Why is Thunderbrook still in business???

[Sossigpoker]

Presumably someone committing an actual crime would be arrested, I don't see the need to get involved in any subsequent consequences. Did people boycott the police because a rogue member of the force committed a crime? If they did, what was the point? What do you think will happen if a few people don't buy some feed because they have heard some allegations on social media? If the allegations are true, do you not think a prosecution will follow?

If everyone boycotted that feed until that man was no longer running the company, it would send out a strong message that sexual harassment isn't tolerated. That's the point.

 

[ponynutz]

I think it's more about not wanting to give those sorts of people your money when there's always another option.

Understand movies, books, a company who is the only one to sell a product but there's hundreds of feed companies.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I would do the same if I could find a reliable supplier of Agrobs. Unfortunately after several very frustrating attempts I am still feeding Thunderbrook muesli because I can actually get hold of it.

Me too! Started my boy a few years back on agrobs then supply went out the window, got offered thunderbrooks but said no, was worried it would end up same as agrobs , cant get it ??‍

 

[Cortez]

If everyone boycotted that feed until that man was no longer running the company, it would send out a strong message that sexual harassment isn't tolerated. That's the point.

It shouldn’t take not buying some horse feed to inform….who, exactly? The World, presumably, that sexual harassment is A Bad Thing. We have laws that do a far better job of getting that across, not to mention societal norms.

 

[ponynutz]

Feel like there's a little bit of being obtuse on purpose going on.

 

[Cortez]

Feel like there's a little bit of being obtuse on purpose going on.

If you mean me, not in the least. I find all this cancelling stuff really pointless and highly childish.

 

[ponynutz]

Also sexual assault and rape cases are the most commonly unsolved and unreported crimes in the UK.

 

[Cortez]

Also sexual assault and rape cases are the most commonly unsolved and unreported crimes in the UK

So has this not been reported then? Do you expect not buying a bag of feed to solve it?

 

[ponynutz]

So has this not been reported then? Do you expect not buying a bag of feed to solve it?

No I'm expecting to not give my money to someone who has caused an offence and not been reprimanded when there are other businesses and better people I can give my money to for the same product. Nobody has 'cancelled' anyone, nobody has suggested, 'cancelling' anyone, people are just uncomfortable with the situation and lack of consequences. That's all, no need to get your knickers in a twist about it

 

[Cortez]

No I'm expecting to not give my money to someone who has caused an offence and not been reprimanded when there are other businesses and better people I can give my money to for the same product. Nobody has 'cancelled' anyone, nobody has suggested, 'cancelling' anyone, people are just uncomfortable with the situation and lack of consequences. That's all, no need to get your knickers in a twist about it

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

 

[ponynutz]

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

I am not sure, does anybody else know?
I'm assuming not if it's public knowledge given an investigation is normally conducted privately.

 

[Sossigpoker]

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

If the acts were committed in Ireland and the victims in the UK, you'd struggle to get any police force to lift a finger.
As a matter of principle I will always stand up for other women and their rights and dignity , that means not giving a penny to a business run by a total creep.
I've had to share an office with a convicted paedophile, all the mothers /women who refused to share a space with him were warned that we were bullying him. I still can't get over the fact that he kept his job and we were expected to work with him.
Rest assured we all made our feelings very clear until he found the sense to quit.
I see this is a similar situation.
It is shameful that TB still employ him and haven't even addressed the issue in public. The condemnation and boycotting absolutely should continue until such time that the business addresses his behaviour.

 

[criso]

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

He harassed potential job seekers online on a site based in another country (I think it was the Philippines). Exposed himself to one, offered one money for sexchat, told another to remove clothing to get hired. There was evidence and screenshots. When one job seeker came forward, they contacted others and found it was a pattern not a one off. They blocked him from the site and put out a statement about his activities.

However prosecution, a bit more tricky. Which jurisdiction do you think it comes under? Given that the CPS don't prosecute actual rapes in the UK, do you think they'll pursue a case overseas. Or should the Philippines authorities try and get him extradited from the UK except if he's in Ireland now, do 3 countries need to get involved?

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

I think I do owe you an apology as having spent more time reading older threads on the forum the bad behaviour of the company seems pretty substantiated and evidenced.

A local tack shop owner had said to me when trying to convince me to buy a bag of TB, as they didn't have the brand I usually have, that the female owner was a really lovely, knowledgeable woman who she'd met and spoken to since numerous times and was just being victimised on SM (by apparently one or two people in particular) and what was being said wasn't true. Hence it did seem a bit odd to have a poster that mostly posted about how bad the company was and kept bringing it up years apart.

I was manic yesterday and so didn't have time to read the old threads fully before posting, which was a mistake and I should have.

That’s fine, I understand we all have those days

I can assure you I’m simply annoyed that this bloke is still profiting and the company has tried to ignore and sweep it under a rug. Hence I’ll continue not to let it disappear so new people will see the facts

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

The people exploited were online workers applying for a job he advertised on a Phillipine Facebook group for so called virtual assistants. In virtual interviews he then turned it into sex chat instead and offered money/jobs for sexual pictures. The jobs didn’t exist, he just wanted someone to get off on

This isn’t about a law being broken, I doubt the UK even has a law for this. Not sure where the cancelling culture stuff is coming from? You seem very defensive of him? It’s about morals in this case and wanting to protect other women in a vulnerable place just wanting a job, because a law doesn’t currently seem to exist to do that

 

[ycbm]

My underwear is entirely unruffled, thank you, it’s other people’s that appears to be a bit disheveled. So, is it the case that this person has not been reported to the police, or they have decided not to press charges then?

My understanding is that the victims were in the Phillipines on a site for recruiting distance workers, which will have made it difficult and extremely expensive to prosecute, if it's even possible.
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[ycbm]

This is still on Facebook, Cortez. I assume that he would have managed to remove it if it had been untrue.

https://www.facebook.com/688930253/posts/10165331053560254

 

[Cortez]

Oh I don't question the awfulness of the actions, just bemused at the method of dealing with him - why on earth attack the business rather than the man responsible? There are laws against what he is alleged to have done, at least there are here, and there have been prosecutions. Surely it would be more useful to report him to the police?

 

[Sossigpoker]

Oh I don't question the awfulness of the actions, just bemused at the method of dealing with him - why on earth attack the business rather than the man responsible? There are laws against what he is alleged to have done, at least there are here, and there have been prosecutions. Surely it would be more useful to report him to the police?

Because he runs the business! And said business continues to condone his actions and shield him!
I'm starting to think that you must have a personal connection to him or otherwise lack any solidarity towards women.

 

[ponynutz]

Because he runs the business! And said business continues to condone his actions and shield him!
I'm starting to think that you must have a personal connection to him or otherwise lack any solidarity towards women.

Think it's more they're so against the 'cancel' culture it's skewing their views.

 

[Cortez]

Think it's more they're so against the 'cancel' culture it's skewing their views.

Firstly, I neither have any connection with the man, nor do I use the feed supplied by his business. Secondly I am not a "they", I am a singular person who is very practically minded and cannot see how a few aerated biddies aggressively not buying a product will in any way either help the people affected or bring about any consequences for the perpetrator. However you'll be delighted to know that I will continue to join you in not buying Thunderbrooks products, for the simple reason that I don't use any hard feed at all. I find much of the reasoning expressed on this thread very irrational, but presumably it makes sense to you.

 

[Sossigpoker]

Think it's more they're so against the 'cancel' culture it's skewing their views.

I'm also very much against this crazy cancel culture we have but boycotting a business run by a sex pest in my mind doesn't fall into that category.

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

Firstly, I neither have any connection with the man, nor do I use the feed supplied by his business. Secondly I am not a "they", I am a singular person who is very practically minded and cannot see how a few aerated biddies aggressively not buying a product will in any way either help the people affected or bring about any consequences for the perpetrator. However you'll be delighted to know that I will continue to join you in not buying Thunderbrooks products, for the simple reason that I don't use any hard feed at all. I find much of the reasoning expressed on this thread very irrational, but presumably it makes sense to you.

You are entirely correct, nothing we do by boycotting Thunderbrook will help the victims of this. However maybe by our minor act in a slightly small reduction in his income it will stop him or others doing this again. I know from the shutting down of the social media at the time he is aware of this, therefore he won’t try such a abuse of power again. I’ve no doubt he is reading every word on this forum

We can only do what we can, I wish we could do more, but ethics and law and different. I as a singular “biddie” will continue to try

 

[ycbm]

I think there are a lot of people who buy horse food who wouldn't otherwise be aware of this guy's behaviour, who would be appalled to find out who they were supporting. I consider this a public information service.
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[scats]

The man makes my skin crawl.
I’ve heard a few people say some not so great things about Thunderbrooks when they have tried to get more information about the ingredients in it. I personally wouldn’t use the company for that reason, but I also don’t wish to support this creep.

 

[sbloom]

Would anyone want to buy a horse, no matter how lovely said horse, if the owner was abusing horses, or dogs or any other animal? The fact the nature of the crime is unrelated to the nature of the business is irrelevant. Some are more principled than others and would want to make sure their money is not being used to support behaviours they find unacceptable. I don't see this as childish, it's how we effect change in the business world, as Govts seem to have little interest in controlling them on other fronts.

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

Would anyone want to buy a horse, no matter how lovely said horse, if the owner was abusing horses, or dogs or any other animal? The fact the nature of the crime is unrelated to the nature of the business is irrelevant. Some are more principled than others and would want to make sure their money is not being used to support behaviours they find unacceptable. I don't see this as childish, it's how we effect change in the business world, as Govts seem to have little interest in controlling them on other fronts.

Very well said!

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

Spot on.
Sadly an awful lot of women and mothers still keep buying products from that disgusting company. I wonder what it would take for them to take their business elsewhere? An actual physical assault? Or I guess like many women I know , if it doesn't happen to them or their daughters , it doesn't concern them.

Meanwhile, raising awareness is the right thing to do.

Exactly this, it’s all ok for some when it’s happening to someone else (for some), someone unknown

But if even one new user sees this and becomes aware then it’s worthwhile

 

[IveRunOutOfNamesToThinkOf]

Bumping this so anyone unaware of Thunderbrook practices can search this site and make themselves aware before buying

 

[Slightlyconfused]

I am aware and yes i do buy their chaff.

My horse is seriouslly fussy and has intolerences to alfafa etc. And he needs to get his vit e and other supplements into him.

I have tried other chaff and he stops eating it after a while. Dengie grass chaff, agorbs and others he wont eat.

But i do agree it needs to be talked about and kept in the forefront. Some of us just dont have a choice.