Indy
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I've got a litt TB flat horse, the first time my vet saw him he thought he was a Connemara, the vets at the Health Trust in Newmarket thought he was an Anglo Arab
Why do some sellers lie about their horses breed.
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humblepie
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I did say to my friend that I thought the only sport the Irish Sports horse had seen was the racetrack! Off topic slightly but my old TB non-racehorse used to do sports horse classes, "light" horse classes, riding horse classes, hunter classes, riding club horse classes. Never managed to get him to look like a M & M though!I have to say the 'Irish Sports Horse' label is the one that currently amazes me ... I mean, just how wide a variety does that label cover, in dealer-speak?
poiuytrewq
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This! I think a TB x would be far more sellable than a pure TB.
We have had some massive lumps at my work (racing) a few that people would easily mistake for something else. Ones on first sight I’ve said “that’s a hunter not racehorse”
AmyMay
Situation normal
My ex NH horse was a real chunky monkey.
Alwaysmoretoknow
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Once had a dressage judge congratulate me on staying on during a test comprising mainly 'moves not required at this level' who went on to say that young Trakehner's often take a long time to mature mentally but my youngster was very promising. It was a 14yo Section D. Not always easy to spot the difference I guess - lol!
SpotsandBays
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My boy is passported as a TB X, and you wouldn’t look at him and think TB.
Sagamoon
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I think alot of sellers think advertising its a thoroughbred will put potential buyers off before they even consider looking at it. So they hope you will like the horse before you realise its a tb.
Starzaan
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This boy was a full TB, raced under rules, and was often mistaken for an ID. He was 17.1hh and would have carried a heavy man out hunting all day long.
They come in all shapes and sizes.
They come in all shapes and sizes.
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
This was the one that people questioned me about. I used to get quite offended.
rowan666
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I viewed a TB once that i would have sworn was a cob! VERY heavy set! I really wasn't convinced the passport matched the horse but it did haha. However I do personally know people who lie about their horses breed, one had a trotter x cob yet tried to sell as TB x sec D, breed was obvious the second you saw it move. Ive had lots of people confuse my arab x trotter with an Andy ? I can't see it myself but I was lied to when I bought him and told he was an anglo (which he did look like as a youngster) it was only when the sellers ex partner contacted me years later that I found out the truth but by then I had already figured that out anyway and I would have bought him regardless. I have seen a few advertised as TB that I would swear were trotters
Bonnie Allie
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Well..........our lovely pony came with his papers and the name they called him matched the name on the papers. However, his brand was different to the papers, as was his height, his age and his colour.
Didnt care but when I queried the papers the BS story they told was precious. We still laugh about it 10 years later..........
We refer to the stud as “I saw you coming pony stud”
Didnt care but when I queried the papers the BS story they told was precious. We still laugh about it 10 years later..........
We refer to the stud as “I saw you coming pony stud”
SEL
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It covers a 14h pony on our yard! 25 now so I think they just guessed when they got him a passportI have to say the 'Irish Sports Horse' label is the one that currently amazes me ... I mean, just how wide a variety does that label cover, in dealer-speak?
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
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conniegirl
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Ive had a well respected showing judge decide my pony was partbred arab and therefore place me last in an m&m class.
This is a pony is a purebred section C who has won several top honors at some of the biggest shows in the country (like winning at RIHS, cheshire county, placing at HOYS 4x, GYS, Royal welsh etc)
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
My 4 year old chaser store who had never raced. He was just all bulk. His neck was like no other TB I've known, really beefy. He would have really been mistaken for an IDx because of the body, and the criticism would have been that he hadn't picked up enough bone to carry it.
You can see the age of that picture - we used to strap the tops of our boots up!
You can see the age of that picture - we used to strap the tops of our boots up!
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
Did you mean to quote this post? Tb bred to race but often mistaken for wb or tb x
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
No ? wrong horse! Lovely TB!
Flowerofthefen
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This was last winter. Even chunkier in summer! Full tb
Goldenstar
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If I posted a picture of Sky all dressed up cantering a lot of you say that’s ID cross .
I have people look sceptical even when I tell them he’s an RID.
Its often hard to tell how a horse is bred some TB’s will easily pass as ISH’s .
I have people look sceptical even when I tell them he’s an RID.
Its often hard to tell how a horse is bred some TB’s will easily pass as ISH’s .
Lipglosspukka
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I don't really go to shows but I once watched an ROR class at Blenheim I think it was and was shocked how different some of the horses looked from them spindly two year olds you see on the TV.
Wishfilly
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Not necessarily-you can register a non-TB broodmare with Weatherbys and have the offspring put on the non-TB register. Horses' offspring can move from the non-TB register, to the full register once they are more than 7/8ths TB. The passports will only show the TB pedigree, though, I believe.
I think at one time, they allowed non-TB stallions to be registered as well.
Wetherbys (used to?) do standard ID passports as well- but these don't show any pedigree.
ecb89
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Someone asked me if my chunk of an ID is a warmblood. I guess his diet is working ?
Cortez
Tough but Fair
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough in what I posted. Yes, Wetherby's also issue passports for other breeds, but it clearly states which studbook. TB's have their own studbook, and it is clearly indicated on the passport which studbook the horse is listed in.
I'm a bit bemused at all the pics of horses that have been mistaken for something else, as I'd instantly recognise all of them as TB right away.
Wishfilly
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Fair enough, just wanted to clarify because I know a lot of people don't realise the non-TB register exists or what it means.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
Whereas I had a fully passported and branded German-bred, imported Westphalian Kaltblut, whose breeding was recorded for several generations but the ad that I answered didn't mention her breeding, because the owner didn't want loads of people looking for a WB.
Mrs B
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On the other end of the scale, I have a 'Henry': no birth date, no sire or dam, only 2014 on his passport and '15.1hh' and 'skewbald'.
I'm always being asked "Yes, but what IS he?" and when I reply "He's a Henry" they look most disappointed!
(IMHO, many riders actually need a Henry even if they don't really know it ... but that's for another thread and another story ... )
I'm always being asked "Yes, but what IS he?" and when I reply "He's a Henry" they look most disappointed!
(IMHO, many riders actually need a Henry even if they don't really know it ... but that's for another thread and another story ... )
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
I've known a few sold and passported as KWPN, non breed passport but that written in. They were branded and turned out to be warmbloods though less fashionable so not so expensive breeds. I remember one was a Hessen and another a Selle Francais
Frumpoon
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Dealer talk:
Small and grey = Connemara
Small and brown = TB
Big and grey = ID
Big and brown = generic warmblood
Small and coloured = Cob
Big and coloured = sports horse
Black/Palomino/Dun of any size = £££££££
Small and grey = Connemara
Small and brown = TB
Big and grey = ID
Big and brown = generic warmblood
Small and coloured = Cob
Big and coloured = sports horse
Black/Palomino/Dun of any size = £££££££
Vodkagirly
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When I was horse hunting I went to see what was advertised as a Welsh cross. I got there and other than being brown it had absolutely no Welsh characteristics, listening to the background, I reckon it was standardbred but someone had said maybe Welsh so she advertised as one....
Another was cross warm blood. No known breeding but someone had said she must be warm blood as broad across the forehead, so advertised as one. Also was advertised as a different age to the passport because someone had said looked younger...
Another was cross warm blood. No known breeding but someone had said she must be warm blood as broad across the forehead, so advertised as one. Also was advertised as a different age to the passport because someone had said looked younger...