Would You Say This Horse Is 'Scopey' [FINALLY working!!] take alook?

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Depends really because non of the jumps look 1.10, although looks like she's careful and enjoying herself so I don't see why not.

All I would say is at Newcomers level, courses do get more technical so you need to really be in control and jumping sensibly and confidently. It's not just a case of whether they have the ability to jump that hight or not. :)
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
FINALLY do u think shes scopey enough for newcomers [110cm 0r 3.6ft]


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Ingore postion LOL
whaat you think?
NO rude comments

thanks x
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are best is a 4,6ft spread too and shes a 15.1hh
 
She looks capable enough. She does look a little green - as if she's jumping high due to spooking? Have you done any lower BSJA classes with her? See how she goes on and work your way up. She looks lovely.
 
Ditto firstpost. 1m10 is nothing really if you have a good horse and are confident, so yes, in a nutshell, I'd think she'd get round it fine but possibly her max out would be 1.20's in time I would guess from the pics.
However, I do think you would have to work on the schooling side of things a lot more based from the videos posted the other week [changes, rhythm, pace, balance, stridings etc] rather than getting height focussed.
As from previous experiences, I've always found them to be well up to height and definately a lot bigger than what 1'10's feel like at home -plus the jumpoff or second phases after which suddenly seem enourmous from the first round.
Though we all know how pants I am when it comesto SJ ;)

Good luck and have fun....she looks like you have a lot of fun with her! :D
 
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You have to remember that EVERY fence is 1.10m, with big spreads, and poss 1.20m in the jump off. It is no good saying that you can jump a 4ft6 spread, that is a one off, you need to work on jumping a course of 1.20m, ensuring you have good balance, control and athleticism before considering a NC. Start at BN and work your way up :)
 
its not all about how 'scopey' the horse is. you can get the scopiest horse who wouldnt get round anything bigger than 3'3 becasue it just doenst have the basics/schooling/head to jump any bgger than that. Most horses could quite happily pop round a newcomers with the right rider who makes sure they are balanced the whole way round, and have a good rhythm. I think its wrong for it to all come down to the horses scope. You need to be able to ride it aswell.
 
BSJAShowjumper123 said:
oohh i have jumped 130cm corses beforee :D x
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Is that a 1.30m course built correctly though, with up to width spreads, correctly strided distances and dog legs, unrelated distance, etc? There is a world of difference popping round a course built at home, and one built by a BSJA course builder. EG a 3ft6 open unaffiliated is nothing like a 3ft6 affiliated course (well none I have seen at local shows, etc.) I would suggest that you find a BSJA accredited trainer in your area and have a lesson specifying that you want the session to evaluate your ability (as in you and the horse) to jump round a NC course - they will be very honest with you.
 
Having just read the thread and looked at the pictures. Your horse has a nice jump though inexperienced. Ditto advice regards having lessons with BSJA accredited coach and starting off at the lower levels, otherwise you will frighten your horse and may ruin what looks to be a promising future. Just take your time there is no rush.
 
From those pics i'd say you have alot of work to do before you go jumping newc, but i'd also say start with british nov and discovery working your way up, also remeber different places have different course builders who all do different things, the place i regularlly jump at has 3 course builders, one really builds up to height, on doesn't and the other works off unpleasent angles and uses half strides alot!!
 
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This is the little black pony you put a video of on here a while ago. Looks like it is still rushing and using speed to get over them, rather than power. You can't qualify scopey from a few random stills. You need to see how the horse jumps, and the really scopey ones make it look effortless. TBH yours looks a bit anxious and as though there's little rhythm and rideability.

Probably do 1.10's OK but only after serious schooling to make steering and placing to the fence effortless. You can't afford to have missers once the fences start going above a metre, and really you should be able to get the shot you want most of the time.

You seem to be in as much of a hurry to get out there as the horse is to get over the fence and if I'm going to be really truthful, you aren't sitting like a rider who is in control. On any of the pics. This leads me to believe you haven't the 1.30m experience you say.
 
As others have said, most horses will pop 1m10 quite easily. But asking them to do a whole course of them is different. Your mare looks to be rushing at the fences quite a bit and you dont seem to be holding her enough into the fences (which in turn could be rushing her). I would spend more time on dressage/flat work and work your way up. I don't think either of you look experienced enough to do a NC. Sorry, she does seem genuine but you don't want to rush her!

My horse has scope to jump a CR at NC. But doesn't mean we could actually go and do it!

Good luck
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From the pictures posted the mare needs to learn to jump more off of her hocks and use her back over a fence. She seems to be jumping through speed not through power.

As said above there is a huge difference between a 1.10 course at home and a 1.10 course affiliated, your spreads are no where near wide enough (even for BN), add to that she is a little mare so needs to jumping in bold into a double to make the distance.

You need to have a stronger lower leg and upper body position.

Jumping is all about flat work, control and power, without your flat work you will never get round a course at BN let alone NC, it is your job to get the horse to the fence, the horses job to jump it. Flatwork, flatwork and more flatwork is the key to be successful showjumping. As again said above some lessons will help you both to achieve your dream.
 
when i was 12, i found out my pony had one heck of a jump, so i affiliated her and dived straight in there, i fell off because she ran out and a double which she had NEVER done before in unaffiliated classes. it was deflating as i thought she could manage it. so i took her for a few lessons with a well known eventer, got some lessons and figured out all we needed to do was establish proper control and balance. we were fine after. do it properly. the courses are very different and you really need to ride the courses.

ensure you have the basics and for the more demanding tracks, you need to work on your position and get some lessons with someone who knows what their doing, other wise, you have a promising pony! good luck.
 
I agree with the others. Zoom can quite easily pop over a 3'6 + jump at home with a spread and everything. HOWEVER, we have only managed to get out unaff showjumping a couple of times and we haven't even gone clear over 2'6!!!! In fact we had a pole in the 2'3 :eek:

Zoom just doesn't have the balance and control to jump a bigger course of fences yet - and I'm not a good enough rider to get her going - simples!
 
man i am going to sound so mean now :( but the horse in question doesn't really look to have a lot of scope some of the hind action is good and she seems fairly careful but not scope. Flat-work is needed to balance her and tbh aloft of it is down to natural ability/talent that has been used and improved from an early age... but on a plus she looks nice and with lessons i reckon you two will do greatt :D
 
I've just seen the video that Brighteyes mentions and I really think you need to scrap all thoughts of 1.10 for now, and for the sake of your horse find a good instructor who will take you right back to basics. Your horse looks very confused in the video and your riding is the cause of this. :(
 
Is it me, or are some replies on here a bit bitchy? Not very constructive or helpful...

As an instructor I would say the horse looks to have a nice jump, and the rider has a reasonable position. Not the best, and could be improved with work, but undeserving of some of the critical posts on here! The poster seems a bit unexperienced,and comments reminding that BSJA courses will be technical and up to height are useful, as are ones suggesting lessons and starting at lower levels. Ripping someone's riding to bits is not. Overall they are a nice picture together, with potential. Comments saying the rider is hopeless and ruining the horse are untrue and in my opinion a bit mean.

Think about how you would feel if someone posted that about your riding when you post, and then see if you can post it in a kinder way... Rant over!
 
I think if you'd seen the videos that some of us have of the OP jumping this horse you would understand where peoples' 'concerns', are coming from.
 
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