0ldmare
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Hmm, having seen the answers to various questions and the extra information I am not getting such a good feeling on this one
You might have to tackle daughter on it if the experienced help doesnt work
Worried About Daughters New Horse (sorry if long!)
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Cedars
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I would get your daughter to have lessons once a week, and NOT to ride the horse apart from that - but spend lots of time teaching it stable manners, things like how to back up. If needs be, lunge it, but I would keep her off him as much as possible until they start to take steps forward.
I would really spend time teaching him stable manners, grooming him, working with him in the field.
Then, if after 6 months of weekly lessons there still is no improvement (oh, and before this get boomers back xrayed, our mare did exactly this and it turned out to be stomach ulcers and kissing spines) you have to sell him. Your daughter will get over it - she'll never get over some of the injuries she could sustain if she carries on this way.
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I would really spend time teaching him stable manners, grooming him, working with him in the field.
Then, if after 6 months of weekly lessons there still is no improvement (oh, and before this get boomers back xrayed, our mare did exactly this and it turned out to be stomach ulcers and kissing spines) you have to sell him. Your daughter will get over it - she'll never get over some of the injuries she could sustain if she carries on this way.
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millitiger
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IMO, there's a pretty big difference between a pony who's a handful and a 16.1 who drops you. I also had a horror of a pony which I'm very greatful for riding wise and confidence wise. I've since had a big sports horse with a tendency for fecking off and chucking me and have the long term injuries to show for it (which really could have been a lot worse).
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can't really see the difference when you are getting reared up vertical (and occasionally going over backwards with!).
and falling off on the road in rush hour, in Windsor in the peeing rain, losing conciousness and pony disappearing at a rate of knots is pretty scary regardless of the size of the horse!
i actually did myself more long term damage (totally knackered knee cartilage) falling off that pony than i've done falling off 17hh+ horses; which i've also done a fair bit of!
IMO, there's a pretty big difference between a pony who's a handful and a 16.1 who drops you. I also had a horror of a pony which I'm very greatful for riding wise and confidence wise. I've since had a big sports horse with a tendency for fecking off and chucking me and have the long term injuries to show for it (which really could have been a lot worse).
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can't really see the difference when you are getting reared up vertical (and occasionally going over backwards with!).
and falling off on the road in rush hour, in Windsor in the peeing rain, losing conciousness and pony disappearing at a rate of knots is pretty scary regardless of the size of the horse!
i actually did myself more long term damage (totally knackered knee cartilage) falling off that pony than i've done falling off 17hh+ horses; which i've also done a fair bit of!
nijinsky
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I bought my 16.3 TBx as a very green rising 6yo & I was even more green but I still have her 10 years on, it worked out ok for us. She was never a tricky horse to ride but a nightmare to handle. When she first came off the lorry I thought OMG what have I done - she's huge & I know nothing.
She still can be a nightmare to handle, she'll decide half way back to the stables that she actually doesn't want to go in & tanks off back to the field, I don't even bother trying to hang on anymore
Not sure what vetting, if any, you had done (sorry if I have missed that you did), but I would get him checked over completely just to put your mind at rest that he is actually being naughty & not in any kind of pain or discomfort. If all is well with him definitely get some help with training & handling him, a 16.1 is a hell of lot different to handling a 13.2.
I would agree and set a time scale to see if his behaviour can be sorted out and hopefully with time & more experienced help and it doesn't have to be professinonal help, maybe just someone who's experienced with TBs all could work out fine.
I sympathise with you as dealing with the 16yo is probably harder than dealing with the 16.1hh
She still can be a nightmare to handle, she'll decide half way back to the stables that she actually doesn't want to go in & tanks off back to the field, I don't even bother trying to hang on anymore
Not sure what vetting, if any, you had done (sorry if I have missed that you did), but I would get him checked over completely just to put your mind at rest that he is actually being naughty & not in any kind of pain or discomfort. If all is well with him definitely get some help with training & handling him, a 16.1 is a hell of lot different to handling a 13.2.
I would agree and set a time scale to see if his behaviour can be sorted out and hopefully with time & more experienced help and it doesn't have to be professinonal help, maybe just someone who's experienced with TBs all could work out fine.
I sympathise with you as dealing with the 16yo is probably harder than dealing with the 16.1hh
ladyt25
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I would certainly get his back checked to rule out any problems there and also at the same time get the saddle checked by a professional. It could be something simple to put right.
The bolshyness on the ground though needs to be worked on. My horse is and always has been a sod, he barges out his door, will barge through people etc etc. But, that's his only faulty really. I lead him in an eskadron chain headcollar now so that stops him b*ggering off when being led. he can also be one - when in high spirits - to kick/buck when excited in thefield - he does not mean/want to kick people that's not his nature but he has caught my mum once so we do have to be wary!
You're in W Yorks - where did you get this horse form? It is just the horse's name rings the bell and I can't think why or where from or if I am getting mixed up with something else!
I would want to speak to the people you got him from, try find out more about his history and behaviour if you don't know already. I think behaviour like this can be worked on but it's finding out why that is the first thing that needs doing.
Oh and, as others said, get a good instructor. I actually know of someone (in harewood) who works with problem horses. she isn't cheap though but it could be worth a session or a few with her
The bolshyness on the ground though needs to be worked on. My horse is and always has been a sod, he barges out his door, will barge through people etc etc. But, that's his only faulty really. I lead him in an eskadron chain headcollar now so that stops him b*ggering off when being led. he can also be one - when in high spirits - to kick/buck when excited in thefield - he does not mean/want to kick people that's not his nature but he has caught my mum once so we do have to be wary!
You're in W Yorks - where did you get this horse form? It is just the horse's name rings the bell and I can't think why or where from or if I am getting mixed up with something else!
I would want to speak to the people you got him from, try find out more about his history and behaviour if you don't know already. I think behaviour like this can be worked on but it's finding out why that is the first thing that needs doing.
Oh and, as others said, get a good instructor. I actually know of someone (in harewood) who works with problem horses. she isn't cheap though but it could be worth a session or a few with her
Kat
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I agree with Janet George you need a professional that is experienced in dealing with this sort of thing.
Not all instructors are, they vary a lot depending upon where they trained, how they earn their living and where their interests lie. I've had several really good instructors and a few not so great ones and some would be great for helping with something like this, others of very little use at all!
Post your location, I know you are in west yorkshire, but whereabouts and maybe someone on here will know someone suitable or might even be able to help you themselves.
You need to either get serious help in or send him away for schooling so that he is safe. It doesn't sound like you and your daughter are equipped to deal with this.
Not all instructors are, they vary a lot depending upon where they trained, how they earn their living and where their interests lie. I've had several really good instructors and a few not so great ones and some would be great for helping with something like this, others of very little use at all!
Post your location, I know you are in west yorkshire, but whereabouts and maybe someone on here will know someone suitable or might even be able to help you themselves.
You need to either get serious help in or send him away for schooling so that he is safe. It doesn't sound like you and your daughter are equipped to deal with this.
Suzie86
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As everyone has said, there is def the possibility that he is in pain or uncomfortable for some reason. However, and this is just my opinion maybe he's just taking the p**s??! They are a new partnership and your daughter is moving from a little pony to a bigger stronger horse and maybe he's just trying his luck to see what he can get away with? If that is the case then I guess you just need to persevere, be firm and confident when handling and riding. Don't let him get away with naughtiness but praise him when he behaves. As for riding, would def suggest regular lessons and if she does hack out then do it in quiet company and wearing a bp. Maybe the naughtiness in the school is down to him being bored if she doesnt really hack out anymore, so he's playing up?It's hard to say though isnt it without seeing them together but definitely get someone experienced involved to help. Give them time and maybe they will make a great partnership in the end
Booboos
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OK, here's another way of looking at it. If you had posted on here and said that your daughter was looking for her first horse after her beloved pony was sold and you had seen a 16.1hh gelding for 600 pounds that had bucked her off when trying it, would not hack, can take off, has no competition record and is difficult to handle, I think everyone would advise you to run a mile!
The horse is unsuitable. There is an off-chance it will make your daughter a better rider in terms of staying on insane horses, but there is a much greater chance it will hurt her and/or put her off horses altogether.
The main problem is how to get your daughter to see this, as, quite naturally, she is attached to the horse. Maybe show her this thread, or sit her down and ask her to imagine what she would do if the horse had to be retired, would she feel relieved or happy? I appreciate it's good for her to learn the value of money but you may want to help her out with a new horse. For 2,000-3,000 pound she should be able to get a sensible first horse to have fun with and if you can help her with buying one she will be more willing to consider retiring the current horse. Going out to try a few horses that are more suitable might also open her eyes to the possibilities.
The horse is unsuitable. There is an off-chance it will make your daughter a better rider in terms of staying on insane horses, but there is a much greater chance it will hurt her and/or put her off horses altogether.
The main problem is how to get your daughter to see this, as, quite naturally, she is attached to the horse. Maybe show her this thread, or sit her down and ask her to imagine what she would do if the horse had to be retired, would she feel relieved or happy? I appreciate it's good for her to learn the value of money but you may want to help her out with a new horse. For 2,000-3,000 pound she should be able to get a sensible first horse to have fun with and if you can help her with buying one she will be more willing to consider retiring the current horse. Going out to try a few horses that are more suitable might also open her eyes to the possibilities.
Lolo
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i too am sorry you are in this dilemma and i know how you feel as i have been in a very similar situation
We had a TBX on loan who initially was lovely but as she got fitter and stronger became a complete nightmare. To get her to the field was terrifying and bringing her in was even worse and i am resonably experienced with tricky horses
When i sugested to my daughter that the horse should go, daughter was insistent that she could work throgh the bucking/ rearing/ napping etc and i agreed to persevere for a while longer
However in the end- against my daughters wishes i phoned the owner and took the horse back.
There were tears and sulks for a while until we found another horse who although was quirky at least kept her feet on the ground and didnt try to kill me when i turned her out
When all is said and done you only have one daughter and her safety has to come first. There are hundreds of horses out there who would be glad of the lovely home that you can offer- look in the loan section of your local ad-trader or a local rescue centre.
Good luck with whatever you decide- it wont be easy but i would urge to get rid of this horse before something awful happens
We had a TBX on loan who initially was lovely but as she got fitter and stronger became a complete nightmare. To get her to the field was terrifying and bringing her in was even worse and i am resonably experienced with tricky horses
When i sugested to my daughter that the horse should go, daughter was insistent that she could work throgh the bucking/ rearing/ napping etc and i agreed to persevere for a while longer
However in the end- against my daughters wishes i phoned the owner and took the horse back.
There were tears and sulks for a while until we found another horse who although was quirky at least kept her feet on the ground and didnt try to kill me when i turned her out
When all is said and done you only have one daughter and her safety has to come first. There are hundreds of horses out there who would be glad of the lovely home that you can offer- look in the loan section of your local ad-trader or a local rescue centre.
Good luck with whatever you decide- it wont be easy but i would urge to get rid of this horse before something awful happens
soph21
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IMO, I would sell him and cut my losses, your daughters life is much more important than keeoing a potentially dangerous horse
I know you have had his back/teeth/tack etc checked so theres got to be a mentallity problem surely?
Theres plenty of other horses out there at his size (if that size is a must) that will carry your daughter safely and look after her
I know its good for kids to learn the hard way, but theres a difference between the two
Good luck
And welcome to the forum!
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I know you have had his back/teeth/tack etc checked so theres got to be a mentallity problem surely?
Theres plenty of other horses out there at his size (if that size is a must) that will carry your daughter safely and look after her
I know its good for kids to learn the hard way, but theres a difference between the two
Good luck
And welcome to the forum!
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Haha
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QR. At sixteen they disagree with most things so your the adult if the horse is dangerous get rid. Sorry been here done this OH ended up in hospital and now can't ride anymore due to back injury. It's not worth it let someone who is more experienced take the horse on as a project. If your daughter and her instructor in five months have made no difference another six months will only give the horse chance to injure your daughter. I'm sorry but sometimes they do over estimate there own capabilities and will not admit that they cannot handle it.
soph21
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Haha. Well put lol! I cant type what I mean, but thats what I meant
Achinghips
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Get vet advice - quick - and ask for an xray - quick. Alarm bells ring for me re possible kissing spine, early onset arthritis or something similar. Yes it'll be expensive but so what? - get a loan or something - your daughters safety is at risk. This is your highest priority.
If he passes medical, you then need a consultation with an animal behaviourist - and a trainer/experienced person who can help her implement the recommendations.
If he passes medical, you then need a consultation with an animal behaviourist - and a trainer/experienced person who can help her implement the recommendations.
Skittles
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i had a right horror of a 14.2hh pony when i was 12.
he was my first pony, me and my mum were totally inexperienced.
he used to rear vertical a lot, nap badly, drop his shoulder etc etc and used to deck me extremely regularly.
i loved him but he scared the crap out of me!
i came off on the roads a few times, had the ambulance out as well and got banned from Pony Club because he was so naughty!!
my mum never said a word to me about him and just let me get on with it.
i owned him for 4 years and am so glad my mum didn't intervere as that pony made me the rider i am now!
i am not phased by naughty horses now and he taught me a lot about how to ask 'nicely' and how to get results out of quirky horses.
i am now 23 and my mum has only recently told me how she used to lie awake at night worrying about how i was going to get killed by the pony and how much she hated me riding him.
she tried to put me off riding him by refusing to give me a lift to the yard so i would cycle a 10 mile round trip before and after school, getting up at 5am to get him done.
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Thanks. It's good to hear it's not just me worrying, but keeping the damn horse.
I'm glad you're not phazed by naughty horses anymore, I think I should just let her get on with it after all!
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No you must get help. A very experienced friend of mine had a tiny fall in May and now will never walk again.
£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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i had a right horror of a 14.2hh pony when i was 12.
he was my first pony, me and my mum were totally inexperienced.
he used to rear vertical a lot, nap badly, drop his shoulder etc etc and used to deck me extremely regularly.
i loved him but he scared the crap out of me!
i came off on the roads a few times, had the ambulance out as well and got banned from Pony Club because he was so naughty!!
my mum never said a word to me about him and just let me get on with it.
i owned him for 4 years and am so glad my mum didn't intervere as that pony made me the rider i am now!
i am not phased by naughty horses now and he taught me a lot about how to ask 'nicely' and how to get results out of quirky horses.
i am now 23 and my mum has only recently told me how she used to lie awake at night worrying about how i was going to get killed by the pony and how much she hated me riding him.
she tried to put me off riding him by refusing to give me a lift to the yard so i would cycle a 10 mile round trip before and after school, getting up at 5am to get him done.
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Thanks. It's good to hear it's not just me worrying, but keeping the damn horse.
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No you must get help. A very experienced friend of mine had a tiny fall in May and now will never walk again.
£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
TGM
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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legaldancer
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No you must get help. A very experienced friend of mine had a tiny fall in May and now will never walk again.
£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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I agree, £600 is not too much to lose. I bought a horse for 4.5 k who was nappy & took the mickey. I persevered for 4 years, thinking it was down to me. In the end I took a loss of over 1.5 K because I wasn't prepared to get hurt & it had knocked my confidence. I threw a lot of money at it, sending it away etc & I'd have been better just to sell the wretched animal after 6 months, as things didn't really change during that time. The horse was much better on a proffessional yard being worked every day, hunted at weekends & in a routine where he was worked with others every day.
I think this horse has a history & that's why he was so cheap. I would hate your daughter to get hurt. I'd get rid & buy her another in its place.
No you must get help. A very experienced friend of mine had a tiny fall in May and now will never walk again.
£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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I agree, £600 is not too much to lose. I bought a horse for 4.5 k who was nappy & took the mickey. I persevered for 4 years, thinking it was down to me. In the end I took a loss of over 1.5 K because I wasn't prepared to get hurt & it had knocked my confidence. I threw a lot of money at it, sending it away etc & I'd have been better just to sell the wretched animal after 6 months, as things didn't really change during that time. The horse was much better on a proffessional yard being worked every day, hunted at weekends & in a routine where he was worked with others every day.
I think this horse has a history & that's why he was so cheap. I would hate your daughter to get hurt. I'd get rid & buy her another in its place.
pearcider
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Hi
ive read this whole post and agree with most of what you are saying but...
please dont write the horse off just because it was so cheap. many people are going through hard times at the moment this may be why the above horse was reduced so much . Yes I agree it does make you wonder why the last owner will not get back in contact.
I really feel you should get an instructor in to help school your horse and teach your daughter. you say you are not sure if you can afford this but this would be like putting a price on your daughters saftey.
I always think an intense 2/3 weekschooling program sorts most horses out. If your daughter was to have lessons in this time too after a month it will be money well spent. You could have 1 lesson a week but what happens the other 6 days? Plus it will take 6mths to get the horse going as well. As you only paid £600 for the horse and it was advertised for £1200 I would suggest saying you will spend £600 on training if the horse has not improved then rethink the situatuon.
I have had myself and have schooled many 'problem' horses for people and find most horses can get through the problem if they are nice temps.
You should also seek advice from you vet as your horse should have back, teeth, saddle and a mini vetting to check its all ok before spending time on schooling. Any good instructor will advise this. Most vets can recommend a rider/instructor to use.
ive read this whole post and agree with most of what you are saying but...
please dont write the horse off just because it was so cheap. many people are going through hard times at the moment this may be why the above horse was reduced so much . Yes I agree it does make you wonder why the last owner will not get back in contact.
I really feel you should get an instructor in to help school your horse and teach your daughter. you say you are not sure if you can afford this but this would be like putting a price on your daughters saftey.
I always think an intense 2/3 weekschooling program sorts most horses out. If your daughter was to have lessons in this time too after a month it will be money well spent. You could have 1 lesson a week but what happens the other 6 days? Plus it will take 6mths to get the horse going as well. As you only paid £600 for the horse and it was advertised for £1200 I would suggest saying you will spend £600 on training if the horse has not improved then rethink the situatuon.
I have had myself and have schooled many 'problem' horses for people and find most horses can get through the problem if they are nice temps.
You should also seek advice from you vet as your horse should have back, teeth, saddle and a mini vetting to check its all ok before spending time on schooling. Any good instructor will advise this. Most vets can recommend a rider/instructor to use.
legaldancer
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The best horse I ever had was only £850, because (I think) he was a little quirky, but although bad tempered, he never once bucked despite being diagnosed with kissing spines. He was a bit nappy, but was in no way dangerous. So I know good horses can be found cheap.
However, the OP's horse sounds dangerous & nasty. No wonder the last owners wanted a quick sale. I think they would have been in touch if they & the horse were genuine.
However, the OP's horse sounds dangerous & nasty. No wonder the last owners wanted a quick sale. I think they would have been in touch if they & the horse were genuine.
Tinypony
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You could spend a lot of time and money on instructors, but they don't always have the skills to deal with a bolting horse. I would get in touch with this man, and see if either he, or someone he can recommend could help. http://www.sinningtonmanor.co.uk/
It is stupid for your daughter to keep riding a horse that is throwing her off and running off with her, particularly when she's out on her own! It only takes one wrong fall and we end up in a wheelchair. Whether or not you want to spend the money it would take to get a good trainer to at least assess him is another matter. If not maybe send him to a selling livery where he can be properly assessed and sold on.
I wouldn't carry on as you are for another 6 months, it's too dangerous.
It is stupid for your daughter to keep riding a horse that is throwing her off and running off with her, particularly when she's out on her own! It only takes one wrong fall and we end up in a wheelchair. Whether or not you want to spend the money it would take to get a good trainer to at least assess him is another matter. If not maybe send him to a selling livery where he can be properly assessed and sold on.
I wouldn't carry on as you are for another 6 months, it's too dangerous.
legaldancer
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I should add that he didn't have kissing spines when I bought him - that wasn't the reason he was cheap. I mentioned that as it doesn't necessarily give them an excuse to behave badly.
stencilface
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If you are in west yorks I would give this lady a go (think she is mentioned above?)
http://www.saraussher.co.uk/
She works with 'problem' horses and gets good results, her daughter has just competed at the eventing pony europeans on a pony that was previously unrideable.
Don't know which is best first, full workover by vet or an assessment by a person experienced with difficult horses and natural horsemanship, as someone good at natural horsemanship should be able to tell you if the horse is naughty, or in pain
Good luck! Where did you buy him from btw, as I remember a horse called boomer in the area I think, but can't quite place him
http://www.saraussher.co.uk/
She works with 'problem' horses and gets good results, her daughter has just competed at the eventing pony europeans on a pony that was previously unrideable.
Don't know which is best first, full workover by vet or an assessment by a person experienced with difficult horses and natural horsemanship, as someone good at natural horsemanship should be able to tell you if the horse is naughty, or in pain
Good luck! Where did you buy him from btw, as I remember a horse called boomer in the area I think, but can't quite place him
Spudlet
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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That's just what I was thinking too
I would still eliminate any possible causes of pain first, but this is sounding more and more serious.
If you do end up having to let him go, try somewhere like Project Horses as people will be prepared for 'issues' on there.
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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That's just what I was thinking too
I would still eliminate any possible causes of pain first, but this is sounding more and more serious.
If you do end up having to let him go, try somewhere like Project Horses as people will be prepared for 'issues' on there.
reecebailey
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Hi, thought i'd answer the bulk of questions in here.
He was advertised as £1200 and agreed on half price. When we tried him he didn't bolt/rear/buck in the school, he was unfit and lazy but popped some jumps and he seemed fine at the time. I have checked back/teeth/everything else that we could and it's all fine. Also, he is fine out hacking in company (almost!) and when jumping/XC so surely it's not any medical problems as he would act up then too?
We have had a discussion about him and I was ready to say we will have to find anotehr horse but I remembered how angry I would have been in my mum had got rid of my pets! So, we have decieded that in 6 months he has to have manners in the stables/walk nicely when being led (he does back up now though
) No threatening to kick or actually kicking. A LOT less bucking and rearing and get him more used to hacking. I'm not expecting this to work but hopefully he will be gone if this isn't sorted. I mean, I would happily sell him, the old pony got £4000 so we have some spare, just she won't!
He was advertised as £1200 and agreed on half price. When we tried him he didn't bolt/rear/buck in the school, he was unfit and lazy but popped some jumps and he seemed fine at the time. I have checked back/teeth/everything else that we could and it's all fine. Also, he is fine out hacking in company (almost!) and when jumping/XC so surely it's not any medical problems as he would act up then too?
We have had a discussion about him and I was ready to say we will have to find anotehr horse but I remembered how angry I would have been in my mum had got rid of my pets! So, we have decieded that in 6 months he has to have manners in the stables/walk nicely when being led (he does back up now though
reecebailey
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
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Well he was advertised at £1200, we had a budget of £4000 from the pony but she wanted him and my partner tried to negociate and they happily cut it to half price which we though - bargin. He was fat and lazy when we tried him out, didn't buck or rear etc, was a bit spooky but was fine. We think (as he is not lazy!) they must have tired him out before we tried him or something.
Someone from the year did get on him today and I told her to get off him as she smacked him between his ears when he reared and I didn't want that, even if he is dangerous, I don't want him hit! Daughters having a lesson on him on Saturday with a new "problem horse" instructor, so we shall see what the instructor says! thanks everyone.
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£600 is nothing for a horse. The previous owners knew what this horse is like or they would not have sold it so cheap.
I think you might end up having to decide that he is just to dangerous to keep and too dangerous to sell on.
[/ QUOTE ] Bl**dy hell - didn't realise he was only £600! That, and the fact, that the previous owners won't respond to your email makes me think that this is indeed a horse with very serious problems rather than one that could be sorted easily with a little tuition/training.
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Well he was advertised at £1200, we had a budget of £4000 from the pony but she wanted him and my partner tried to negociate and they happily cut it to half price which we though - bargin. He was fat and lazy when we tried him out, didn't buck or rear etc, was a bit spooky but was fine. We think (as he is not lazy!) they must have tired him out before we tried him or something.
FestiveFuzz
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Sorry, situations like this really annoy me! Why can't people understand that moving from a 13.2 pony to a 16.2 horse is a bad idea? At the very best you're confidence ends up dented and the very worst case scenario doesn't bear thinking about! Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, but I have seen very few partnerships like this work.
When I was younger my friend went from a 13.2 welshie to a 16.3 TB, she was completely over-horsed but being a stubborn teenager she refused to admit it. Instead the horse got harder and harder to manage both on foot and whilst ridden and the end outcome was her being thrown from the horse at a show and ending up in hospital! In my opinion, she was lucky! She also had just had a trainer brought in to help her, but there is only so much a trainer can do.
This is also assuming it is purely a case of your daughter being over-horsed, if there are behavioral or medical problems in the equation too, then I certainly wouldn't be waiting another six months.
I'm sorry if I seem harsh, but the next time the horse bolts or your daughter is thrown she may not be so lucky!
At 16 I certainly didn't know what was best for me, that was what my parents were there for. Don't get me wrong, I was never wrapped in cotton wool and I was given the freedom to make my own mistakes, but at the end of the day if my parents didn't think it was in my best interests they'd put their foot down.
When I was younger my friend went from a 13.2 welshie to a 16.3 TB, she was completely over-horsed but being a stubborn teenager she refused to admit it. Instead the horse got harder and harder to manage both on foot and whilst ridden and the end outcome was her being thrown from the horse at a show and ending up in hospital! In my opinion, she was lucky! She also had just had a trainer brought in to help her, but there is only so much a trainer can do.
This is also assuming it is purely a case of your daughter being over-horsed, if there are behavioral or medical problems in the equation too, then I certainly wouldn't be waiting another six months.
I'm sorry if I seem harsh, but the next time the horse bolts or your daughter is thrown she may not be so lucky!
At 16 I certainly didn't know what was best for me, that was what my parents were there for. Don't get me wrong, I was never wrapped in cotton wool and I was given the freedom to make my own mistakes, but at the end of the day if my parents didn't think it was in my best interests they'd put their foot down.
MurphysMinder
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Speaking as a mother I would be telling my daughter the horse was going. Presumably as she is 16 you are footing the bills for the horse so it really is your decision. My daughter is 21 and I would still be very unhappy if she had a horse showing the behaviour you mention, and I hope she would be adult enough to listen to my point of view. She moved from 13 hh to 15.2 without a problem but the one thing I was adamant about was that the horse had to be safe on the roads. Perhaps you could sit down with your daughter and ask if she is really enjoying this horse, I can'timagine she is too much. She will be loathe to admit she is beaten I am sure but hopefully will realise you are talking sense.
Sooty
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Get rid. I wouldn't waste any money on investigating why he behaves as he does. Better to put up with a bit of abuse from your daughter now than to regret not having done so when you visit her in the spinal injuries unit, or worse. Personally I wouldn't put up with a horse that kicked me, let alone anything else. Horse ownership is meant to be fun, and it costs a fortune. This horse is unsuitable for a sixteen year old, simple as that. It is not a question of his size; my daughter (26) has a 13.3hh pony that is a total nightmare, and we have a 16.3hh who is a total plod. By all means get another horse for her, but prioritise temperament. Your daughter will be upset, but she will get over it.
sleepingdragon10
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QR- You may have been angry if your parents had sold one of your pets without consulting you as a 16yr old, but this isn't a pet, it's a dangerous horse who has the potential to kill your daughter......are you seriously telling me that you're keeping this horse simply to stop your daughter being angry with you? Ever heard of parental responsibility? Sell it while your daughter can still walk and buy something more sensible...
PeterNatt
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This horse is clearly dangerous and more than capable of inflicting a very serious and permanent injury on people that handle or ride him. Your daughter has her future life in front of her and this horse could seriously injure someone.
sleepingdragon10
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Just to add to my previous post, having had a rethink, it would be highly irresponsible to sell on a dangerous horse unless you fully disclosed your reasons for making the sale...so there's another option...however it's not one alot of people have the stomach for, despite it being a viable option in order to prevent the horse future suffering, or it injuring someone else
