Why do some sellers lie about their horses breed.

[shamrock2021]

I was just strolling though Facebook and saw a Tb for sale. It didn’t look like one at all it was Chucker than my Ish. It looked like ish and draft mixed. It was very big boned. Why some people lie about their horses breed .

 

[stormox]

Some TBs are very big boned especially NH types. Are you sure it wasnt a TB?

 

[ycbm]

I've had a middleweight TB. I bought him from the bloodstock auctions, he was pure TB. I had a flat racer at the same time, you'd never have known they were the same breed.
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[PinkvSantaboots]

I have had a heavier TB as well his knees were huge and was built like a tank, especially when stood next to a fine one you would never have thought he was TB but he definitely was and won quite a few races NH.

 

[criso]

I had one that everyone mistook for a warm blood. When i said he was a tb the usual response was "are you sure?" or "crossed with what?" But intended for racing even if he didn't make it to the track and a pedigree you could trace back to the 1700's

If anything dealers will do it the other way round and passport tbs as ish of unknown parentage.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

When I first got my tb, definitely Tb, raced etc and I put a picture of him on fb I had loads of comments from friends asking if he was def full tb!!

 

[teddypops]

I had an unregistered Welsh x pony. I sold her when she was 4. The girl I sold her onto advertised her as a Connie x, just because she was grey! She looked Welsh too. I assume for more money. However, on the other hand, just because you think a horse doesn’t look a certain breed, doesn’t mean it isn’t.

 

[Snowfilly]

I’ve known some incredibly heavy TBs, some big and heavy enough to be shown as hunters. Stood up next to the little flat racer / hack types, you can have a difference of 2 hands in height and two or three inches of bone.

Have a look for some pictures of Denman; he wasn’t called The Tank for nothing!

 

[SEL]

A friend took on a retired racer who was a huge chunk of a TB. She had a filly too who was about as delicate as you can get.

 

[WelshD]

it would be odd to lie about a horse being a TB

Far more likely to see them described as not a TB!

 

[ponynutz]

I'd say he probably was a TB. I'm sure people do lie though, and the answer is of course to make them seem appealing and get the best possible price - I don't understand it personally though.

 

[shamrock2021]

Very true I didn’t think of it like that.

 

[Cortez]

Just look in the passport. If it's Wetherby's then it's a TB.

 

[ownedbyaconnie]

Horses can also look very different depending on what kind of work they are in. If you are used to seeing a tb just off the race track they will look very different to a few years down the line retrained in dressage for example.

I do see a lot of owners (normally teens) fib slightly about the breed of their horse. Someone has my old loan pony who I know for a fact is a new forest x cob and she has said he's a full connie!

 

[Ample Prosecco]

I went to view an unbacked 4yo ISH who turned out t be a 3yo KWPN when I looked at the passport! I think the seller lied because I rang to say I was looking for a 4 yo ISH and he said 'well it just so happens...'

 

[TheresaW]

Just look in the passport. If it's Wetherby's then it's a TB.

Dolly has a Wetherbys passport. She’s definitely a coloured cob ?

I know very little about TB’s, I guess it would be a different passport?

 

[hock]

Back in the day I knew of a very successful heavyweight show Hunter that came out of racing.
And I agree labelling a horse tb has the opposite effect to helping a sale imho.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

Dolly has a Wetherbys passport. She’s definitely a coloured cob ?

I know very little about TB’s, I guess it would be a different passport?

Wetherby's have a TB register, a Non-TB Racing register and an "Any Other Breed" register. So yours will be on the AOB register.

TB's come in all shapes and sizes. We had one in the yard who was very well bred (Presenting x Orchestra mare) Who was so big and heavy that when she went to the sales for the first time she was turned away and had to be Re-DNA tested to prove she was who they said she was. She looks NOTHING like a typical TB hence why she was called Nelly The Elephant! She wore extra full size bridles and headcollars, you couldn't get aluminium shoes big enough for her dinner plate feet, she was sway backed and butt ugly bless her! But THE nicest horse you could ever wish for! She was useless at racing but she has been team chasing with her owner for the last decade doing well. In contrast he also owned another at the same time who was 14.2hh on her tippy tip toes, light framed, athletic, pretty etc. still useless but again epic team chaser. You couldn't get 2 more different horses of the same breed.

And then you get this lad who is again well bred (by Yeats out of a Classic Cliche mare) who is 17hh, well put together, moves for fun and yet looks like a cart horse. But he has won 5 races to date (sadly not in our yard any more )

 

[Melody Grey]

There’s definitely huge variation in TB appearance and physique, ranging from tiny ‘polo ponyish’ flat racers to enormous NH horses- especially if they’re no longer racing fit and have gained a few extra pounds since coming out of racing!

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

This is the same horse 10 years or so apart. 17hh American bred TB. Totally different from Bucket Heid ans totally different from one job to the next.

 

[ycbm]

Dolly has a Wetherbys passport. She’s definitely a coloured cob ?

I know very little about TB’s, I guess it would be a different passport?

I've had a Wetherby passported H.I.S. horse who was IDx. I wonder if someone had told the owner that it's a TB because its got a Wetherbys passport, and it is actually something else?
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[Cortez]

Wetherby's have a TB register, a Non-TB Racing register and an "Any Other Breed" register. So yours will be on the AOB register.

TB's come in all shapes and sizes. We had one in the yard who was very well bred (Presenting x Orchestra mare) Who was so big and heavy that when she went to the sales for the first time she was turned away and had to be Re-DNA tested to prove she was who they said she was. She looks NOTHING like a typical TB hence why she was called Nelly The Elephant! She wore extra full size bridles and headcollars, you couldn't get aluminium shoes big enough for her dinner plate feet, she was sway backed and butt ugly bless her! But THE nicest horse you could ever wish for! She was useless at racing but she has been team chasing with her owner for the last decade doing well. In contrast he also owned another at the same time who was 14.2hh on her tippy tip toes, light framed, athletic, pretty etc. still useless but again epic team chaser. You couldn't get 2 more different horses of the same breed.

And then you get this lad who is again well bred (by Yeats out of a Classic Cliche mare) who is 17hh, well put together, moves for fun and yet looks like a cart horse. But he has won 5 races to date (sadly not in our yard any more )

That could never be anything but a TB, but perhaps to someone not experienced.........? I dunno, just look at the passport, if it has breeding, then you'll know what it is.

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

That could never be anything but a TB, but perhaps to someone not experienced.........? I dunno, just look at the passport, if it has breeding, then you'll know what it is.

Yes he is a proper old fashioned TB to those of us who know what they are. Most people these days just see TB's as dainty little whippets, short, narrow, no necked etc. When actually they used to be hugely different. But then so were all breeds. Everything has got daintier and prettier - even shetlands! There are some these days that you wouldn't recognise as a Shetland but have gone to HOYS & Olympia (and been Best Of Breed ... ) because of who owns/produces them.

 

[humblepie]

Friend bought an Irish Sports Horse. While later whilst having his vacs done her vet scanned him. He was an English racehorse. Dealer had got a new leisure horse type passport for the horse saying the other one hadn't come across from Ireland..... Hopefully as per the other thread about why have ex racehorses got expensive, nowadays they could ask the same money advertising him as an ex-racehorse. She would have bought him either way. Funny thing was we had been at the horses in training sales where the dealer bought him in the first place!

 

[Green Bean]

I was asked a few times about my well bred KWPN if she was a TB, I was a bit offended TBH

 

[ycbm]

I had a horse with a Westfalian passport whose parentage was almost entirely Hanoverian passported throroughbred.

He'd have passed for a full TB easily.

 

[Mrs B]

I have to say the 'Irish Sports Horse' label is the one that currently amazes me ... I mean, just how wide a variety does that label cover, in dealer-speak?

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

I have to say the 'Irish Sports Horse' label is the one that currently amazes me ... I mean, just how wide a variety does that label cover, in dealer-speak?

It's everything that doesn't fit into an obvious pure breed. Or something that doesn't have papers.

 

[Mrs B]

It's everything that doesn't fit into an obvious pure breed. Or something that doesn't have papers.

Or something you want to add a grand or two on its price if it's a coloured of some description?

 

[criso]

As far as I can tell anythng that looks like a flat racehorse to a shire and everything in between.