Would YOU pay £10,000 for a horse that weaves

Some People said:
Ohhhh Yes my first thought was that you worked with children, what age group I do not know, but infant springs to mind.

I assume when teaching the ABC, you do not just throw the whole alphabet into a pot, letting the children tip the pot upside down so the letters fall iggly piggle, inside out, back to front, upside down and so no order of assembly.

Moral being...Grasppppppppppppp theeeeeeeee concepttttttttttttttttt
If you did not quite understand that...

Grasp the concept!
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How ignorant, rude and obnoxious. I would be quite interested in the name of your stud though as I'm always on the lookout for the perfect horse. BTW some ARE born bad but I suspect you would know that if you were on the level
 
Some People said:
Just another assumption.

Where does it say I have two horses? Actually I have a yard full, we breed them! And have done so for generations.

Clearly we must be doing something right as buyers would not pay thousands for one of our horses, nor our stud fee, nor would there be a waiting list for one of our fantastic horses!
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Sorry, yes it was an assumption that you had 2 x horses.

So every horse out of your yard full, is absolutely perfect in every way- conformationally, temperament and behaviour?

Perhaps you could post some photos of them as I for one, have never seen a perfect horse.

As an aside, being paid thousands and having a waiting list is indeed a sign of a good horse and good breeding programme- such a shame that the horse in the OP which weaved sold for thousands and my grey boy in my signature who weaved had a long waiting list when I sold him (through word of mouth, no advertising even required :))
 
millitiger said:
Sorry, yes it was an assumption that you had 2 x horses.

So every horse out of your yard full, is absolutely perfect in every way- conformationally, temperament and behaviour?

Perhaps you could post some photos of them as I for one, have never seen a perfect horse.

As an aside, being paid thousands and having a waiting list is indeed a sign of a good horse and good breeding programme- such a shame that the horse in the OP which weaved sold for thousands and my grey boy in my signature who weaved had a long waiting list when I sold him (through word of mouth, no advertising even required :))
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Oucch. why is everyone so angry with this post?
 
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Some People said:
Why do you bother having a horse, if you are so unfeeling and uncaring as to show no compassion when a horse is ruined!
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A horse that weaves is not ruined. And anyone with this view would probably be best finding another hobby to imerse themselves in.
 
millitiger said:
Sorry, yes it was an assumption that you had 2 x horses.

So every horse out of your yard full, is absolutely perfect in every way- conformationally, temperament and behaviour?

Perhaps you could post some photos of them as I for one, have never seen a perfect horse.

As an aside, being paid thousands and having a waiting list is indeed a sign of a good horse and good breeding programme- such a shame that the horse in the OP which weaved sold for thousands and my grey boy in my signature who weaved had a long waiting list when I sold him (through word of mouth, no advertising even required :))
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This post says it all. You had and sold a weaver! Of course you would both disagree and be on the offensive!

My horses are sold for thousands as youngsters, it is the bloodline and the proven potential of lineage that they achieve such a high sum.

And you could not afford one of our horses, even if you could we would not sell to you, we vet the homes our horses go to very carefully and to a high degree. Therefore our horses only ever go to quality worldwide horsemanship homes where they are given the very best of everything, including treatment, care and education!

Can you imagine the consequence of one of our horse's developing a vice, brought on by ignorant owners and such... God forbid!

You will be glad to read I am now off to 'Martha's Vineyard' for three weeks.
So no more response here from me.

Yes I shall enjoy my well earned holiday, paid for off the back of my stunning, perfect horses.
 
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Crikey. Haven't seen such a silly thread in ages! 80 odd replies, and about three of them were sensible and knew how to debate without attacking the poster (and they were all Tarrsteps I think!) The irony is that both sides WERE spouting intelligent opinions, but they were incapable of considering any other view but their own, so they just came across as stupid. What a shame. Its an interesting topic, but who wants to join in this "debate". Lots of dummies flying around on this thread.
 
Some People said:
And you could not afford one of our horses, even if you could we would not sell to you, we vet the homes our horses go to very carefully and to a high degree. Therefore our horses only ever go to quality worldwide horsemanship homes where they are given the very best of everything, including treatment, care and education!
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Now I've read it all.

TROLL.
 
Honey08 said:
Crikey. Haven't seen such a silly thread in ages! 80 odd replies, and about three of them were sensible and knew how to debate without attacking the poster (and they were all Tarrsteps I think!) The irony is that both sides WERE spouting intelligent opinions, but they were incapable of considering any other view but their own, so they just came across as stupid. What a shame. Its an interesting topic, but who wants to join in this "debate". Lots of dummies flying around on this thread.
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Bit harsh, SP was very obviously trolling. Cheered up my Friday though
 
Honey08 said:
Crikey. Haven't seen such a silly thread in ages! 80 odd replies, and about three of them were sensible and knew how to debate without attacking the poster (and they were all Tarrsteps I think!) The irony is that both sides WERE spouting intelligent opinions, but they were incapable of considering any other view but their own, so they just came across as stupid. What a shame. Its an interesting topic, but who wants to join in this "debate". Lots of dummies flying around on this thread.
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Well debates do get heated, especially when feelings run strong.

People really have to appreciate that when people breed good horses for the competition world, only to see them ruined by poor management, training and riders unwilling to put a good foundation on a young horse before trying to successfully compete the whole thing looks like a car crash.

It is shamefull that people can lightly dismiss the vices these poor horses have got through the system they are put through. These vices are horses screaming at people to do something different. To say you can put up with a vice without trying to sort it, is criminal and uncareing in the extream.

If horses displaying these vices failed vettings to compete, the owners/riders would get the kick up the backside they deserve.
 
I'm wondering which stud this is that's selling perfect horses for thousands to carefully vetted homes around the world... might put a cheeky tenner on the fact that William/Pippa Funnell had a day off, I always did think those Billy horses were too good to be true :rolleyes::p
 
Honey08 said:
Crikey. Haven't seen such a silly thread in ages! 80 odd replies, and about three of them were sensible and knew how to debate without attacking the poster (and they were all Tarrsteps I think!) The irony is that both sides WERE spouting intelligent opinions, but they were incapable of considering any other view but their own, so they just came across as stupid. What a shame. Its an interesting topic, but who wants to join in this "debate". Lots of dummies flying around on this thread.
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:)

I've been reading about the Russian tame fox experiments - very interesting re this subject, as it touches on "packages" of genes and how an animal's innate make up determines how it perceives and reacts to stress.

I still just think it's very easy to say what people *should* do. Really, we should ALL ride/manage our horses better. End of. No one I know is doing it perfectly, and even at the most base levels we keep them in proscribed areas, and rarely in static family based social groups.

So we do the best with what we've got. It's fantastic that some people have the wherewithal to only breed/keep ideal horses and do only and ever exactly right by them. Alas, most people don't live in that world. Personally, I think ANYTHING anyone can do to improve even one situation is progress and sometimes that's as good as it gets. Not that academic but at least it gets me out the door in the morning. :)
 
TarrSteps said:
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I've been reading about the Russian tame fox experiments - very interesting re this subject, as it touches on "packages" of genes and how an animal's innate make up determines how it perceives and reacts to stress.

I still just think it's very easy to say what people *should* do. Really, we should ALL ride/manage our horses better. End of. No one I know is doing it perfectly, and even at the most base levels we keep them in proscribed areas, and rarely in static family based social groups.

So we do the best with what we've got. It's fantastic that some people have the wherewithal to only breed/keep ideal horses and do only and ever exactly right by them. Alas, most people don't live in that world. Personally, I think ANYTHING anyone can do to improve even one situation is progress and sometimes that's as good as it gets. Not that academic but at least it gets me out the door in the morning. :)
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Well I did not expect this post to get so heated. It was after all only a question.

Personally, I think ANYTHING anyone can do to improve even one situation is progress.

imo This reply is the most sensible of them all.
 
I have a horse that weaves. She has never been and never will be a competition horse, she is pertty much retired but likes to be stabled in the winter, should I do away with her as she is deemed no use to some of you :mad:. She is my pet and very happy and very well cared for
 
Some People said:
Had you bothered to read the entire post, you would have seen I was not referring to genetics.

I repeat NO HORSE IS BORN BAD, just bad owners/trainers/handlers/riders!!!!!!"

I am not saying all horses are born without a genetic disorder, be it mental or otherwise, but like I said, we had already stated 'with the exception of genetics'!

Having said that. I come from a long line of horse breeders. My ancestors bred them and I expect the generations which follow will continue to do so.

And yes, all my horses are perfect in everyway, including temperament and conformation. If we all treated our horses in a better kinder and respectful way, then horses who are GENETIC FREE would not develop major issues/vices.

Finally thank you realising my ability and complimenting me on just how amazing I am as a horseperson and yes I have bred and reared youngsters to have wonderful temperaments, fantastic conformation, ability and guess what VICE FREE!
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Some animals are born bad, in that they do not conform to the behaviour that we expect from a domestic animal and never will, due to their temperaments. I did read your post and if you say that no horse is born bad, then that is obviously referring to genetics!

Not sure if it was you who brought up the grey gene, but Appy colouring has nothing to do with the grey gene. Any colour horse can grey out, if it has the grey gene. It is dominant. If a horse has it, it will grey. It will go through various stages as it ages, probaby including dapples and ultimately white, if it lives that long.

I'm very sorry to disillusion you, but there is no such thing as the perfect horse, or the perfect person! It is all a matter of opinion.

What you seem to be saying is, that if a horse is unfortunate enough not to have had the perfect upbringing, through no fault of its own, then we should punish the horse for it by consigning it to the scrap heap, even though it may be an amazing competition horse and have usefull life despite it's vices etc. and probably be happy in it's own way.

Obviously, if people can only cope with vice free, non quirky horses, then that is what they should buy and own. Otherwise, they will probably only make the animal worse! If, however, they are experienced and competent enough to handle and help the horse I don't see the problem in them buying it.

Highly intelligent people are quirky, so why not horses? Everyone has different stress levels that they can cope with, and deal with them in different ways. Why do you think that horses are any different?

Finally, yes, it's true that an awful lot of horses are ruined by people, but it isn't the horses fault. The world isn't perfect and never will be!
 
I'm off to the Bahamas now, to live off the income from my amazing debating skills! LOL!
Not really, off to bed, as on foal watch again tonight!
Trolls are such fun! Bless them!
 
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