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Clodagh

Clodagh

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I know there are so many questions on here about worms but...
I would normally worm with pramox now in the autumn but I gather at 5 months Piper can't have it. Vets recommend pyratape P but that says to double dose for tapeworm.
So, do I...
Worm adult 3 with pramox and Piper with pyratape and if so does he have a double dose?
Worm them all with pyratape and double dose or not?
Vet said only double dose if they have tapeworm but seeing as I am not paying for vet to come out and blood test them all I'm going for the blanket approach.
 
Hi Clodagh. Worm your adult horse with Pramox. If he has been treated with pramox / equest for the last 12 month period, change chemical group and use a Pyrantel based wormer and double the dose using either pyratape / strongid P or Embotape but follow up with panacur five day guard to eliminate any encysted worm, after first frosts is best.

Double dose Piper with a Pyrantel based wormer (Strongid Embotape Strongid)and follow with equest or panacur five day guard after six months of age to eliminate encysted worms, again after first frost.

Embotape is the same chemical as Strongid P and Pyratape but a far more competative price.

Best price online is:

http://www.vetpharmacy.co.uk/equine-wormers/embotape/embotape-horse-wormer-1-pd-304.html

They do great bulk prices too for the larger studs.
 
Just found this Virbac Laboratories in France have recently published the result of studies into the safety of the use of Equimax (Ivermectin and praziquantel) is safe for pregnant mares and their foals to EU standards.

It was published in the October issue of the American Journal of Veterinary Research. and stated
"With ivermectin/praziquantel combination used as an anthelmintic in the horse, you can safely treat pregnant mares without any risk of abortion," and ... "treat the young foal without any risk of overdosing. (Deworm at 1 1/2 or two months of age.)"
 
Hi,

There are a wide range on wormers available for foals and pregnant mares. Even Equest is now licensed for pregnant mares and officially foals over 6 months of age. Equest Pramox still is NOT licensed for use in the pregnant mare.

The reason owners often like Equest is not only because of the broad spectrum of activity, but also the 13 week dosing interval. The thing is often people don't realise why there is a 13 week interval.

Equest works by absorbing into the fat within the horse's body and then slowly releasing (crudely) over that period. Obviously youngsters don't have much fat. Ergo it is very easy of overdose thin horses and the safety margin is much narrower than other wormers too, so the likelihood of overdose is more real.

Anyway, because of this I general recommend that anything under a year doesn't get Equest (often youngster's weight estimates are wildly off and weight tape that accurate for youngsters either). If the mare was well wormed during pregnancy then the foal should be ok until about 4-5 months before any worming is necessary and then generally round worms are the culprit so strongid will do them too.

Hope that helps a bit:o
Imogen
 
That was really helpful advice Imogen and my local tack shop said simular without the fat bit but did say about overdose safety and using strongid, so its nice to see it in writing.
 
Thank you for those answers, I'm sorry I haven't replied before my computer is very temperamental.
I normally only worm spring and autumn, all the horses, although Dixie has been done more this year. I am waiting for my free weigh tape to arrive and will do them all with the chemical you suggest. :-)
 
Clodagh said:
Thank you for those answers, I'm sorry I haven't replied before my computer is very temperamental.
I normally only worm spring and autumn, all the horses, although Dixie has been done more this year. I am waiting for my free weigh tape to arrive and will do them all with the chemical you suggest. :-)
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Use weigh tapes with care - they are good for guidance and trends, but can be inaccurate by 50kg or more depending on the horse and are certainly hopeless in foals/youngsters that are still not in the standard proportions! and no use at all in donkeys! :)

Good place to start though - an underuse cheap bit of kit nonetheless IMO.
Imogen
 
If the weigh tape won't be much help would anyone like to tell me how much they think a 14hh 5 month old foal might weigh? Please! Thank you.
 
Sorry to jump on board here but im starting to panic about what to worm my pregnant mare with, she is 4 months gone and we do worm counts so far hasnt needed worming but i know your supposed to for ape worm come autumn, but what is safe to use???

Thanks and sorry for hijacking!
 
last year we decided to join the intelligent worming program and haven't looked back. We get regular worm counts and wormers that are due are sent out.

perhaps it would be looked at as the lazier option but it certainly takes the hassle out of what wormer etc to give at what time and due to the fact that the worm counts have been coming back as low we have not been giving wormers that our horses didn't need which i'am convinced we have done in the past.
 
Researchers in Chillie came up with this formula from Thoroughbred foals
(wt = G2.9945 x 0.000088, where G is the girth measurement centimetres)

This sounds awful but if you have excel do the following
In column A cell 1 put your girth measurement of the foal in cm
In the second column B cell 1 type this =POWER(A1,2.9945)*0.000088 this gives you the weight in KG according to the formula.

This formula was found to be quite accurate for foals.
 
Found this that I did last year if you can read it had to convert it to a picture to get it on here and it might need a bit of updating but it's a handy guide. The info came from packets and the company websites. As you can see there are anomalies between brands using the same drug!

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Fantastic KarynK, thank you. Excel is beyond me but I'm sure teenage son can work it out!
Thanks a lot
 
Yes this is where the anomalies come in as some products have not been tested so they cannot claim they are safe!

Same drug combination Ivermectin & Praziquantel - EQVALAN DUO say after the first 3 months but EQUI-MAX say yes throughout pregnancy. Yet Praziquantel on it's own in EQUITAPE says no during pregnancy.

As Equi-Max has been well tested to 3x dose for pregnant mares I'd go with that one.

Praziquantel just does all three species of Tapeworms
Ivermectin does large and adult small redworm, bot and roundworm control lungworms, Hairworms, Intestinal + Neck threadworms

I have the table in an Excel spreadsheet and can put the foal weight formula in it so if anyone want's them PM me.
 
I have used a 3 year minimalist programme with dung sampling for 6 years now and every sample over the years has come back @under 50
My programme was done for me by a qualified person in the field ,she adjusts it as needed for my horse
 
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When you need to dose for tapeworms in pregnant mares then Equimax is a good choice as it has the license. The alternative is double dose pyrantel.

It does get confusing when the same drugs have different licenses.
 
KarynK said:
Just found this Virbac Laboratories in France have recently published the result of studies into the safety of the use of Equimax (Ivermectin and praziquantel) is safe for pregnant mares and their foals to EU standards.

It was published in the October issue of the American Journal of Veterinary Research. and stated
"With ivermectin/praziquantel combination used as an anthelmintic in the horse, you can safely treat pregnant mares without any risk of abortion," and ... "treat the young foal without any risk of overdosing. (Deworm at 1 1/2 or two months of age.)"
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This is what I use on my broodmares right up to foaling and after plus a dose for baby. I've have had no problems with it.
 
This all sounds very helpful, as I have a crap memory (must be the age) can anyone tell me how I can save all this info for further reference?
Thanks Tea and chocy hobnobs on me
 
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