Wildlife Crime doubles at the hands of the Hunting Fraternity.

[Scratchline]

Absolutely, yes I distinctly remember attacking that policemans fist with my face,while I was sitting down,with my arms folded,and as for the boy who patted a police horse, well he had his arm smashed, and then all photographic evidence was seized.Arent our police wonderfull.

Yes, are police are wonderfull and do an extremely dangerous and difficult job in many different situations. Lets get one thing straight the CA march turned into a violent protest. No one should be allowed to stomp like thugs into our capital city and kick off especially against our policemen.
And nobody in their right mind should have done anything but run the other way from the violence the moment it kicked off.
Sadly, so many thought they could do and act in any way they pleased and the answer is you cannot.
Any sympathy I have is for the police who didnt ask violent hunt supporters to attack them for merely doing their jobs and as the video evidence of the violent nature of your protest is avaliable for all to see you will have noticed no one in this country feels sorry for you other than very obviously yourselves.
The violence was no different to that of football supporting thugs and all involved should hang their heads in utter shame rather than seek out sympathy!

 

[Mike007]

If the protest had been the way you depict, you would be right. But it wasnt, you have been spoon fed,sensationalist stories and believed it all.

 

[Scratchline]

If the protest had been the way you depict, you would be right. But it wasnt, you have been spoon fed,sensationalist stories and believed it all.

Absolute nonsense!!! I have not been fed anything and have seen the video evidence for myself ta very much. The hunt supporters were violent and the situation was getting worse. You were out of control and the police restored calm. You are denial as is every thug who attacks our police and then suffers the consequences then cries about the nasty police. Pathetic!

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

How do you know he attacked the police Scratchline? You don't know which one of the protesters he was.

 

[Eagle_day]

If you keep repeating the same old lies, Scratchedarse, perhaps someone will believe you, eh?

There were no convictions of any hunt supporter for any criminal offence. And oh, by the way, it wasn't a march.

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Ed i am feeling a bit bad noiw about my sig = hope it isn't too simlar to yours

 

[Scratchline]

I didnt say he had attacked the police bud.

 

[Scratchline]

If you keep repeating the same old lies, Scratchedarse, perhaps someone will believe you, eh?

There were no convictions of any hunt supporter for any criminal offence. And oh, by the way, it wasn't a march.

Hi there ) No it wasnt a march, it was a riot. What point are you trying to make by stating there were no convictions? Are you claiming there was no violent disorder??

 

[Scratchline]

And oh, by the way, it wasn't a march.

Call me stupid but wasnt the demostration The March for Liberty and Livelihood??

The Countryside Alliance stating to the BBC " This is a march for the people and by the people and not simply rural people"?

But Eagle_Day says it wasnt a march??? (snigger)

 

[combat_claire]

You are getting totally confused there Scratchline.

22nd September 2002, March for Liberty & Livelihood entirely peaceful through London.

September 2004, Parliament Square demonstration, there are many questions still hanging over this. Largely remained peaceful, but there were scenes of disorder from both sides. I know of at least one peaceful protestor who was left with a black eye after being pushed to the floor by an officer when she turned her back to follow his instructions.

http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/FOX-HUNTING-39Ordinary-housewife-who.857516.jp

I also know of several other friends who were badly beaten by police batons. If the fault lay entirely on the side of the hunting fraternity can you tell me why ID numbers were removed from uniforms and why the batons used were not kept aside for future investigation?

As Eagle_Day has rightly pointed out there were no successful prosecutions following the demonstration.

 

[Scratchline]

Yes Claire, agree with you [ ) lol ], my mistake. And I do understand your concern about police actions/tactics but sadly this wasnt a peacefull protest and when it kicks off with the police they usually win.

 

[AengusOg]

As we all know and some of us admit the CA do NOT represent either the people, businesses or views of the countryfolk.

They represent some of the people who live in the country. Mainly those who have lived in the country for most of their lives, and who appreciate what it is to be part of a caring community, and who know what it is to support each other through thick and thin.

I don't know if I've said this to you before, but........foxes still need to be killed. The means by which they are killed are debatable in terms of their efficacy, whether they are humane or not, and even their legality at times.

The banning of hunting with hounds did nothing to save the lives of foxes in those areas where livelihoods are jeopordised by their depradations.

In many hunting areas, people who suffered from the ravages of foxes were often prepared to accept a certain amount of loss in the knowledge that the numbers would be reduced to some extent by the local hunt during the season.

Now that these hunts don't control the numbers to the same extent, the will to suffer losses from foxes is gone.

In many parts of Scotland, foxes are actively pursued and killed daily by those dedicated to fox destruction. Not fox control............fox destruction.

I know literally hundreds of poeple who are at them all the time, using any means available.

It's well known that it's better to try to live with foxes than to live without them, as foxes quickly fill any vacuum left by a dead kinsman, but, for people who like to kill foxes, that is a bonus.

Regarding the police, it's very concerning that they seem to have taken a more militant stance over the last few years. This appears to be a symptom of the unstable nature of Britain in general, and England in particular, owing, perhaps, to the diversity of races, religions, and attitudes to the government and its sporadic approach to governance.

The fact that a police officer can get away with the removal of his ID when he is actively carrying out his duties, not only has sinister connotations, but also implies that that person means to act outwith the law he is sworn to uphold, and that he means to save himself from prosecution in that event.

In fact, in that respect, his actions may be likened to those members of the HSA who also are keen to act without regard for the law, and are also keen not to be identifiable.

There is another group of people of whom I am very suspicious, and whom I fear far more than either of the two aforementioned.

This lot are not averse to commiting illegal acts; to stealing from the rest of us; to using barefaced lies and deceipt to manipulate their incomes; to committing indecent acts; to committing acts of aggression; to using illegal substances; to manipulation of facts to enhance themselves whilst defaming others......................................it's just a shame that they are also running the country.

 

[General]

The Police did very well in extremely difficult circumstances. They were under heavy attack from thugs of the hunting fraternity. Trigger, no doubt you were there under your ski mask!!

As Scratchline said, none of them were trying to escape the violence, rather they were attacking and provoking it.

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Are you saying that they deserved a good hard kicking LB?

 

[combat_claire]

No worries it can be hard to remember the exact timeline of the protests.

The vast majority of the attendees were protesting peacefully. From the perspective of someone who was there, but standing well back in the middle of the square it was terrifying - there were people walking past me with blood dripping from their heads, bangs and yells but being unable to see what was happening. They then started closing off exits from Parliament Square, I'm a bumpkin - my knowledge of London streets is non-existent and trying to get out of the way a policeman rudely and angrily told me I couldn't pass, but didn't think to direct me to an open route. Luckily I had a map and managed to meet up with the rest of my group. But aged 21 and fearing I might never find my way back to the bus was horrible.

In the light of the G20 demonstrations and the hunting protest I still think that no matter what your views are on climate change or country sports serious questions need to be asked about policing tactics of the Met and how complaints procedures are thwarted by lack of proper forensic storage after batons are used in anger.

 

[combat_claire]

You seem remarkably well informed for someone who presumably wasn't there.

As I was there I can confirm that actually at least four people who were with me and certainly many more were doing their best to get away from Parliament Square. From reports of people who were up at the front (purely because they had arrived at the demonstration first) they found themselves trapped between a mass of people behind them and the police lines in front. Very difficult to get away from that and that was when many innocent people were beaten around the head by police officers. Photos from the day show them leaning as far over the barriers as they can to hit hunt supporters who were posing no threat.

For argument's sake say there is an anti-hunt demonstration or indeed any other demonstration in London tomorrow - if there is a violent clash, my own experiences will cause me to question policing tactics no matter what my views on the demonstrators.

 

[combat_claire]

Now I don't normally read the Daily Mail but here are some of the pictures from the day:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ible-injuries-peaceful-country-folk-2004.html

 

[HeWasGeeBee]

Claire if it had been an anti hunt demonstration I am quite sure it would have passed without incident because only a handful of pallid miserable dreadlocked vegans would have turned up barely able to raise their placards in the air.

 

[General]

<<
Are you saying that they deserved a good hard kicking LB?>>

No, not at all. I'm just saying that they have to expect problems to arise for them if they are going to protest violently and stoke tensions.

Nature of the beast and all that!!