Would you buy?

Yes my youngsters field mate was bred from a bad tempered broken 5yo dam. She had major feet and tendon issues. He is very sweet (although she never told him off so he is quite mouthy and I’ve seen him rear when he doesn’t get his own way) but has the worst feet I have ever seen, completely upright and one front foot is totally boxy. The farrier doesn’t think he will stay sound in work. No one understands why they bred from her.
 
I know the question sounds daft, but I know him in person, not from an ad, and I really think he's quite a horse. I sort of wish I didn't know his parents' history, but I do and I can't unknow it 🤪

I think I've managed to let you all put me off. Well done guys!
 
ycbm said:
I know the question sounds daft, but I know him in person, not from an ad, and I really think he's quite a horse. I sort of wish I didn't know his parents' history, but I do and I can't unknow it 🤪

I think I've managed to let you all put me off. Well done guys!
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This is where it gets difficult isn't it. If you had no idea of parentage and were simply looking at the foal's conformation and movement is it good enough to buy ?

How many of us know how our horses are bred, there will be plenty that don't and plenty that have 'dodgy' parentage for various reasons. We have a stunning heavyweight show hunter that went to HOY's twice, his book is blank, not a clue how he is bred other than Irish and his parents must have been very orange. He isn't particularly sound and never has been, there is no way he was an 'accidental' covering but whoever bred him chose not to record the parentage on his passport. I have often wondered why.
 
No pictures. It wouldn't be fair to the seller to identify the foal. Besides which, I don't have any, I know him in person and he's delightful. Buyers can see the mare with him and ask about her when he is advertised.

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AdorableAlice said:
This is where it gets difficult isn't it. If you had no idea of parentage and were simply looking at the foal's conformation and movement is it good enough to buy ?
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Definitely. He's a lovely, square, straight, big relaxed movement, open-jointed, beautifully coloured fellow with a delightful temperament.

No, no, I'm going to sit on my hands and hope he sells. Someone's going to really love him.

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ycbm said:
Definitely. He's a lovely, square, straight, big relaxed movement, open-jointed, beautifully coloured fellow with a delightful temperament.

No, no, I'm going to sit on my hands and hope he sells. Someone's going to really love him.

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I keep hearing that he is a lovely colour. I like boring colours anyway, but I was always told 'if it was brown all over would you still want it?'
Pretty colours do not a sound horse make!
 
Clodagh said:
I keep hearing that he is a lovely colour. I like boring colours anyway, but I was always told 'if it was brown all over would you still want it?'
Pretty colours do not a sound horse make!
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He's a lovely, square, straight, big relaxed movement, open-jointed, ..... fellow with a delightful temperament.
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HEM said:
Sorry but no, sometimes you do have to think with your head and not your heart as hard as that it:confused:
But I guess as milliepops said it does also depend how good a price are we talking?
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even if it is a good price you’ve got to think about the price of upkeep as well particularly if you have other horses and breaking and training a youngster is far from easy as well. It’s not just the initial cost you have to consider but the upkeep and the time as well, is this horse worth the amount of upkeep and time?
 
ycbm said:
I thought I knew a good horse when I saw one. Sold within hours of being put up for sale to the first viewer at full asking price. Hopefully he'll go on to great things, but at least I can stop sitting on my hands now 😍.


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Sold within hours doesn't mean he's going to be long term sound/do a decent job for someone. I hope he does, but don't question yourself just because someone else liked him too!
 
Oh bum. I didn't reply to this thread earlier, but I thought you should go for it. Following your previous posts, you have a good eye and the knowledge to bring a youngster on. I'm a big believer in listening to your gut.
 
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I'm pleased, really. At my age I dont need a young horse hanging around for four years before he can do any work. I told myself I could buy him if he didn't sell by Christmas!

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Classic! My horse doesn't seem to be working so I must breed from it. What's wrong with people???

Sorry ycbm but... walk away. Oh whoops - forgot to check page 2...

You've done the right thing! Just think of all the vets bills you've just saved!
 
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"Father is an unregistered backyard stallion"

A lot of competition classes now requires recognised breeding details. It might be a reason why he is unregistered, failing a stallion inspection due to health issues etc.
Definitely wouldn't buy anything bred from arthritic hock changes parents.
Why pay out for keeping and training a horse 5-6 years and then and up with the same possible outcome.
 
Father is a very nice stallion who has never been tested for registration, just kept as an entire by farming folk for breeding by natural covering. His lack of registration wouldn't bother me, I've had two, possibly three, broken warmbloods by Grand Prix level sires with strong pedigrees. And my current four year old is possibly the most talented horse I've ever ridden and also has an unregistered father from a similar background.

What competitions other than specific breed classes require registered parentage?

PS foal was sold a week ago to first viewer, see post above.

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Most folk now a days are more concerned with the names in the passport rather than what the horse Actually looks like and how it moves. Known degenerative issues would however be a red flag
 
ycbm said:
I am very very tempted by a lovely foal that has come up for sale near me. I like him a lot, character, colour, shape, action, price.

But I know that his mother has been operated on for kissing spines and that it didn't resolve her issues with being ridden, which were probably caused by fetlock arthritis in the hind legs. She had done almost no real work before being retired to stud.

It feels as if it would be madness to buy him. Would it? He really is my kind of horse!


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I had an unpapered mare (probably 3/4TB) who hunted for 3 seasons as huntsman's horse and was sound as a pound. She had 6 foals, 5 by my RID stallion and one by the Arab H Tobago. I stopped breeding from her when I discovered that one of her foals had KS (severe), then another, then another. I still have 2 youngsters out of her, 1 an IDx, theother by the Arab, and they have x-rayed clear, and the first is still working as a police hose in South Wales. So - a 50% chance of Kissing spines.would be MORE than enough to put me off the foal.
 
It was your mare I had most in mind JG. Vets insist kissing spines isn't genetic, but being tall or short is, so why would it not be?

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ycbm said:
I'm pleased, really. At my age I dont need a young horse hanging around for four years before he can do any work. I told myself I could buy him if he didn't sell by Christmas!

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Poor little horse..bet hes desperate for a new home with someone who loves him
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