Would you breed from a mare in which you didnt know its parentage?

Yes, planning to next year, we have no idea of the mares breeding, but she has proved herself time and time again in the showring winning many champs and supremes, and it will be a foal for us to keep.
 
Navalgem said:
Ah thats good then :D

http://www.standard-bred.com/ try googling and see what else you find!

as to competing, I had a horse that 4 months ago was just about scraping round 75cms unaff jumping (spooky and a little quirky), he's now doing Discovery jump offs, you'll be amazed how much can be achieved in a short space of time, and he's loving it!
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ah thats fab :D all being well tomorow i might just ask for a little canter as im dying to push her on a bit :D... we have abig open field which i could use but i will stick to the secutiry of the indoor then if she cant manage enough room i will get her in the field (its just the ground i worry about)...

she is incredibly spooky at new things and just is a complete goof, but she takes her confidence from me so i kick her on and force her to go past things :D (i had a confidence crisis last week and thought i wasnt good enough for her but over that and onwards)

im also dying to jump her but behaving at the moment and working on the flat first :D
 
jack9 said:
ah thats fab :D all being well tomorow i might just ask for a little canter as im dying to push her on a bit :D... we have abig open field which i could use but i will stick to the secutiry of the indoor then if she cant manage enough room i will get her in the field (its just the ground i worry about)...

she is incredibly spooky at new things and just is a complete goof, but she takes her confidence from me so i kick her on and force her to go past things :D (i had a confidence crisis last week and thought i wasnt good enough for her but over that and onwards)

im also dying to jump her but behaving at the moment and working on the flat first :D
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I'd stick to the indoor, unless it's tiny you should be able to get canter, just a few strides is enough for a start! No point taking her outside if the ground is bad as if she slips it will knock both your confidences.

LOL, yes be good on the flat it will pay dividends later :D

I'm terrible for confidence crisis, but as a very nice person said to me (about not being good enough for said horse) they don't care as long as you love them and feed them and take good care of them! So don't be daft! :)

My horse had a bad start, didn't trust people at all and when he spooked he was a nightmare as he wouldn't take his confidence from you, cue rearing, spinning, leaping and bucking in various orders :( As he's gotten to trust people a bit more he's brilliant, and there's not much he won't do for me now, even if it is eyes on stalks moment. Some things just take more time than others but we get there and that's all that matters. (The other week the Loch Ness Monster had moved from Scotland to Aintrees water tray :rolleyes: lol!)
 
your right there :) i will take her in the indoor tomorow - shes much better in there than the outdoor (which is out of use for the momeent) as shes a nosey cow and has to have agorp/spook at everything lol!

question on breeding; If i bred a foal by my (unknown) mare by a full reg warmblood... would the foal be able to be reg'd/as part bred warmblood??

(see all things i must learn!)....


shes a cracking little mare - and i hope to get round to breeding from her....its just a case of when....do i wait until shes much older 8/9? or now(well 2 years)... and then peak her career??

decisions decisions... i have lots and lots to learn first though
 
Yes - as long as he is a graded stallion, the foal would be eligible for a passport with the stallions studbook, and the dams name would be recorded. Some studbooks give you different types of passport for ungraded/unrecorded bred mares, aes do white papers and pink papers, kwpn do stb, and A papers and theres another but cant remember what.

Some people breed their mares at 2/3 and have a foal before their career, some do it at the end, some do both, it's entirely up to you. (I'd advise not doing it in the middle though - that's a bit frustrating!) I know a mare now 16, who was bred at 2, her foal is a grade A jumper, she's retired back to breeding 4 years ago having jumped up to fox level, I competed my tb mare then retired her to breed a foal at 14, back in work for a year then put in foal agian. Sadly she got a colic 3 days before the foal was due and despite Leahursts best efforts, i lost them both. It's wonderful is breeding, but things can and do go wrong. :(
 
Navalgem said:
Yes - as long as he is a graded stallion, the foal would be eligible for a passport with the stallions studbook, and the dams name would be recorded. Some studbooks give you different types of passport for ungraded/unrecorded bred mares, aes do white papers and pink papers, kwpn do stb, and A papers and theres another but cant remember what.

Some people breed their mares at 2/3 and have a foal before their career, some do it at the end, some do both, it's entirely up to you. (I'd advise not doing it in the middle though - that's a bit frustrating!) I know a mare now 16, who was bred at 2, her foal is a grade A jumper, she's retired back to breeding 4 years ago having jumped up to fox level, I competed my tb mare then retired her to breed a foal at 14, back in work for a year then put in foal agian. Sadly she got a colic 3 days before the foal was due and despite Leahursts best efforts, i lost them both. It's wonderful is breeding, but things can and do go wrong. :(
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thanks :)

im thinking when shes 6... to foal when shes 7.... unless shes doing particularly well in dressage then i will wait longer....

ideally i should just do it next year then kick start her career after ive finished uni when i can afford to buy my own box and get out affiliated and enjoy her while foalie is growing....

but i want to see what she can do before then!!

sorry about your mare and foal :(
 
jack9 said:
thanks :)

im thinking when shes 6... to foal when shes 7.... unless shes doing particularly well in dressage then i will wait longer....

ideally i should just do it next year then kick start her career after ive finished uni when i can afford to buy my own box and get out affiliated and enjoy her while foalie is growing....

but i want to see what she can do before then!!

sorry about your mare and foal :(
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lol, either way (6/7 or next year), just see how you feel.

Part of life sadly, I'll always have my memories though I miss her every day. 9and it's partly why Kaos will never be sold, I should have married a vet!)

If you do want to breed sooner rather than later, start looking at stallions now, and learn all you can about bloodlines and what offspring they throw! I'm terrible for leaving it to the last minute and it's a nightmare! :D
 
Navalgem said:
lol, either way (6/7 or next year), just see how you feel.

Part of life sadly, I'll always have my memories though I miss her every day. 9and it's partly why Kaos will never be sold, I should have married a vet!)

If you do want to breed sooner rather than later, start looking at stallions now, and learn all you can about bloodlines and what offspring they throw! I'm terrible for leaving it to the last minute and it's a nightmare! :D
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i will start looking now.... even if its not for another 2 years when she gets put into foal.

I could do it next summer but!... i would be in my final year for uni when foalie is due and that will exam stress would not be a clever idea thinking about it



Any suggestions? Stud fee upto about 1k... would like proven dressage stallion. and being really picky... a chestnut or black foal. :o not coloured.

still in love with sir donnerhall though... :D
 
jack9 said:
i will start looking now.... even if its not for another 2 years when she gets put into foal.

I could do it next summer but!... i would be in my final year for uni when foalie is due and that will exam stress would not be a clever idea thinking about it



Any suggestions? Stud fee upto about 1k... would like proven dressage stallion. and being really picky... a chestnut or black foal. :o not coloured.

still in love with sir donnerhall though... :D
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No sleepless nights when you've got exams are not good, trust me ;), though with good planning you can avoid it lol. Hence I've 5 modules to do from my final year............. :(

lol, ok so you go for two recessive colours which you may not be able to get lol, as you don't know the colour of your mares sire and dam, and she's bay....lol

I'm not that up with dressage stallion tbh, being focused on jumping, sure someone else can help though

http://www.holdenfolddressage.co.uk/stallions.html

http://www.facebook.com/pages/ULTIMATE-DRESSAGE-HORSE/123624524327218?ref=ts Have met Vince and he's lovely and there's fab vids of Sir Frederick on youtube Sam and Andrew are lovely people too

www.cvssporthorses.co.uk have a lovely young dressage stallion who did well in the 5yo champs

http://www.team-nijhof.nl/apps/hengsten.php?taal=en some dressage stallions on there

http://www.elitestallions.co.uk/index.php?id=6&searchtype=1

also try going to the various studbook's home pages ie oldenburg, hannovarian, kwpn, holsteiner, westfalian etc, they usually have a stallion list, plus grading results/marks and info which is REALLY helpful, you'll find yourself bombarded with information...... just don't neglect your uni work! :p
 
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Navalgem said:
No sleepless nights when you've got exams are not good, trust me ;), though with good planning you can avoid it lol. Hence I've 5 modules to do from my final year............. :(

lol, ok so you go for two recessive colours which you may not be able to get lol, as you don't know the colour of your mares sire and dam, and she's bay....lol

I'm not that up with dressage stallion tbh, being focused on jumping, sure someone else can help though

http://www.holdenfolddressage.co.uk/stallions.html

http://www.facebook.com/pages/ULTIMATE-DRESSAGE-HORSE/123624524327218?ref=ts Have met Vince and he's lovely and there's fab vids of Sir Frederick on youtube Sam and Andrew are lovely people too

www.cvssporthorses.co.uk have a lovely young dressage stallion who did well in the 5yo champs

http://www.team-nijhof.nl/apps/hengsten.php?taal=en some dressage stallions on there

http://www.elitestallions.co.uk/index.php?id=6&searchtype=1

also try going to the various studbook's home pages ie oldenburg, hannovarian, kwpn, holsteiner, westfalian etc, they usually have a stallion list, plus grading results/marks and info which is REALLY helpful, you'll find yourself bombarded with information...... just don't neglect your uni work! :p
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thanks :D

really helpful :) will have a good look through the links and do some googling :)

tried to canter her today... bless her she was hillarious. i trotted her round the paddock - nice and forward off my leg, kick on... and use the canter voice i do when lunging... nothing. Got off her back - again nothing.... kept trying but bless her i got a really fast trot out of her... will go in the bigger paddock next time!...

as for uni - back next week - cant wait :) just had my open college diploma to finish then they can have my undivided attention :D
 
I bred from my mare with unknown breeding, but a hell of a jump with a super temprement. I got a cracking foal, who I am so so pleased with, shes achieved far more as a 2 year old than I could have even dreamed.
 
TBH at this stage I wouldn't even be considering it. A horse can have a lovely personality, be a pleasure to own and look great moving in the field but you won't really know if she has it until you start some proper training. If you knew her breeding and she was true to type then it might be worth a go as you can kind of predict the outcome..at the moment you don't even know that.

I am a single mare breeder so really needed to have a very good idea of what I was going to produce from a native pony. I know her breeding back 200 years, and of course also the breeding of the stallion I used in the same detail. They are both very true to type and breeding so apart from the final colour, I was very confident about what was going to come out. The first foal is over 2 now, because I am on a yard and don't have my own premises he has cost me over £4000 in livery, stud and other bills just to get him to this stage.

You can buy an awful lot of competition foal for that money and see what you are getting! And as a bonus you won't be risking the health of your mare and can keep riding her.
 
^^ fair enough

but i couldnt pick the stud i want and actually afford the foal....

i know its a risk breeding from my girl but once proven (iff)! then i will... if shes a load of rubbish then no i wont.... but i wont know her true ability until shes schooled and out and about :)

thanks for the reply btw it is good to hear from all angles :)

eta; if you could find a foal from sir donnerhall lines for the price of a stud fee/mare costs then that would be an intresting one :)
 
another thing you might find is that some stallion owners especially the top ones are very fussy about which mares they allow the stallion to cover and only allow approved mares as a way of quality control of the offspring. pedigree in those case may matter as well as performance so this may restrict the choice of stallions that you can use.
 
^ yes absolutely!

like i said - i have a lot fo learn - lots of questions to ask etc.... and the mare has to prove herself first as we have a lot i want to achieve before that :)
 
I think it would be good to establish yourself first before selling a foal from an unregistered mare.
There are ALWAYS societies you can register horses with, so I guess it would be a mare with unrecognized breeding.

Like someone else said above, so long as you have a good eye for conformation, I think adding new blood is a brilliant thing :)
 
Kao said:
I think it would be good to establish yourself first before selling a foal from an unregistered mare.
There are ALWAYS societies you can register horses with, so I guess it would be a mare with unrecognized breeding.

Like someone else said above, so long as you have a good eye for conformation, I think adding new blood is a brilliant thing :)
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its not to sell!!!

to keep!

i know no-one can predict the future but theres no way id sel the mare and so i wouldnt sell the foal either! :)
 
this is quite funny. In Sweden everyone would hate you if you want to breed from an unregistred mare or if you have a tb mare and cover her with a quater stallion (example). No cross breeds (is that correct english?).

We have a large horse forum and if you want suggestions of a nice stallion everyone asks you why you want to use your mare, her parentage, results (competitions) and so on. In Sweden we usually use stallions from www.flyinge.se and other studs or we drive our mares to Germany and Holland.

Many stallions owner in Sweden dont accept unapproved mares.
I think its quite important to know the mares parentage, so you dont get a bad surprise when the foal is born.
 
For myself, as a private buyer, not interested in buying a competition horse, breeding lines are not particularly important to me and in some cases would put me off. I can think of a few friends locally who have bred from exceptional lines and have unrideable, highly strung fruitloops. All knowledgeable and tidy competition riders, but despite researching exactly what they wanted, the results have been disappointing.
I have two horses of known, good breeding lines and two of unknown parentage. Temperament, conformation and talent- for their type, there is no difference, all are equal and very saleable (except for the one with navicular who, incidently has vertified parentage ).
For a serious competition rider, the criteria is different, but I would argue, that for a good horse, there will always be a market.
 
Have you thought about a TB?
From the pic you put up your mare looksa a bit cobby and a tb would refine and add athletiscism (sp?). I'm not too up on dressage but there is a lovely stallion Watermill Swatch over here in Irealnd available for ai and he has done dressage in Holland quite successfully I think. He would refine your mare nicely I think. Also tb's are in all continental studbooks-Julio Mariner in the KWPN for example. Not being too up on dressage I'm sure there are more dressage tb stallions.
I agree with others that you need to use a closed studbook to lessen the chances of a throwback.
 
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