only rescue centre. Some organisations seem better than others at working out priorities.:(
 
Think this is going OT a tad, but anyway: I agree that most horse owners dearly love their horses, I'm definitely one of them. She is the centre of my being :o:p and I fret and worry over her wellbeing far more than is healthy.:rolleyes::D

However, she is definitely in a different category to children in my mind. Primarily because at some point, assuming nothing catastrophic happens, I will be responsible for having her put down. That's not something you do to your children!:eek: And that's why you can't be too sentimental in the end IMO.



can you explain what you think is over the top???


the fact some of us consider horses are pets rather than livestock?
or some of us treat our horses like children?

How many spoil their horses with rugs treats and the likes? I see no reason this is OT

either way its fact pure and simples
 
can you explain what you think is over the top???


the fact some of us consider horses are pets rather than livestock?
or some of us treat our horses like children?

How many spoil their horses with rugs treats and the likes? I see no reason this is OT

either way its fact pure and simples

Yikes I mean Off Topic rather than Over The Top - sorry

Either way, I maintain that my horse will never be the same as my child because I will one day be responsible for having it put down.
 
Yes it hurts, yes it is sad, but there are worse things in life than death, and death by bullet or injection is even kinder than if these horses were in the wild then the frail, weak and elderly would have been destroyed by being eaten whilst still dying by predators, or being left to starve without food and water whilst the herd went on ahead. Whilst we do our best we also need to look at the future, whilst we are keeping these 25 year olds alive, younger ones who also deserve a chance at life are being PTS or slaughtered or left to suffer, and where is it going to end if we dont act now. Potters will be 12 weeks waiting list and those that cant wait 12 weeks will be made to suffer and so it will continue and get worse. We wouldnt be human if it didnt hurt, but we have to be cruel to be kind, it is our fault after all.
 
I am just fascinated why charities such as the WHW spend so much money keeping companion horses/ponies which are effectively useless when instead they could be devoting the money to horses who will go on to lead productive lives, can be rehomed and the money saved spent on improving conditions etc?

I heard last night that Potters has a 9 week waiting list for horse slaughter!! Which got me thinking about the whole pitiful situation and that actually the whole system is completely broken.

Agree 100%

Many Charities have mis-placed loyalties..if 80% of these useless ones were PTS £1000's could be spent elsewhere .... and not just on paying inflated Ego's large saleries :rolleyes:
 
Thing is, WHW aren't the only rescue centre. Some organisations seem better than others at working out priorities.:(

Yes sure, I agree with that but the OP has named WHW at the top of this thread and I'm just questioning the validity of her claims as it doesn't match my personal experience of their centres. I think people need to be careful on a public forum such as this to make claims which might or might not be based on the truth because it could undermine all the good work that these charities do. At worst it could put people off donating, which just seems unfair to me.
 
I just dont understand what the hell it has to do with anyone. The charities publish widely what they do. People who agree with them donate. I assume that millions of people do agree as they are still in business. Some people have a heart, some dont, thats life. It wouldn't do if we were all the same.

You dont like it, dont donate. Simple.
 
Yes sure, I agree with that but the OP has named WHW at the top of this thread and I'm just questioning the validity of her claims as it doesn't match my personal experience of their centres. I think people need to be careful on a public forum such as this to make claims which might or might not be based on the truth because it could undermine all the good work that these charities do. At worst it could put people off donating, which just seems unfair to me.

Agree, but if it means people do their research before handing over hard earned cash, that's not a bad thing :) There certainly are deserving equines out there and people who know how to get the most out of the money given, but people need to give wisely.:cool:

As for not supporting guide dogs - it seems to me that some charities shouldn't have to rely on donations when the work they do changes people's lives SO much. It's a shame they aren't properly funded. That makes me REALLY sad, so it's good when they are well supported IMO :)
 
I totally agree with the op, some off the horses in the rescue centers would be better off pts and give a chance to ones with more hope in life. And the breeders need sorting out which breed crap.
 
Think this is going OT a tad, but anyway: I agree that most horse owners dearly love their horses, I'm definitely one of them. She is the centre of my being :o:p and I fret and worry over her wellbeing far more than is healthy.:rolleyes::D

However, she is definitely in a different category to children in my mind. Primarily because at some point, assuming nothing catastrophic happens, I will be responsible for having her put down. That's not something you do to your children!:eek: And that's why you can't be too sentimental in the end IMO.


Well not strictly true if a child is on life support you will sometimes have to make their decision .

My horses are my family and not in a different league to children IMO. Yes you have to PTS at some stage .

OP was saying that useless horses have no right to live , what exactly clarifies a horse as useless at one of these charities???





!. injury - horse cant be ridden
2. bad back - horse cant be ridden
3. horse too old cant be ridden.


what ever the reason if the horse is happy and enjoying life free of pain regardless of not being alowed to be ridden who are we to say you can't live .
These charities are there :


for welfare cases
cruelty cases
abandon cases
bequeathed cases

All of the above have meant they get the protection of the charities through no fault of their own .

they don't accept any other animals from people who just don't want or cant afford them anymore.


I think its morally wrong to say any horse which cannot be re homed / put on loan / deformed cant be ridden , cannot enjoy life for as long as they are healthy and happy have no right to live.
 
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To me it just smacks of the need to treat horses like the livestock they are and not like pets (or worse, children).

What is wrong in treating horses as pets??
To a lot of people they are pets, not livestock, my dogs are pets, my cat is a pet, and so are my horses and ponies!! nothing at all wrong with that!!
 
Well not strictly true if a child is on life support you will sometimes have to make their decision .

True, but thankfully highly unlikely. Whereas it's almost 100% certain I'll have to have my horse shot at some point.;)

OP was saying that useless horses have no right to live , what exactly clarifies a horse as useless at one of these charities???
I don't know, we'll have to wait for her to come back so we can ask exactly what she meant. IMO, the problem horses are the ones with chronic problems that can't be rehomed and therefore take up space and masses of money that could be used for other horses able to be rehabbed properly.


what ever the reason if the horse is happy and enjoying life free of pain regardless of not being aloud to be ridden who are we to say you can't live .

I agree, provided the horse is able to live a normal life. I would hope that such a horse would be rehomed successfully.


they don't accept any other animals from people who just don't want or cant afford them anymore.

I disagree - some posts on here have said just the opposite. In addition I don't think that bequeathing is a suitable option - how would you know you had given enough cash to pay for its care? What if it became unwell and racked up massive vets bills?

Anyway, it's a fascinating topic which is very close to my heart, I have personal experience of good and bad rescues and could talk about it all night. A good debate, OP!:D
 
WHW came to the top of my mind it was not a specific dig at them. Naturally makes some good points about court cases and to be fair I would exclude the dramatic welfare cases as they do take time to rehab.
Maybe the term sanctuaries is a more accurate one and the one I have an issue with.
 
What is wrong in treating horses as pets??
To a lot of people they are pets, not livestock, my dogs are pets, my cat is a pet, and so are my horses and ponies!! nothing at all wrong with that!!

Well I suppose there isn't anything wrong with seeing your own horses as pets, just so long as you can see that horses as animals are not on the whole sought after pets with any value as pets. Re-homing a horse which can't be ridden is nothing like re-homing a dog which can't be ridden. The dog is as good, as valuable and has as much purpose as it ever did. The horse still costs the same epic amount to keep as a useful horse, but it has lost the purpose which made it valuable and kept it safe.

I'm struggling to put this into words, but basically the reason charities are over-loaded with useless horses is that people feel they can't possibly pts their beloved best friends but they can't/don't want to keep paying mammoth horse upkeep costs now their "best mate" can't serve a purpose so think a charity should take them and/or delude themselves that there are countless homes out there queuing up to take on the upkeep of horses with nothing more going for them than friendliness but in reality these homes are thin on the ground. Also charities don't want to appear heartless by saying pts horses is fine/best and take the horses in. The fluffy approach is, in general, better PR for fundraising. I imagine the charities can't win. They sure as hell can't please everyone and I bet appealing to the fluffies brings in the most cash?
 
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they don't accept any other animals from people who just don't want or cant afford them anymore.

I disagree - some posts on here have said just the opposite. In addition I don't think that bequeathing is a suitable option - how would you know you had given enough cash to pay for its care? What if it became unwell and racked up massive vets bills?

Anyway, it's a fascinating topic which is very close to my heart, I have personal experience of good and bad rescues and could talk about it all night. A good debate, OP!:D

I based this on what has been said in the past and what WHW said to me



In addition I don't think that bequeathing is a suitable option - how would you know you had given enough cash to pay for its care? What if it became unwell and racked up massive vets bills?



It has nothing to do with how much or if you leave enough for your horse when gifted in.
Its a service they offer no one forces you , but if you want to secure their future then the option is there.
I myself are gifting mine in.
 
Well I suppose there isn't anything wrong with seeing your own horses as pets, just so long as you can see that horses as animals are not on the whole sought after pets with any value as pets. Re-homing a horse which can't be ridden is nothing like re-homing a dog which can't be ridden. The dog is as good, as valuable and has as much purpose as it ever did. The horse still costs the same epic amount to keep as a useful horse, but it has lost the purpose which made it valuable and kept it safe.

I'm struggling to put this into words, but basically the reason charities are over-loaded with useless horses is that people feel they can't possibly pts their beloved best friends but they can't/don't want to keep paying mammoth horse upkeep costs now their "best mate" can't serve a purpose so think a charity should take them and/or delude themselves that there are countless homes out there queuing up to take on the upkeep of horses with nothing more going for them than friendliness but in reality these homes are thin on the ground. Also charities don't want to appear heartless by saying pts horses is fine/best and take the horses in. The fluffy approach is, in general, better PR for fundraising. I imagine the charities can't win. They sure as hell can't please everyone and I bet appealing to the fluffies brings in the most cash?

I agree that people should be responsible for their own animals and not palm them off onto a charity/rescue or sanctuary!
An old or broken down horse should either be retired at our own expense or pts!
Maybe there should be a difference between a rescue centre and an animal sanctuary, the local animal sanctuary near me has only just started to rehome their horses, they have in the past always kept them , although strangely rehomed cats, dogs, etc.
Although conversely, i do think that all old horses deserve a happy retirement!! So maybe there is a place for retirement homes for old nags!
 
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