ihatework
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What makes you say that?
It goes completely against my experience.
Depending on the initial injury & Given the right rehab it is possible to get them safely out eventing again.
I have a number of horses in mind as I type.
Would you buy/consider this horse?
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What makes you say that?
It goes completely against my experience.
Depending on the initial injury & Given the right rehab it is possible to get them safely out eventing again.
I have a number of horses in mind as I type.
SusieT
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not with a barge pole and not even for hacking - ligaments are never the same and eventing wise definitely not!
AnShanDan
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Totally agree, if that was the case then competition horses with foreleg suspensory issues would be PTS right away. Look up Sue Dyson's work on this, something like 80-90% of horses will go back to previous work. I've also been told by very knowledgeable vet that if you can get to 12 months sound then you are no more likely to get a problem than any other horse.
rara007
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No way.
ljohnsonsj
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If you have a fair budget like you said your best looking elsewhere, Plenty of horses doing Novice upwards that are sound. Costs as much to keep a good un as a bad 'un.
You may want to go further than novice in the future who knows. Better to have a horse that can try than a horse that physically can't I'd say
You may want to go further than novice in the future who knows. Better to have a horse that can try than a horse that physically can't I'd say
Wagtail
Horse servant
That would be my question. Why are they selling now if they can get him absolutely sound, back to competing and demonstrate that, then get a far better price? Particularly if he's owned by a vet. This alone would make me suspicious that they think it may not be as straight forward as they would like.
ljohnsonsj
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Also a cheap horse with an injury is never really a cheap horse- they just end up costing a fortune to keep sound and rarely ever make the grade you would like them too anyway.
Asha
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Agree with this . Plus at least they have been upfront about it. How many horses have an injury, get rehabbed to the point they are sound, pass a vetting then get sold on and people are non the wiser ?
If you are prepared to take a chance, and can afford to lose the money, then go for it. If I had a vet in the family I would
rachk89
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Yes because I and everyone else who has said no way are completely wrong. If you feel its fine buy the horse yourself. She asked for an opinion I gave mine. He isnt suitable and there are better horses out there for her than trying and more than likely failing to get this one to novice level eventing again.
Like someone else said, would you feel confident sitting on that horse in the starting gate? I sure as hell wouldn't lol.
milliepops
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what a funny reply! I'm not sure if IHW is looking for a new horse?!
Goldenstar
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Oh yes I would feel confident being on a horse when it breaks down is not nice but it's not going to kill you .
It's sickening feeling when they go but it not any more dangerous than any horse .
rachk89
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Bit more dangerous than others knowing it has a weak leg. Goes over a jump, the leg goes, horse lands on you and crushes the rider. Yeah can happen to others but its less likely than with a horse with an already weak leg.
Frankly I wouldn't take the chance. Horse riding is risky enough without adding other factors in.
ihatework
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Don't worry - sometimes attack is the only form of defence!!
I actually wouldn't suggest the OP buy this horse as they have stated they have a bigger budget, so why take the risk?
BUT if I were looking to go PN/N on a seriously restricted budget then yes I Would consider the horse, based on some factors I've already stated.
Dear Rach categorically stated there is no way this horse would ever go novice eventing. I'm know nothing about her experience but I would categorically disagree - some horses can come back very well. And let's face it, PN/N is a 4-5 minute canter, we are hardly talking Badminton!!
As for why it's being sold at this point, who knows but there are a number of perfectly valid reasons - the horses capability pre-injury means he is not worth further investment, he will always have a question mark to his name so will have a limit on his price, it might just not be worth the time and effort (and risk) to get him going affiliated for an extra couple of K.
A good friend of mine bought a horse that had gone 2*, had a suspensory injury and she then purchased, if memory serves me right for £1.5K. Now he wasn't a world beater but did give her very valuable experience BE for 2-3 seasons at novice level. Given purchasing a novice schoolmaster costs in the region of 15-30k she felt she had a pretty good deal! The horse then went on to teach someone else at riding club level.
I would happily (in theory, because I no longer jump) kick a horse out of the start box on a Novice BE that had a prior tendon/ligament issue, on the proviso I was happy with the post injury scans and rehab.
rachk89
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So you agree she shouldn't get the horse yet you questioned my opinion anyway? Huh?
More power to you if you don't mind a horse with that kind of injury. I just definitely wouldn't have the confidence to ride a horse like that at novice level eventing. I would need to go into that starting gate knowing the horse has 4 strong legs and they haven't had such a serious injury. There is no way I would be happy otherwise just because I have seen a lot of horses crumbled on landing due to weak legs. I would never add another risk like that to an already risky sport.
If you are confident enough to do that and your friend is, go ahead. I can't do that, my brain would be constantly saying "this is a bad idea" and that's no way to go into a event.
ihatework
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Are you missing the point or just deliberately avoiding the question.
You categorically stated a horse with a tendon injury would never be suitable for novice eventing.
I asked why you stated that because I disagree.
I've given my rationale. You haven't given yours. Sometimes tendons/ligaments heal so well you wouldn't really know they had been injured unless you were told. Of course, there are plenty that don't as well. Such as the 3* one sitting in the field after a failed rehab.
be positive
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Both!!!
Many horses return to successful race after serious tendon injuries, many more will event again at top level, not just novice, after all types of tendon or ligament injuries, if every rider was thinking "what if" then there would be little point in even trying to fix an injured horse, equally many don't fully recover but we give them a chance.
The OP is probably best to leave this one for various reasons but for many people it could be the right horse to give them experience, I would think there are many many horses, sold as sound that pass a vetting, that have been injured previously and apart from the owner at the time no one has any idea.
Riding is a risk sport and I would probably prefer to buy a very talented horse that had recovered from an injury, for the right price, than a less talented, less scopey individual that may struggle to perform as required, the less talented horse will be under pressure physically and overstretching itself so even more likely to break down.
I have a tb here at livery that broke down racing, he recovered raced again, stayed sound and is now doing low level eventing the injury is out of our minds, it should not limit what he does if he had the ability to go novice then he would without any thought given to his leg, other than to care for him in a general way.
nikkimariet
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Nope.
Pigeon
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I know one with a similar back-story and he is sound now but he was free!
If you have land and like a gamble I would go for it. If it's going to be your only horse, and on livery, I would give this one a miss. It's really a 50/50 recovery rate, if that, just for field sound - you need to be prepared to retire/pts. I know very few that have carried on competing, especially at the same level.
If you have land and like a gamble I would go for it. If it's going to be your only horse, and on livery, I would give this one a miss. It's really a 50/50 recovery rate, if that, just for field sound - you need to be prepared to retire/pts. I know very few that have carried on competing, especially at the same level.
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oldie48
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No. I had a horse with a front suspensory injury, quite minor and I suspect he'd had it before I got him and been rehabbed. He was only very slightly lame but a scan showed a very small area of damage, I got him completely sound with a clear scan but it went again. My farrier, was willing to take a punt on him and bought him for meat money, got him sound but he broke down again and was pts. It was so frustrating and the horse had a pretty miserable life as he hated box rest but was silly even in a very small paddock.
AnShanDan
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Found the research I was thinking about:
Proximal Suspensory Desmitis in the Forelimb
and the Hindlimb
Sue Dyson, FRCVS
Most cases of acute forelimb PSD respond well to
box rest and controlled walking exercise for 3
months. Attention to correct foot balance is important.
A premature resumption of work usually results
in recurrent injury. Approximately 90% of
horses resume full athletic function without recurrent
injury. More chronic cases may require more
prolonged rehabilitation, and in a small proportion
lameness is persistent.
The prognosis for PSD in the hindlimb has generally
been poor. Only 6/42 horses (14%) seen in a referral
practice were able to resume full work without
detectable lameness for at least 1 year
Proximal Suspensory Desmitis in the Forelimb
and the Hindlimb
Sue Dyson, FRCVS
Most cases of acute forelimb PSD respond well to
box rest and controlled walking exercise for 3
months. Attention to correct foot balance is important.
A premature resumption of work usually results
in recurrent injury. Approximately 90% of
horses resume full athletic function without recurrent
injury. More chronic cases may require more
prolonged rehabilitation, and in a small proportion
lameness is persistent.
The prognosis for PSD in the hindlimb has generally
been poor. Only 6/42 horses (14%) seen in a referral
practice were able to resume full work without
detectable lameness for at least 1 year
milliepops
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^^ that's relevant ASD if the horse in the OP had PSD, but not so relevant if it was injured in the body or branch of the suspensory, don't think the OP has mentioned whereabouts the injury occurred?
Pigeon
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How do people feel about box rest? The ones I know of who did come right were turned away (admittedly for up to two years) as opposed to box rest. I guess its a bit more make or break - and the ones that came sound would probably have done so if stabled, but a lot of re-injury seems to occur when turnout or exercise is first reintroduced.
I wonder if anyone has done a survey.
I wonder if anyone has done a survey.
AnShanDan
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Yes, that is true, I just can't get my head around why the massive negative opinion about what can often be a recoverable injury! Obv. the OP needs to get the full info. but if her dad is a vet then that will happen anyway.
milliepops
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from my own POV simply because it sounds like the OP has a good budget and therefore could likely find an undamaged horse that fits the bill. And because I know what it's like to fear reinjury on a compromised leg
AND because the OP isn't necessarily looking at the mother of all schoolmasters here, to make the risk worthwhile. with the horse having competed Novice and she is hoping to ride at Novice & beyond - different story if it was a 3* horse, say, that would change the balance quite a bit for me.
Apercrumbie
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If the horse was back in full work and still sound, I would consider it. I would not take a risk on a horse that hasn't yet proved it is truly sound.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
The same as milliepops re what she wants to do/that she does have more budget. I also don't know why they wouldn't get it in full work then sell for better money come spring but OP says it is coming on sales livery?
And ditto about not having much detail about the injury and the implications that has, ours -front- was a small branch tear, no hole just a few scruffy fibres.
And ditto about not having much detail about the injury and the implications that has, ours -front- was a small branch tear, no hole just a few scruffy fibres.