Would you report someone not declaring their earnings?

Yes, you will findn getting work harder-quite rightly. All the people who abided by the laws and proved themsevles to be decent upstanding citizens by not commiting a criminal offence( or-I appreciate getting caught..) will be ahead of you in the line-how is that wrong?
'everyone that is earning or working puts tax into the economy even if they are working cash in hand like I said if someone is suplementing their income with a little cash in hand Fine by me... but if they are making a good living and not paying a good lump of tax then thats not so good ... '
Why should it only apply to people who are making 'good money'-everyone should pay what they are meant to and everyone should be entitled to the benefits that the system provides and they are eligible for.
 
I loved the news article on here a while ago about the benefit cheats that got caught. Everyone was going "good one".

But there again if you cant do the time dont do the crime. Must be nice to be above the law.

I take it these grooms dont have horses of their own because they wont be able to afford luxurys or even cars, or are us tax payers paying for those as well. And what about their N.I. contributions?
 
miss_molly said:
Just wondering? A few local "grooms" near me who advertise for paid work and have no insurance (I have enquired as a paying customer). Im assuming as no insurance then they also do not declare their earnings. Would you report them inlight of HMRC clamping down on this sort of thing?

Seems petty but why should some people pay all the correct taxes, insurance, NI etc and other just keep all they earn and not declare?
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Wow not nice to do that leave alone their work is irregular and they probably earn rubbish money anyway. I suppose if you feel that strong offer to pay their NI and employ them etc
plus not exactly a job with longevity(risk injury etc). I can understand more the concern them not being insured but not the tax. How would you like that to be reported by someone unless you are putting them through your books on a yard and have to inform the tax man that you are an employer and they employee.

Leave alone.
 
perfect11s said:
Im going to tell on you nah nah nanh haw !!!! its not fair she got an extra bit of cake because she helped the dinner lady!!!! yes envy real childish playground stuff ... talk about spite and jelousy !!!!!
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I am so sorry but i have not got a clue what you are trying to say - I must be getting old.
 
No! I wouldn't dream of it. They probably don't earn enough after expenses to pay tax anyway. I can't believe anyone would even think of it. Sure, if someone was raking in tens of thousands of profit and not declaring I would have more sympathy with a tell tale but still, I probably wouldn't do it myself, despite the huge amount of tax our household pays out.
 
While you're looking back at your threads, look up a few about how much to pay a groom. Most people suggested well under £10/hr, most pay minimum wage.

I've been a groom, and no I couldn't afford a horse or a decent car. It was the poorest I've ever been. I worked my butt off.

I've also employed a groom. She did indeed pay NI and tax, and was insured. She had a really cheap horse that she schooled on herself, and a knackered car that she couldn't get fixed when it broke. She was a fantastic groom. Her salary was about £10k a year - and she had a house to run. She worked so many hours too.

Neither of us work with horses anymore.

I don't begrudge anyone on a low wage who earns the odd £10 now and again. I bet half of the livery yards that people on here are on don't pay tax. Has everyone checked that out?

I know someone, very well, who hasn't worked more than three years in his adult life. He is in his 40s and knows every trick in the book to squeeze money out of the state. To be fair, when he has worked, employers have not treated him well and he has not earned much more than he does on benefit. So why bother? Thats more of a problem in the economy (because there are millions of people like him - the state has created them) than anyone who makes a cash in hand small amount now and again.
 
I doubt that many grooms earn enough to pay tax. AFAIA you can earn £6 odd k before you have to pay tax these days.

I'm sure the tax man has much bigger fish to fry and I'd rather they used tax payer's money chasing after them than the likes of more than likely part-time freelance grooms.
 
perfect11s said:
Im going to tell on you nah nah nanh haw !!!! its not fair she got an extra bit of cake because she helped the dinner lady!!!! yes envy real childish playground stuff ... talk about spite and jelousy !!!!!
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This made me laugh. :D My mother (a school teacher) used to say to us, "The teller of the tale is as bad as the doer of the deed." Took the wind out of our sails if we were snitching.
 
Honey08 said:
I don't begrudge anyone on a low wage who earns the odd £10 now and again. I bet half of the livery yards that people on here are on don't pay tax. Has everyone checked that out?
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You know, the older I get, the less I can be bothered with what other people do. If they don't pay tax then they run the risk of being caught. If they don't have insurance then they may find themselves in a real financial predicament should they seriously injure themselves. If they don't pay NI then they don't get a pension and could be prosecuted for non-payment. All I am interested in is a good work ethic, I will cover insurance for grooms, if they don't file their taxes it does not affect me.

Also, Honey, very good point you made about some livery yards! Again I couldn't care less what others do, it's them who run the risk of it all falling apart, not me.
 
Honey08 said:
While you're looking back at your threads, look up a few about how much to pay a groom. Most people suggested well under £10/hr, most pay minimum wage.

I've been a groom, and no I couldn't afford a horse or a decent car. It was the poorest I've ever been. I worked my butt off.

I've also employed a groom. She did indeed pay NI and tax, and was insured. She had a really cheap horse that she schooled on herself, and a knackered car that she couldn't get fixed when it broke. She was a fantastic groom. Her salary was about £10k a year - and she had a house to run. She worked so many hours too.

Neither of us work with horses anymore.

I don't begrudge anyone on a low wage who earns the odd £10 now and again. I bet half of the livery yards that people on here are on don't pay tax. Has everyone checked that out?

I know someone, very well, who hasn't worked more than three years in his adult life. He is in his 40s and knows every trick in the book to squeeze money out of the state. To be fair, when he has worked, employers have not treated him well and he has not earned much more than he does on benefit. So why bother? Thats more of a problem in the economy (because there are millions of people like him - the state has created them) than anyone who makes a cash in hand small amount now and again.
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Exactly 100%
 
Theyre probably not making enough to pay tax on it, its likely to be irregular work as well, so it wouldnt really bother me, but if they were working and claiming benefits, I do have a problem with that and id shop them in a heartbeat
 
marmalade76 said:
I doubt that many grooms earn enough to pay tax. AFAIA you can earn £6 odd k before you have to pay tax these days.

I'm sure the tax man has much bigger fish to fry and I'd rather they used tax payer's money chasing after them than the likes of more than likely part-time freelance grooms.
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True. For some reason people get more upset and indignant about low-income poorer "black economy" cheats than the huge sums de-frauded by the rich. I suppose they're easier to spot.

I personally don't believe the system is always fair, just and right. I don't think the rights and wrongs are simple. And I'd hate to be responsible for someone getting a criminal record for something they've perhaps done out of desperation or foolishness without realizing the consequences.
 
FionaM12 said:
This made me laugh. :D My mother (a school teacher) used to say to us, "The teller of the tale is as bad as the doer of the deed." Took the wind out of our sails if we were snitching.
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Absolutely but would those running to tell tales of grooms earning a few pounds do it anonimously or would they have the courage of their convictions to tell them that they had reported them ?
Seems very mean spirited to me. Better to target the serious tax dodgers with good accountants who know every trick in the book.
 
Honey08 said:
While you're looking back at your threads, look up a few about how much to pay a groom. Most people suggested well under £10/hr, most pay minimum wage.

I've been a groom, and no I couldn't afford a horse or a decent car. It was the poorest I've ever been. I worked my butt off.

I've also employed a groom. She did indeed pay NI and tax, and was insured. She had a really cheap horse that she schooled on herself, and a knackered car that she couldn't get fixed when it broke. She was a fantastic groom. Her salary was about £10k a year - and she had a house to run. She worked so many hours too.

Neither of us work with horses anymore.

I don't begrudge anyone on a low wage who earns the odd £10 now and again. I bet half of the livery yards that people on here are on don't pay tax. Has everyone checked that out?

I know someone, very well, who hasn't worked more than three years in his adult life. He is in his 40s and knows every trick in the book to squeeze money out of the state. To be fair, when he has worked, employers have not treated him well and he has not earned much more than he does on benefit. So why bother? Thats more of a problem in the economy (because there are millions of people like him - the state has created them) than anyone who makes a cash in hand small amount now and again.
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Have worked as a stud groom and as you can imagine was not paid well so know what its like, but paid tax and NI. worked 6 and a half days a week just to make ends meet.

£10 an hour without paying tax is a good wage.

Love the debates on here they get your mind going before you have to go to bed! LOL!
 
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horserider said:
Absolutely but would those running to tell tales of grooms earning a few pounds do it anonimously or would they have the courage of their convictions to tell them that they had reported them ?
Seems very mean spirited to me. Better to target the serious tax dodgers with good accountants who know every trick in the book.
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No they most likley woudent but would very likely be the first to moan and winge about paying a fair wage to a groom if they were all doing it by the book and charged upwards of £25 hour to make the books balance!!!!
they also most likely have £30k+ a year non jobs earning more than their worth pen pushing and adding to the countrys overheads too!!!!
 
I have a job I like and am paid a fairly low but regular salary, all above board. I know I'm lucky.

Years ago, I was married to someone with (I've found out since) undiagnosed mental health issues which lead to compulsive spending, drinking and illegal drug taking. For various reasons- we were parents - it wasn't easy for me to walk away from the marriage so by association I ended up in a desperate financial and social situation.

Those dark days are behind me now, but they gave me an insight into how one's view can change. There was little I wouldn't have done to help avoid losing my childrens' home, or to pay off the bad debt.

I would never judge anyone's actions now, even benefit fraud. You never know the full story. There but for the grace, and all that.
 
I would not bother... Tax office does not care any way... They never seem to follow complaints up....

If they were claiming benefits and earning then they tend to jump on them.

What annoys me is that I am paying for these tax dodgers pension, police, hospital, NHS..... All because I am a law abiding citizen.... :(
 
FionaM12 said:
I have a job I like and am paid a fairly low but regular salary, all above board. I know I'm lucky.

Years ago, I was married to someone with (I've found out since) undiagnosed mental health issues which lead to compulsive spending, drinking and illegal drug taking. For various reasons- we were parents - it wasn't easy for me to walk away from the marriage so by association I ended up in a desperate financial and social situation.

Those dark days are behind me now, but they gave me an insight into how one's view can change. There was little I wouldn't have done to help avoid losing my childrens' home, or to pay off the bad debt.

I would never judge anyone's actions now, even benefit fraud. You never know the full story. There but for the grace, and all that.
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While i sympathise with your situation, benefit theft runs into millions that we all pay for, and i have to say if it was hit on the head and benefit cheats prosecuted, the really genuine cases and families would receive what they truly need the money would be there for them
 
marydoll said:
While i sympathise with your situation, benefit theft runs into millions that we all pay for, and i have to say if it was hit on the head and benefit cheats prosecuted, the really genuine cases and families would receive what they truly need the money would be there for them
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Hear hear! - Its not the genuine cases I have issue with, its the thieves and fraudsters that I have issue with. There is help there for those who need it, this is restricted by thieves and that is what this dodgers and fraudsters are!
 
AndiK said:
What annoys me is that I am paying for these tax dodgers pension, police, hospital, NHS..... All because I am a law abiding citizen.... :(
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Low paid workers earning a few extra quid on the side don't annoy me too much, but bankers giving themselves fat bonuses and golden handshakes are annoying. The rich get richer and the poor work harder to pay bank charges.
 
marydoll said:
While i sympathise with your situation, benefit theft runs into millions that we all pay for, and i have to say if it was hit on the head and benefit cheats prosecuted, the really genuine cases and families would receive what they truly need the money would be there for them
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I honestly don't believe it's that simple. As I say, I think the rights and wrongs are complex.

Sometimes, good people do bad things. I'll not be the one to report them and potentially ruin their lives. If I'd done something foolish in my desperate situation and been caught, I'd not be elligible for the work I do now.

If others want to report their friends and neighbours, that's up to them too. But I wouldn't sleep at night.
 
The tax system allows for those who dont earn much to apy much less back to the state to allow for the 'low earning' being moaned about.
I personally think it is more unfair people are giving away 50% of their earnings -thats 6 months of the year you work for free-and maybe that wouldn't be necessary if everyone paid their dues
 
marydoll said:
While i sympathise with your situation, benefit theft runs into millions that we all pay for, and i have to say if it was hit on the head and benefit cheats prosecuted, the really genuine cases and families would receive what they truly need the money would be there for them
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The simple answer is ,no they wouldnt,the reason is that the cost of chasing benefit cheats exceeds the amount they government would save. I dont like it but it happens to be true.
 
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