Working Plummers?

That wasn't the fault of the collar, though. That was the fault of a complete ******.
I've seen dog with their skin growing around a flat collar - was it the fault of the collar?
Dogs with hair was so matted, they couldn't move their legs properly - the fault of the hair?
Dogs with claws so overgrown, they couldn't walk properly - the fault of the claws?
 
Have to say after reading all these Plummer post I'm not about to be a fan.
Tweedette you aren't really doing a great PR job for them.

TBH I cannot see the point of them. It appears that Mr Plummer was breeding for the sake of breeding, trying to make a name for himself.

And yes I do feel qualified to talk on this as I am now in possesion of a hybrid mutant animal-created for the purpose of satisifying one mans need to be known.

If its not broke don't go trying to fix it.
 
Ok I understand your point further now. I dont agree that PROPER use of an electric collar can cause such issues though, used correctly and dependant on the dog it is used on. My point was just from seeing a picture theres not neccessarily anything wrong with that...I may watch that lady training that dog with that collar and see a whole world of issues from it, but not just from a picture like that (except as CC mentioned its positioned slightly wrong!)
I'm sure you have seen dogs with holes in their necks...morons are everywhere :rolleyes: But I have seen dogs with all kinds of other injuries and issues by other means too...also caused by morons. The electric collar itself is not to blame for the fact.

I googled the breed standard but not sure if it is the correct proposed standard that you breed to? Could you post what you consider the breed standard please?

I'm not 100% understanding the docking point either, although neither am I clear on the laws in scotland. However I own a breed customarily docked and dual purpose in type (in answer to your earlier question to rw, yes there is a large difference in working and showing springers) My dog works and shows and is undocked (because I wanted her to be able to go to crufts mainly) I would never use a terrier to ground with a tail though. I have one docked and one undocked parson.
 
tweedette said:
Not anti docking, we have a blanket ban in scotland hence cant dock - simple as.

They were bred for ratting, read some of Brians books like Tales of a rat hunting man , he was obsessed with ratting, but one or two did make it into hunt service, one of our old boys did 3 yrs hunt service, was second in the gundog scurry at the welsh game fair. I've no problem with hunting, I have problems with teenagers posting hunting pictures without explanation, it brings not only legal hunting into question but the credibility of care for our breed.
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Fair enough about the ban in Scotland but why would you be upset about someone taking a dog across the border to have pups docked if you are not anti docking?

If they are great ratting dogs, then thats fabulous, like I said in another thread, we used to have a "rat catching" pack that met every Sunday, but that involved all sorts of different terriers ;)

I am an avid hunter but I can't see your point in your last paragraph. To be illegal you need more than two dogs to flush game to shoot. Firstly they only used two dogs and secondly just because they didn't mention a gun didn't mean they didn't have one. Yes, they did look young but no younger than my son and he has a shotgun license - they are easy to get.

I have three dogs and every time I walk them and they flush a deer, I am breaking the hunting law because I don't carry a gun with me when I walk the dogs - thats life, the law is ridiculous!!

To be legal, if my three dogs flush a deer I should shoot it at the first opportune moment - how ridiculous is that!!
 
I don't pretend to understand because im simply not interested, a terrier is the last dog in the world Im likely to own, although I deal with them day in and day out, even more so one of these plummer terrier types, im looking at the pics and the dog my friend owns is the double of yours and one held up in the hunting pics and the look of them irritate me, just because this particualr dog is a friggin nightmare.
Im assuming the dogs where bred to kill animals, are u trying to make them into a lap dog of some sort? (thats a genuine question), hence your suggestion of creating the perfect lap dog with one of these and a j.r.t:confused:
Maybe they are such a head strong breed like many suggest.... that an 8 month old pup needs an E collar (not that I agree an 8 month pup) should need a one but as suggested u don't know why there is a need/and how compitent the handler is in their use of the collar?

The seperation anxierty, im not totally getting either, he trained them via SA:confused:, at first I thought your where saying he used an EC on dogs with SA, in this case thats utterly ridiculous, as I see no benefit of that, seperation anxiety is a very easy probem to work with and easy to cure, so again im obs understanding that wrong.

Never mind
 
You sound as confuddled as me Cayla! :p I agree though, there is no way I would want one and I unlike you have two terriers on my lap right now.
 
tweedette said:
you dont know it until you see it, who would have thought it? Its the first and last case I have ever seen, know where both puppies are, the bitch was bred from, shes an old girl now, but has been superb in everything she has done, this anxiety never passes on,its something which can be created between man and dog, this was the result - I never want to see it again..

The original bitch long gone, this was 13 yrs ago.
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Oh I see :) the way I read it, it sounded like it was a common occurance in the breed, I've not heard of something like that before, all my bitches have been comfortable with me handling their puppies from birth and have never showed signs of that sort of obsession/anxiety, hence my curiosity and questioning.
 
Vizslak said:
You sound as confuddled as me Cayla! :p I agree though, there is no way I would want one and I unlike you have two terriers on my lap right now.
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Lol, I feel better now that I am as confuzed as u, esp re the SA, and echo...echodomino:D re the pups from a bitch with SA, im not getting that bit either, never mind, time to leave to the terrier enthusiasts:p
 
CAYLA said:
Lol, I feel better now that I am as confuzed as u, esp re the SA, and echo...echodomino:D re the pups from a bitch with SA, im not getting that bit either, never mind, time to leave to the terrier enthusiasts:p
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Just to add, I have also seen some horrific wounds under the arm pit from a harness and horrendous wounds from extendy lead, suppose its not the tool, but the tool using them.
 
CAYLA said:
Just to add, I have also seen some horrific wounds under the arm pit from a harness and horrendous wounds from extendy lead, suppose its not the tool, but the tool using them.
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That was my point yea! A tit can use anything incorrectly and to the detriment of their animal.
 
Vizslak said:
As am I and I dont understand either!
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I can go one better.

I understand less than u and ED!, I wont ever own a terrier!, im not into hunting!, and im slowly getting pished.:D:D (watch out, I should really leave now eh:rolleyes: (before im thrown out)
The collar and seperation anxiety I do understand, hence why I replied.....lol, how more confuzing can this get:rolleyes:
 
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No you dont understand the collar and separation anxiety though?! DO you?! Oh I'm confused more than ever now you have turned up! :rolleyes: :p :D
 
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Vizslak said:
No you dont understnad the collar and separation anxiety though?! DO you?! Oh I'm confused more than ever now you have turned up! :rolleyes: :p :D
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You made a typo:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: either im pished already or u made an actual god damn typo:eek::eek:

I will make it more complicated still, I don't understand where the OP is coming from re SA and the EC, but I do understand the EC and SA my self in depthyl (sp):D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

hahahahahahahah
 
Vizslak said:
how people create SA etc was my question
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Not done it myself (not that mean) but from what I understand they shut them up with no company and they only see people at meal times and when working. They are basically that starved of company that they will do anything for a friendly pat :( People think the dogs aren't abused because they're always so friendly and 'happy' but they are that way for a reason :(
 
Interesting how this thread has gone and hope your heads are better in the morning!

What I and my OH find hard to understand is why on earth try to farm and get approved, the Plummer name at all as it wasn't a very good one at all regardless of all the books he wrote plus the fact that dogs like those shown are ten a penny everywhere, just look at all the different types of JRTs, they slot into that with ease so why try to get KC recognition as well because it sure as hell won't improve the breed at all, you only have to look at the registered Parsons to see that, so different from what they were originally.
 
Christmas_Crackers said:
Not done it myself (not that mean) but from what I understand they shut them up with no company and they only see people at meal times and when working. They are basically that starved of company that they will do anything for a friendly pat :( People think the dogs aren't abused because they're always so friendly and 'happy' but they are that way for a reason :(
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Yeah i have seen this used Horrible!
They are not really creating typical seperation anxiety they are just using total solitary confinement as a way to train.
 
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