Worried about Deedee :-(

[Nari]

And milllions of horses the world over cope with that, without getting ulcers.

And like people tolerances and reactions vary enormously.

 

[HufflyPuffly]

And like people tolerances and reactions vary enormously.

Agreed, Skylla developed them just from moving yard so it is possible.

 

[Ambers Echo]

You seem to be on a constant merry go round of horses and problems and perhaps you need to slow down. The poor mare might not have been sold as stressy but she seems to be now.

Have you gone back to the previous owner for hints and tips of how she was precious kept and managed so you can back track what’s went wrong??

What ARE you on about? I saw this post and did not realise it was you. I have been blissfully unaware of anything you may have said on other posts, but UI does not follow new names it seems, so here you are again sticking your oar in. On its own it is preachy and pointless as per, but not something I would do more than roll my eyes at and scroll past. But this is not an isolated post. My merry go round of 'problems' with horses - as you well know - include a pony who was PTS after 15 months of searching for an answer for a baffling but clearly systemic and progressive condition. During which you basically told me I was making stuff up and lying. Even at the point PTS was being considered you did not let up. The cruelty was breathtaking. And another pony who was retired after a year of 2 X hospital admissions, turning away for a winter and professional rehab livery for a subtle bilateral hind limb lameness related to the SI joint. During which you charmingly told me my vets had seen me coming and were 'ripping the mick'. You target my posts and despite the fact that you have been on UI for over a year and even before that I have not directly responded to any of your posts for YEARS, you simply can't help yourself - you still have to seek my posts out and make sly digs. You pretend you have no interest in me. Well for someone not interested in me you spend a hell of a lot of time following me around the internet. Which is frankly weird. Because I do not have the tiniest, remotest interest in you. I have not knowingly read a single of your posts or threads in years. I do not know if you have 1 horse or 5 or none at all and I don't give a damn about your opinion on anything. You are back on UI where you will now stay.

 

[ester]

Oh Def no on the slippery elm I missed you were feeding that

 

[AnShanDan]

For what it's worth, I'd say it's def. still very early days. I've not followed the story so far, but imo moving homes, even once, can unsettle some horses for a long time. They are herd animals and some horses relate so much to their herd that changing that changes their world.
I think, if this mare would ride out quietly in company, I might start that sooner rather than later. Low key work might help her to chill and settle. I have certainly owned at least one horse that was actually much more relaxed in full work.
Also, just to add that bailey outshine is amazing for getting calories into them.

 

[TPO]

What ARE you on about? I saw this post and did not realise it was you. I have been blissfully unaware of anything you may have said on other posts, but UI does not follow new names it seems, so here you are again sticking your oar in. On its own it is preachy and pointless as per, but not something I would do more than roll my eyes at and scroll past. But this is not an isolated post. My merry go round of 'problems' with horses - as you well know - include a pony who was PTS after 15 months of searching for an answer for a baffling but clearly systemic and progressive condition. During which you basically told me I was making stuff up and lying. Even at the point PTS was being considered you did not let up. The cruelty was breathtaking. And another pony who was retired after a year of 2 X hospital admissions, turning away for a winter and professional rehab livery for a subtle bilateral hind limb lameness related to the SI joint. During which you charmingly told me my vets had seen me coming and were 'ripping the mick'. You target my posts and despite the fact that you have been on UI for over a year and even before that I have not directly responded to any of your posts for YEARS, you simply can't help yourself - you still have to seek my posts out and make sly digs. You pretend you have no interest in me. Well for someone not interested in me you spend a hell of a lot of time following me around the internet. Which is frankly weird. Because I do not have the tiniest, remotest interest in you. I have not knowingly read a single of your posts or threads in years. I do not know if you have 1 horse or 5 or none at all and I don't give a damn about your opinion on anything. You are back on UI where you will now stay.

You've missed nothing by having this bullying cretin on UI. For someone who posted so extensively about their problems, and was on their own constant roundabout of complaining that no one "liked" them or ever replied to them, the absolute bollocks (and cruel bollocks at that) that they post is beyond contempt.

 

[Tiddlypom]

You've missed nothing by having this bullying cretin on UI. For someone who posted so extensively about their problems, and was on their own constant roundabout of complaining that no one "liked" them or ever replied to them, the absolute bollocks (and cruel bollocks at that) that they post is beyond contempt.

Thanks for posting this, I was just going to post similar. I was one who felt a bit guilty when Black Beastie posted her ‘no one likes me or my posts’ thread and subsequently started to reply to or like them. However she’s since proved that she hasn’t reformed at all and tbh isn’t worth bothering with, she likes to dish it out but she certainly can’t take it back.

 

[Ambers Echo]

Oh Def no on the slippery elm I missed you were feeding that

I'll take her off it then. And the Aloe Vera just in case. I was following a link someone sent me about feeding horses wit ulcers but I should have thought about interactions! Argggh feeling stupid now.

 

[Ambers Echo]

Thanks TPO and TP. I avoid confrontation wherever I can. I really don't look for trouble. But bringing Ginny and Max into it after all the cr@p she gave me over how I was caring for them was beyond the pale. Hope to draw a line under it now and go back to important matters - Deedee!

I spoke to my vet who says it's too early to worry. And Izzy says I am imagining further loss, she is the same or maybe slightly better. So fingers crossed I am just stressing for no reason and she will be a different horse in a few more weeks.

 

[Ambers Echo]

For what it's worth, I'd say it's def. still very early days. I've not followed the story so far, but imo moving homes, even once, can unsettle some horses for a long time. They are herd animals and some horses relate so much to their herd that changing that changes their world.
I think, if this mare would ride out quietly in company, I might start that sooner rather than later. Low key work might help her to chill and settle. I have certainly owned at least one horse that was actually much more relaxed in full work.
Also, just to add that bailey outshine is amazing for getting calories into them.

Thanks - vet said if her weight is stable she can start hacking out in walk next week. If she is still losing then don't. Izzy (my daughter, Deedee's owner) says I am imagining things! So I have taken photos to keep a more objective eye on her. x

 

[milliepops]

was just going to say take photos. Especially with this kind of thing i think because you are worrying, you don't see the reality in front of you.

 

[ester]

I'll take her off it then. And the Aloe Vera just in case. I was following a link someone sent me about feeding horses wit ulcers but I should have thought about interactions! Argggh feeling stupid now.

It just blocks the uptake of anything else you are giving because of it's stomach lining properties iirc. (That is not the scientific description, I have mostly just seen _GG_ point it out a fair bit.

 

[PurBee]

Same with French clay slurry additive....it’s great for pulling out toxicosis/bad bacteria etc in the gut, but will also absorb nutrients/supps so best to be fed alone mixed in wet beet pulp or something many hours away from nutritious feeds.

 

[PurBee]

I’ve just been reading your blog Ample....wow , astounding work you’ve done on Amber...she sounds like a true jumping monster...you’re so brave! Cross country always terrified me....I prefer jumps to collapse when I’m catapulted onto them lol
Love the pic of her overjumping a small jump by 2 feet, her ‘show’ name should be ‘levitation’! Your tongue in cheek and admirably honest commentary makes for a really engaging read despite me not even being an eventer, it’s nice to get an inside perspective of the journey to become one.
Kudos to you for aiming high, working hard and getting there

 

[Ambers Echo]

Thanks Purbee! She used to jump so extravagantly that she would ping me right off her. But she has thankfully calmed down a bit now. Mostly. x

 

[hihosilver]

Sorry but what is UI?

 

[Leo Walker]

Sorry but what is UI?

User Ignore. It makes the forum a far better place. You dont see their comments, they cant PM you, its not quite blocking but its almost there!

 

[PurBee]

Thanks Purbee! She used to jump so extravagantly that she would ping me right off her. But she has thankfully calmed down a bit now. Mostly. x

Hahaa...she sounds like great fun. If the horse likes to jump it can be a great confidence giver to a nervous rider.

Many moons ago when I was 12 I rode a chestnut 12h pony called Dandy at a ‘pony day’, having only had a handful of terrible jumping lessons before this. The gymkhana event terrified me never having jumped this pony, hoping he wasn’t a ‘refuser’ like all the others...it turned out Dandy loved jumping, he raced around, completely clear, 2nd place, all I had to do was hold on, it was so exhilarating! That course with that little pony birthed a love of jumping and admiration for those horses and riders who do the ‘big stuff’!

 

[Tiddlypom]

It just blocks the uptake of anything else you are giving because of it's stomach lining properties iirc. (That is not the scientific description, I have mostly just seen _GG_ point it out a fair bit.

This is interesting re blocking properties. Can I pick your brains, ester, do you think that Protexin Acid Ease might do similar? It has kaolin and other stuff in it to ‘line the stomach’. I feed it at half quantities as a preventative to the IDx who is on a daily Prascend tablet plus occasional Danilon, might it be blocking their effect, do you think? Never thought of possible interactions...

Sorry for thread hijack, OP

 

[Ambers Echo]

Never say never Purbee. I was jumping x poles 4 years ago. I was so scared for my first 50cm course I nearly passed out!

 

[hihosilver]

User Ignore. It makes the forum a far better place. You dont see their comments, they cant PM you, its not quite blocking but its almost there!

Thanks!

 

[oldie48]

FWIW Rose has lost a bit of weight recently and she's not got ulcers as far as I know. I've got her on Ease and Excel, micronised linseed and speedibeet + ad lib haylage when she's in and I have upped everything. I've never given a horse so much food before but this wet, windy weather just does not suit her. She starting to put weight on again but I think she's rather like Deedee in build. Interestingly, she lost weight when she had a week off because she was out more and there's just nothing in the grass, once back in work, with much less turnout and some haylage she likes, she's already looking better. Try not to worry. I am quite impressed with Ease and Excel, it's low starch, high oil and ulcer friendly (not sure if that's how you describe it) and if she is happily eating it, I wouldn't change.

 

[Dyllymoo]

I would agree with you if this wasn't a horse which passed a five stage vetting and then moved home very recently. my guess is a very sensitive horse affected badly by two moves in a short space of time.

My TB took nine months to fully settle and start lying down at night, AE, try not to panic yet.

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5 stage vettings don't always pick up issues though so that doesn't mean that the mare isn't in pain. Of course there are instances that it isn't and the horse is sensitive, which could be the case here, but its always worth bearing in mind

 

[Trouper]

Such a lot of useful advice in the replies here on what might be affecting her and what to do with her diet - I can't add anything. However, if the vet says that gentle hacking is OK I would be tempted. The mental exercise for her might help to settle her to her new home and take any anxiety away that might be contributing to her physical symptoms. Horses sometimes relax more quickly when they are a bit tired and trips out and back to her new home might make her accept that this is her base now. I hope she picks up soon but try not to worry too much yet.

 

[ScampiBigMan]

Can totally appreciate after your experiences over the past few years why you are so sensitive to problems - & them perhaps not resolving themselves as (quickly) as expected /hoped. Really pleased she is eating everything up, I do think this is a key indicator of their overall wellbeing.

As has already been said, if all else seems good, the riding out at walk may help occupy her mind and help her relax further (particularly if she enjoys her work anyway). If she is a perpetual motion type (with a mind to match), it will take longer to gain weight - particularly at this time of year. I know it's difficult to do when worried but have to give time for horses to settle after significant change - & much more so when they are the intelligent and highly responsive type. She is young too so may be using fuel for body shape changes - they can continue for many years. Have to work with what the horse in front of you looks like (particularly when comes to feed) and how they are behaving and adjust as they do - am sure given time she will reward you just as Amber and Dolly have. Photos are a great idea as our brain is good at making fools of our eyes. For condition, Havens Slobbermash and Key Flow Pink Mash have found the best year round and add rice bran (Key Flow Key Plus) for more condition when in medium /hard work (this is after a great deal of trial and error with many horses). Use Pure Feeds as the fibre based part. Do also feed linseed as well as supplements for digestive function.

Have always worked on a minimum of 12 months for figuring out how to work and manage a new horse, so still v early days with her yet & she has only just started a more settled routine that suits her (minus the pig(!)). Perhaps aim for monthly reviews being your main time window, perhaps make some notes as well as the photos so you can monitor and keep track, take the pressure off seeing big improvement in a week or 2. Perhaps aim for end of March /April as being when she is full work and in the condition you would like - & if it takes another couple of months it is no big deal. She is a lovely horse and you are doing everything you can to support her.

 

[Ambers Echo]

Thanks SBM. She is looking a lot better quite suddenly: gaining weight and super-shiny. Also she has been lying down in her stable for the first time since the first week with us. We started hacking her out this week and she has been good as gold. So all looking good at the moment

 

[Ambers Echo]

 

[Trouper]

Yeah!! Her eyes look quite relaxed - think you might have cracked it!! Onwards and Upwards into 2020.