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Thats all very well and good Tamba - well done for turning around that horse - but have you thought about the fact that the OP's horse may well end up in the hands of someone not so gifted as you, the OP cannot possibly ensure a home for life if she gives this horse to someone else. She has already said that their trainer (a professional) has stated that there is no certain future for the horse.

You have to remember that once a horse has gone, its gone. Its not cruel, its not going to look down from rainbow bridge with a huge grudge and chip on its shoulder wishing it had lived longer to experience the sales rings!

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Yes, I understand the horse could end up with the wrong owner, however if you have a look at project horses web site, there are about 50 horses on it at one time, with all kinds of behavioural issues. If you are honest about what you have, there are people out here who would be delighted to have the horse. ( If I didnt have 7, I wouldnt say no)
Any horse you sell, you cannot guarantee they will end up in good hands, but thats the risk you take, when you sell.
That horse could still have a lovely home, with people to love it.. regardless of its behaviour. Its only a young horse, and from what I understand from this post, the horse has not been properly checked, back, etc, and it could very well be pain related. I have expereience with many horses int he past, who are unhappy due to pain, and having just read the first post regarding buying the horse, it only cost her 600. pounds, which makes one think there could be a pain issue, and it hasnt been investigated properly from what I have read.
I dont care how much others disagree, I believe a horse should be given a chance to live a happy life.
 
Perhaps, Tamba, it is time to put your money where your mouth is. Either volunteer to give this horse a home yourself, or find someone experienced and willing enough to take him on.
 
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Any horse you sell, you cannot guarantee they will end up in good hands, but thats the risk you take, when you sell.


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And you have just hit the nail on the head - that is a risk that the the OP is not willing to take and I respect her wholeheartedly for that responsible decision.

Maybe you have to be a mother to see the priorities in life.
 
So based on what you've heard about the horse on the forum, you wouldn't take him on yourself? Why then would you suggest the OP sell him on?
Everyone IS entitled to an opinion. Even if that opinion is that you have an irresponsible and foolhardy attitude to dangerous horses. SOME horses improve, some do not. It's really not your place to accuse the OP of cruelty/heard heartedness precisely because you do NOT know that this horse is NOT a complete headcase. Why do you not trust the OP's judgement on this and give them the benefit of the doubt?
 
You do what you think is right for this horse. If PTS is the way foreward then do it. If he is a nutter to ride and a nutter on the ground then it would be irresponsible to sell him on. You are on the right track considering this option. My mare is quirky. Nappy, spins, rodeo's, dominant on the ground if you don't set boundries etc. I think that I would rather have her PTS then sell her on to an uncertain future. You do what you feel is right by the horse. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Its your decision.
Good luck, and well done for finding something more suited to your daughter
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Riding should be fun and when you are constantly being dumped, I don't know about anyone else but that isn't fun!
 
I haven't read all the the posts but am pleased to see that a sensible decision has been made for you, your daughter and the horse. With the problems your boy has it is very sensible to ensure he will not fall onto bad times.

I always said that if I couldn't afford to keep my old boy, that I would PTS as he had so many issues that I hated to think of where he would end up. As it was nature took its course and he was PTS last christmas due to colic. While I miss him terribly, there is also the relief that he is now beyond harm and pain and I do not have to dodge hooves or teeth.
 
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sorry, but I cant believe that you think thats a solution for your horse, you took on the responsibiliy of him, and just because you want a new one, thats a real sad day for your old horse.. (dont you have any feelings?)

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Tamba..... get over it......clearly you have never had the misfortune to know / own a dangerous horse!
Many of these horses do actually have phsyical problems that are not found until after they are PTS.
It would be both unforgivable and unbearable to pass on a animal with issues such as this. Far better a certain fate than an uncertain future IMO

To the OP - PTS is absolutely the right decision

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I couldn't agree more.

An experienced friend of mine bought a horse which was fine at first but became more and more unpredictable. After he had broken her arm for the second time a very experienced trainer recommened that he be PTS before he killed someone.

They did a post mortem and it showed that the horse had a brain tumour which probably explanined his dangerous behaviour.
 
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Thats all very well and good Tamba - well done for turning around that horse - but have you thought about the fact that the OP's horse may well end up in the hands of someone not so gifted as you, the OP cannot possibly ensure a home for life if she gives this horse to someone else. She has already said that their trainer (a professional) has stated that there is no certain future for the horse.

You have to remember that once a horse has gone, its gone. Its not cruel, its not going to look down from rainbow bridge with a huge grudge and chip on its shoulder wishing it had lived longer to experience the sales rings!

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Yes, I understand the horse could end up with the wrong owner, however if you have a look at project horses web site, there are about 50 horses on it at one time, with all kinds of behavioural issues. If you are honest about what you have, there are people out here who would be delighted to have the horse. ( If I didnt have 7, I wouldnt say no)
Any horse you sell, you cannot guarantee they will end up in good hands, but thats the risk you take, when you sell.
That horse could still have a lovely home, with people to love it.. regardless of its behaviour. Its only a young horse, and from what I understand from this post, the horse has not been properly checked, back, etc, and it could very well be pain related. I have expereience with many horses int he past, who are unhappy due to pain, and having just read the first post regarding buying the horse, it only cost her 600. pounds, which makes one think there could be a pain issue, and it hasnt been investigated properly from what I have read.
I dont care how much others disagree, I believe a horse should be given a chance to live a happy life.

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I have said this a million time, his back/teeth and EVERYTHING else has been checked! You said he is young, he is almost 12 now which I know many people who won't buy horses older than this, so theres even less chance of someone taking a dangerous, older one on. He was advertised as £1200 and we thought we had brought the price down to 600 but obviously she just wanted rid! I'm sure I probably could find a home for him, but that isn't the point. I'm not sure I want to find a home for him. If he was improving with training- I would, but he isn't.
 
Don't let some people get to you Getcape. You have clearly thought long & hard about this & having gone through all the options decided to prioritise human life & making sure the horse doesn't have a long slow horrible fate over avoiding taking hard decisions. Most of us can't see anything wrong with that.
 
Have you had the horse assessed by someone new though? I know you have a trainer but not all trainers are experienced in dealing with horses with issues, even though you may think they are.

I had a horse with issues when I was a teenager, he liked to rear, never went over, but was just a nappy rearer. I was in the PC so had lots of lessons etc with 'qualified' people. None of them were any help. But 15 years on, if I knew the people I know now back then - it would have been a different story and he would most likely not be a problem horse. Fwiw I did sell mine (went to uni), told them everything - he was great to hack and xc but sj he would stand on two legs.

Just saying it might be good to get a second, third and fourth opinion from different trainers, not everyone sees or has the same problems with horses. For example, my current horse is fine with me, but put my mum on him, who is more nervous (only done it once when she insisted on it!) and he ran off (I think people use the term 'bolted' to freely on this forum) and my sister on her horse has to pull him to a stop. Now he would never ever do that with me or my sister on.
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Have you had the horse assessed by someone new though? I know you have a trainer but not all trainers are experienced in dealing with horses with issues, even though you may think they are.


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If I;m going to be honest I don't know how much more money I can pump into this horse. If this was our old pony, I wouldn't have put him to sleep or sold him, I would have done everything in my power to "fix" him or keep him as a pet. But Boomer, I don't see him as a pet. I don't like him. Yeah sure, i feel bad for maybe putting him to sleep and but I don't think of him as a pet. I have already gave him a chance and if he wasn't as bad as he is I would sell him or loan etc but I don't want to always be wondering if he's ok/he has hurt someone. I think it's best he is pts. I have made my mind up and after the Christmas period we are going to let him go. I'm sorry if this upsets some people but I'm sure a lot worse could happen to him, I just can't fund 2 horses, we have kept him long enough already. So thanks for everyones help as I probably would have loaned or sold otherwise!
 
In light of the circumstances a very very sensible decision for both you and the horse.

A decision that has ensured his well being and humans safety

I take my hat off too you
 
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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Really hope you are never in a position in your life where you are not given every chance possible beacuse someone doesn't like you.....
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Oh pleeease. Have you read the original thread???? Why do you think the OP doesn't like the horse? I don't like dangerous horses either. It's not a case of her 'just not liking him' *rolls eyes*
 
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Have you had the horse assessed by someone new though? I know you have a trainer but not all trainers are experienced in dealing with horses with issues, even though you may think they are.


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If I;m going to be honest I don't know how much more money I can pump into this horse. If this was our old pony, I wouldn't have put him to sleep or sold him, I would have done everything in my power to "fix" him or keep him as a pet. But Boomer, I don't see him as a pet. I don't like him. Yeah sure, i feel bad for maybe putting him to sleep and but I don't think of him as a pet. I have already gave him a chance and if he wasn't as bad as he is I would sell him or loan etc but I don't want to always be wondering if he's ok/he has hurt someone. I think it's best he is pts. I have made my mind up and after the Christmas period we are going to let him go. I'm sorry if this upsets some people but I'm sure a lot worse could happen to him, I just can't fund 2 horses, we have kept him long enough already. So thanks for everyones help as I probably would have loaned or sold otherwise!

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I think that's a pretty sensible move TBH - I wouldn't like him much either in your shoes! This way you never have to wonder whether he's put someone in hospital (or worse), and he never has to go through the sales ring or be beaten up because of his behaviour.
 
Getcape, don't feel you have to keep coming back and justifying yourself. I think most people here applaud your responsible decision. Its a bloody awful, horrible thing to do and I don't envy you being in this position - but it shines out that you are a strong and sensible person.

I hope that you feel happy enough to keep using this forum for advice or general chats in the future and I wish your daughter and her new ride much success in the New Year.
 
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Thats all very well and good Tamba - well done for turning around that horse - but have you thought about the fact that the OP's horse may well end up in the hands of someone not so gifted as you, the OP cannot possibly ensure a home for life if she gives this horse to someone else. She has already said that their trainer (a professional) has stated that there is no certain future for the horse.

You have to remember that once a horse has gone, its gone. Its not cruel, its not going to look down from rainbow bridge with a huge grudge and chip on its shoulder wishing it had lived longer to experience the sales rings!

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Yes, I understand the horse could end up with the wrong owner, however if you have a look at project horses web site, there are about 50 horses on it at one time, with all kinds of behavioural issues. If you are honest about what you have, there are people out here who would be delighted to have the horse. ( If I didnt have 7, I wouldnt say no)
Any horse you sell, you cannot guarantee they will end up in good hands, but thats the risk you take, when you sell.
That horse could still have a lovely home, with people to love it.. regardless of its behaviour. Its only a young horse, and from what I understand from this post, the horse has not been properly checked, back, etc, and it could very well be pain related. I have expereience with many horses int he past, who are unhappy due to pain, and having just read the first post regarding buying the horse, it only cost her 600. pounds, which makes one think there could be a pain issue, and it hasnt been investigated properly from what I have read.
I dont care how much others disagree, I believe a horse should be given a chance to live a happy life.

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Yes but most of them on project horses are not really dangerous horses, there horses that have mild issues (like divvy parelli owners for example) most are in fact fine. I train and sell horses - often ones that nap, rear a bit ect...I would never ever sell a horse on that still had problems. the OP's horse is a genuinely dangerous animal, whoever sold it to a 16YO should be shot. The poor woman is trying to make the one responsible decision for it IE put to sleep. There are plenty of good quiet horses crying out for decent homes, save them instead.
I too believe horses should have a happy life, but not whilst endangering human life.
 
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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Really hope you are never in a position in your life where you are not given every chance possible beacuse someone doesn't like you.....
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.....couldnt agree more with everything that Tinselface has said..who understands how a horse can be misunderstood, and a real advocate for horses, not of the opinion that we can play God and take a healthy horses life as we please.
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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Really hope you are never in a position in your life where you are not given every chance possible beacuse someone doesn't like you.....
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.....couldnt agree more with everything that Tinselface has said..who understands how a horse can be misunderstood, and a real advocate for horses, not of the opinion that we can play God and take a healthy horses life as we please.
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Oh for goodness sake get a grip and stop being so flipping ridiculously sanctimonious
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Either offer the horse a home (ie put your money whether your mouth is) or shut up trying to give the OP a guilt complex
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The horse is obviously NOT healthy if it has the behavioural problems described, why on earth does everyone assume that "healthy" refers only to physical health
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For whatever reason, mental health can play a huge part in an animals life too
 
Just read your original thread and he sounds exactly like a horse i use to own about 2 years ago, same height and age. Hope everything works out well.
 
Obviously the op has not taken this decision lightly. my horse had major issues, she seemed fine when i got her. i had limited options, i am too woosey to pts and i couldn't sell her as it wouldn't have been right for her or any prospective owner. I did see something in her, despite being frightened of her. so we worked on it and it all got sorted, she is a fab horse now, but her problems were emotional. It sounds to me, that his horse has bigger issues than that. Unfortunately, some things can't be sorted.
How would you feel if he did damage to even one of these pros who claim to be able to turn horses around.
It is a horrible situation, but you have to do what's right for the horse.
even now, if something happened where i couldn't keep my girl, i couldn't pass her on to anyone as it wouldn't take a lot for her to revert to what she was.
You are being responsible by doing what you are doing. I am a tree hugger and proud of it and totally believe that a healthy horse should be given the best possible chance, which this one has, but common sense must prevail.
 
Im with the same veiw as chestnuttymare, earlier posts as you can see i was all for trying to help him with training etc but the more getcape says about him the more sensible PTS seems. She seems to have tried everything! Sometimes its not just viable to keep a horse like this one alive, hes not even safe to handle and is a real risk to a 16yr old child. Well done for making such a brave decision
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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Really hope you are never in a position in your life where you are not given every chance possible beacuse someone doesn't like you.....
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.....couldnt agree more with everything that Tinselface has said..who understands how a horse can be misunderstood, and a real advocate for horses, not of the opinion that we can play God and take a healthy horses life as we please.
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Don't be absurd. You know perfectly well it's not purely a case of 'not liking' the horse
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How much money do you think the OP should throw at this horse? How many experts is enough before deciding a horse is dangerous and unfit to ride? Why on EARTH would you advocate passing the problem on to someone else? If she sold it/gave it away, how much money do you think anyone would invest in a horse that has (sorry to be so blunt) absolutely nothing going for him except for the fact that he's a horse? How much money would YOU put into it? A thousand? Several thousand? Why? I'd certainly not risk that kind of money on an unproven and dangerous horse. IMO there are FAR worse things that could happen to him than being PTS humanely now. As you yourself have said, you can't guarantee what will happen to a horse once you sell it and he could easily end up as meat when the next person decides he's not their cup of tea. OR he could severely injure someone. Perhaps a bunny hugger who believes Disney. Course if you want to risk your own neck, then please go ahead. Honestly; if you DID have the space, would you take him? And if things didn't work out, would you keep him forever?
 
QR: I feel a bit sorry for Getcape now - I think it is quite clear that the majority of us support her suggestion and I fear that she might not feel easy about coming on here and asking for advice/a general chat in the future about her daughter and her new horse simply because we are dragging out this thread.

I think it might be a case of a never ending argument if we continue and it would be such a shame if she missed out on the amazing wealth of knowledge that this forum provides when someone has an everyday problem.

Perhaps we should all agree to disagree and welcome Getcape or her daughter in the New Year.
 
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QR: I feel a bit sorry for Getcape now - I think it is quite clear that the majority of us support her suggestion and I fear that she might not feel easy about coming on here and asking for advice/a general chat in the future about her daughter and her new horse simply because we are dragging out this thread.

I think it might be a case of a never ending argument if we continue and it would be such a shame if she missed out on the amazing wealth of knowledge that this forum provides when someone has an everyday problem.

Perhaps we should all agree to disagree and welcome Getcape or her daughter in the New Year.

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Second this
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Thanks Ravenwood
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I don't like him.

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Great. I'm really glad for your horse that someone who doesn't like him bought him.
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.....couldnt agree more with everything that Tinselface has said..who understands how a horse can be misunderstood, and a real advocate for horses, not of the opinion that we can play God and take a healthy horses life as we please.
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Oh for goodness sake get a grip and stop being so flipping ridiculously sanctimonious
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Either offer the horse a home (ie put your money whether your mouth is) or shut up trying to give the OP a guilt complex
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The horse is obviously NOT healthy if it has the behavioural problems described, why on earth does everyone assume that "healthy" refers only to physical health
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totally agree.

i am on side with the op and i think they are actually being realistic i would hate to think i had a dangerous horse that i sold on and someone got hurt or killed even.

Those people who do not have anything supportive or constructive to say then please shut-up or offer to take the horse and train or help it. Bunch of fannies
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As for the op i thing you are doing the right decision. And good luck please report back with more information on this situation. GOOD LUCK!
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QR: I feel a bit sorry for Getcape now - I think it is quite clear that the majority of us support her suggestion and I fear that she might not feel easy about coming on here and asking for advice/a general chat in the future about her daughter and her new horse simply because we are dragging out this thread.

I think it might be a case of a never ending argument if we continue and it would be such a shame if she missed out on the amazing wealth of knowledge that this forum provides when someone has an everyday problem.

Perhaps we should all agree to disagree and welcome Getcape or her daughter in the New Year.

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sorry RW didnt see this post as was reading throw all posts agree with what you say too.
 
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