Wildlife Crime doubles at the hands of the Hunting Fraternity.

[HeWasGeeBee]

The antis are seriously divided.

Indeed they are : prominent anti:::

"Chris Gale
Many of the loopholes in the Act were put their at the behest of senior Labour politcians with links to the shooting lobby. They made sure that terrier work etc would be unaffected. Gary glosses over the fact that the party disgracefully actively supports bloodsports of the shooting lobby. Thats one reason why the Act is so weak and they should make a commitment to tighten it and stop supporting bloodsports.
Yesterday at 18:35 · Report"

Gary Hills:

"One of those amendments was snuck in, without their being time to challenge it properly or see the reality it could cause. That was to show when a hunt was hunting or not. The law stands that a hunt can not give chase to a fox, and this applies if they flush out a fox. However the pro hunt Lords made the wording that if a fox is flush out then it must be shot.

It’s been contentious ever since, now nobody on the animal side supports it, but we have a dilemma. The only way to change it is with another amendment. However the Pro hunting Lords vowed to block any attempt to improve the wording of the law. So only the next stage of Lords reform will remove their ability to harm any improvements.... Read more"

"for decades Labour MPs argued for a ban on hunting, the wording is not the fault of the Labour Party...that’s simply not the case. The law and its wording on the point that has been contentious is because of pro hunting Lords...and the Tory Party...the Labour MPs were just as upset as all of us that they snuck the amendment through."

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Chris Gale
Why is the law not enforced? I have questioned Ministers for over four years about this and all they come back with is 'all the hunts are drag hunting' which is total nonsense. They are chasing and killing as they always did in exactly the same way. Today countless foxes will be chased to their deaths and dug out by hunts and the law is worded in ... Read moresuch a weak way as to allow these barbarians a free get out of jail card every time. The only police you will find at a hunt today are there to intimidate or arrest sabs for trying to save the lives of hunted animals.
31 October at 07:27 · Report

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Chris Gale
Gary, what ban do we have exactly? Foxes are being chased and killed each day this week near me exactly as before the 'ban'. They are dug out as before the 'ban' too.It was passed in as weak a form as possible because Tony Bliar never wanted it in the first place and for the past 4 years we have struggled to get any Minister to even stand up for its enforcment. So if you want to how the ban is not working, come down here to Wiltshire and I can show you the barbarity has never ended.
28 October at 22:28 · Report

 

[rosie fronfelen]

no effing yobs from the towns with no love or respect for animals and the countryside!! these are the cretins you need to be looking towards!!

 

[General]

no effing yobs from the towns with no love or respect for animals and the countryside!! these are the cretins you need to be looking towards!!

Do leave off! The investigation states that:

Crimes against wildlife, including badger baiting with dogs, hare coursing, poisoning of protected birds and even trapping them to sell as caged pets have soared to unprecedented heights. New figures from the police show that the number of wildlife crimes more than doubled in the last year, from 2,177 to 5,854.

Are you telling me that "yobs" from the town are travelling to rural areas to course hares and badger bait? ROTFL. This I find very unlikely. Hare coursing is a particular favourite among the hunting fraternity. This was my point. I simply brought the article to the attention of these boards - I did not write it. It is always amusing how the fraternity and their sympathisers are able to twist the evidence and make ridiculous comments about packs of hounds climbing trees etc as if the article pin points hound packs as the culprits. Guilty conscience perhaps?

I would have thought hunters and members of the rural community would have been as concerned as I am about the rise of crime on their own doorsteps. From the comments I have read it would seem that there is no concern being shown at all.

Regards

 

[rosie fronfelen]

noguilty consciences here!! and where do you live, country or town??obviously an anti, no problem with that, each to their own, BUT do not blame the so called "hunting fraternity" for all the rural crime. we are deep in the countryside , see no neighbours from our home, we care for all that live in it and certainly do not abuse it!!the hunting ban had nothing to do with this rural crime you speak of, try getting out into the country more and find out for yourself instead of following garbage on the internet and/or the comics. by the way, its a known fact that yobs from the towns DO come out and badger bait etc. so try getting a few facts right!

 

[the watcher]

Lord_Blairite.

Without exception every hare courser I have ever encountered has travelled to rural counties from urban areas, often 50 miles or more.

I think you will find (if you look) that there are comments in this thread indicating that certainly those of us who live in the country are concerned, however taking a pragmatic view it IS the case that more matters are being recorded now than previously and the scale of offending has almost certainly not increased exponentially.

 

[Scratchline]

The above just shows your ignorance. Huntsmen work full time and are paid for it - therefore they are professionals! You clearly have zero understanding about the way hunting operates other than an argument based on little fact and alot of sentimentality; therefore how exactly are you qualified to comment on it?

Bravo! lol lol here once more the absolute desperation by some pro hunters to label anybody against hunting as 'ignorant', blasts its way onto these boards!! HUNT STAFF are paid professionals actually. Huntsmen/women are not payed staff they are people who hunt for a hobby.

The law is about class hatred, hatred for those mounted on horseback, hatred for what they are perceived to represent, and nothing at all to do with animal welfare, the protection of wild animals. The law has no benefit to the wild mammal population whatsoever.

Absolute nonsense once more. The law has nothing to do with class but some of you are desperate to pretend it is. That has become one of your 'strongest', arguements and shows just how weak the campaign to keep hunting became. However it doesnt really matter does it. Hunting is finished as was and Amen to that )

I fear that your issue is not with the death of a fox, and more so with the resentment of a group of people who are stronger, more determined and united than any anti will ever be.

Congratulations on your hat- trick of rubbish in one post lol lol

 

[Scratchline]

Hi and thanks for your post,didnt think it was your way of posting mh ))

 

[Mike007]

This all sounds like the ravings of people who know they have lost,andthat the ban will be lifted. Still ,perhaps they should look on the bright side. Once this government is removed(and is unlikely to be reelected for generations)and the ban is lifted, these crime figures should fall. PMSL

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

How exactly is there meant to be a connection between egg theft and hunting?

Given that neither horses or dogs can climb trees the whole idea seems utterly preposterous.

Has there been any actual video of a fox hound pack up a tree spurred on by redcoats on horses in hot pursuit of an egg?

I very much doubt it..

 

[Scratchline]

This all sounds like the ravings of people who know they have lost,andthat the ban will be lifted. Still ,perhaps they should look on the bright side. Once this government is removed(and is unlikely to be reelected for generations)and the ban is lifted, these crime figures should fall. PMSL

I for one cannot wait for the general election and for the country as a whole it is necessary to stir things up a bit.
As for 'raving', yes, there are a few nutters about. Indeed, some believe Cameron will bring back a banned bloodsport against the wishes of the people in this country? Even crazier is the belief that all these new tory MP's, spread all over the country will amazingly also be pro blood sports to aid him in his quest???
Now that is funny lol lol Best you all have another little march and attack the police in our capital once more. Like, it worked last time didnt it! ROTFLMAO

 

[Scratchline]

Given that neither horses or dogs can climb trees the whole idea seems utterly preposterous.

I know you are a 'facts', man and good for you I say. That being the case you should be aware that the above statement is incorrect, untrue even. One breed of dog is well known for its ability to climb trees ;o))

 

[General]

<<Has there been any actual video of a fox hound pack up a tree spurred on by redcoats on horses in hot pursuit of an egg?
I very much doubt it..>>

I will look into it. I suspect there is a distinct possibility that this event could have been captured on film. If I am unable to find evidence of it happening, could you provide evidence that it has not happened. ;-)

I saw an item on the BBC news not long ago about a Jack Russel that was able to climb trees in pursuit of Squirrels. Could it be that it was also trained to collect eggs?

Regards

;-)

 

[Scratchline]

I will look into it. I suspect there is a distinct possibility that this event could have been captured on film. If I am unable to find evidence of it happening, could you provide evidence that it has not happened. ;-)

I saw an item on the BBC news not long ago about a Jack Russel that was able to climb trees in pursuit of Squirrels. Could it be that it was also trained to collect eggs?

Regards

;-)

lol lol ) either google image 'pit bull climbing tree', or youtube the same. They find climbing trees easy.

 

[rosie fronfelen]

BBC? not surprised!! get out and get a look at life away from the internet, you ARE taking the proverbial now surely?? take a hike into the country and you may be surprised at what you see and first hand!!!

 

[R2R]

Sctatchline - you ARE ignorant

Who is the person who is in charge of hounds, usually found wearing a pink coat and blowing a horn?

Who to the whippers in assist?

eeeer, last time I went hunting, it was a huntsman?

The collective term for huntsmen, whippers in, kennel grooms? Hunt staff.

The field/followers etc are people that hunt for a hobby. I hunt but I am not a huntswoman, I follow the hunt as part of the field.

I see you have not mentioned at all how divided the antis are - read the LACS blog/twitter, it is HILARIOUS, on one hand they say the Act is working and more people hunt becasue the cruelty is taken out, and on the other hand they claim all the hunts are still hunting and killing weelky...they cant even agree with themselves!

 

[Scratchline]

Sctatchline - you ARE ignorant

Dont go throwing personal attacks about luv because you will not win that one! As for being ignorant I was using the various English dictionary definitions of huntsmen to make my point. But then, I can read, write and drive a tractor.

I see you have not mentioned at all how divided the antis are - read the LACS blog/twitter, it is HILARIOUS, on one hand they say the Act is working and more people hunt becasue the cruelty is taken out, and on the other hand they claim all the hunts are still hunting and killing weelky...they cant even agree with themselves!

Why should I feel the need to comment on internet tittle tattle, the very thing the pro's on here accuse others of doing?! But should I, it is all too easy to find your lot who dont hide behind the 'guardians of the countryside', or 'pest control', or 'livestock protection', banners and state clearly their intent to break any law and kill any fox in the most gruesome and heinous of ways purely for sport and pleasure!

Perhaps it is you who should take a look around the internet as you are the one so bothered by the law and get your mouthy little mates to stop being so honest, to unite. lol lol Everyone is reading and rather than report the content on Facebook etc its best to leave it on public display so people can see what you are really about.

Do the anti's have a problem not being united? PMSL No! Because we are not being told to be, encouraged to be, forced to be purely and simlpy to bring back a bloodsport the public abhore. However much the CA push you little people to all be nice even on here your little footstamping tantrums just spill from your mouths.
Unite all you want because many of you are just plain rude, nasty little people who absolutely do not represent we who live and work and were born in the countryside of our country!
It makes me proud not to be like some of you )) x x x

 

[R2R]

Scratchline, I am 6"1. i have never been little in my life.

 

[combat_claire]

Well that has blown my strategy of avoiding scary dogs right out the water....find the pitbull climbing right up after me... :crazy:

 

[Scratchline]

Scratchline, I am 6"1. i have never been little in my life.

I think you are in the habit of misunderstanding me. I of course meant little in the sense of not being able to either think for yourselves or control yourselves )
You claim unity yet it is the CA who has to keep you all in check lol lol stop all the misbehaving, remind you they united you.
As we all know and some of us admit the CA do NOT represent either the people, businesses or views of the countryfolk. They represent a tiny minority who want the return to the bad old days, the return of a bloodsport. it aint going to happen but you be nice now or you will get told off for breaking the CA code of niceness x

 

[Scratchline]

Well that has blown my strategy of avoiding scary dogs right out the water....find the pitbull climbing right up after me... :crazy:

I know CC lol Imagine being a cat running up a tree, sticking two fingers up to the pooch chasing you. Only to find him sat next to you on the branch?!

I dont know if you saw the threads regarding rehoming a working terrier or not but fortunately we were able to help out the family in a difficult situation and now have a very well behaved little man ( patterdale/ lakeland cross), in our life )

He is fantastic, well behaved, full of fun and very popular with my better half and son. Me, I have just even less room in the bed now. Woke up to find he had left his own bed and was under the top of my pillow lol
Couldnt be happier. He has all the land he wants to work and I need to lose a few pounds now I am over 40yrs old )

 

[combat_claire]

It would be like my worst nightmare. I used to be petrified of dogs following a run-in with a scotty dog when I had just started toddling, needless to say my parents are baffled and impressed when they see me out with the houndlets!

So glad to hear about the new addition to the family

 

[jrp204]

You've just made my day!!

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Interestingly a recent poll from LACS asked the question what do you think the following should be banned:

a) genocide
b) child rap
c) hunting with dogs for squirrels in trees

92% of all conservative voters answered yes to at least one of the questions posed.

Just because they haven't furnished any evidence of the entire pack and field of the Exmoor Foxhounds playing havoc up an oak tree does not mean it isn't happening and the law clearly needs to be tightened up in this regard.

 

[Scratchline]

Thanks and glad you have overcome the upset from your childhood )

 

[Scratchline]

You've just made my day!!

Nice one )

Have pm'd you.

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

You've just made my day!!

Nice one )

Have pm'd you.

surely they'd know that?

 

[Scratchline]

[/quote]surely they'd know that? [/quote]

Just in case ) Are you trolling? lol

 

[Mike007]

Now that is funny lol lol Best you all have another little march and attack the police in our capital once more. Like, it worked last time didnt it! ROTFLMAO [/quote] Absolutely, yes I distinctly remember attacking that policemans fist with my face,while I was sitting down,with my arms folded,and as for the boy who patted a police horse, well he had his arm smashed, and then all photographic evidence was seized.Arent our police wonderfull.