WOW Saddle on eBay not as described

why are we getting so het up over the different terms for new ! OK it could have been worded differently but last time I checked trading law 'brand new' has no legal definition or relevance.
 
FlashyP said:
Looking at the description it is obvious the seller isn't that knowledgeable about the Wow system, i.e. no details about seat size, type of panels, head plate, etc., all things someone wanting one of these saddles would want to know, and the ad says it'll fit around a horse around 15.2-16hh, size of horse is irrelevant for most saddles I'd have thought! However, I do think it was misleading not to say it is 8 years old on the advert initially. The seller waited to be promoted by the OP to do this. the owners health problems, however awful, are irrelevant. I've been looking at Wow's a lot recently. I've been buying and selling a few to get the right parts I need. I've bought 2006/2007 models with the resin seats for £450-£570, 2011/2012 models I've bought for £700-£800. They've all been in decent condition, not unused, but good condition. I definitely wouldn't pay more than £600 for a model of this age with a resin seat, no matter how good its condition was.
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Just as the sellers health issues are irrelevant so are your musings on the price ! Like every thing on ebay its buyer beware and a contract is between a willing seller and buyer so what does it matter what you think its worth. If they want to much clearly it wont sell.
 
popsdosh said:
Just as the sellers health issues are irrelevant so are your musings on the price ! Like every thing on ebay its buyer beware and a contract is between a willing seller and buyer so what does it matter what you think its worth. If they want to much clearly it wont sell.
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Hmmm, well the thread is about an overpriced, ambiguously/inaccurately described saddle, so price it is somewhat relevant, obviously my opinions are just that, opinions, and are on a public forum and open to criticism by anyone, so critisicm is fair enough :) But I'm still not sure how a person's health could ever be relevant in selling a saddle/car/house etc etc other than as in a passing comment for the reason for sale.
As the saddle was originally described as 'brand new' with no mention of the age, a reasonable person wouldn't therefore assume it could be 8 years old, so they may have been a 'willing buyer' for a new saddle (which I think most people would take as being recently made, probably within the last few months or so) as it was described, but they wouldn't have been getting that, so I guess if I had been the buyer then I would have been a bit miffed, but I totally agree with you it's definitely a buyer beware situation!
 
Llanali said:
I'm incredulous that a criminal.psychologist can diagnose a "pathological" mental need from one forum post and one eBay question. With instantaneous distance diagnostic abilities like that I bet they are in huge demand.
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And if they are in clinical practice acting against their own code of practice ooops!
 
Thank you for all the contributions to this, as stated previously the OP was informed within minutes of her EBay question via EBay and under my husbands own initiative he amended the listing to clarify. An hour after the OP was given a clear and concise answer the Op goes to a public forum to deny having had any communication from my husband although not attempting any further communication either on EBay, email or the mobile phone number provided on EBay. The OP has taken it upon themselves to use extraordinary terminology which has led to a great deal of distress and anguish. The health issue was in reply to the OP, my advice to all is to follow the normal procedure and to ask questions and give advice where one feels the need to in a reasonable and polite manner and to always ascertain the profession before making defamatory remarks to your intended target.

I reiterate I neither needed nor wanted the sale and a look at my husbands ebay listings and report only verifies he is a person of integrity and not what the OP suggested......ad hominem.
 
popsdosh said:
Like every thing on ebay its buyer beware and a contract is between a willing seller and buyer so what does it matter what you think its worth. If they want to much clearly it wont sell.
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No, it's not buyer beware on e-bay. The item has to be appropriately described and it's the text of the ad that matters. Even if a fault is visible in a picture it must be described in the text of the ad, and the seller should certainly not assume people will ask questions, more photos or make a phone call. The rules are really clear, if an item is not as described it can be returned.

IMO the listing was misleading in part because there was no mention that the saddle was outdated (only stated that it was new with quote of the price of a new saddle so one could assume that was indeed the value of the saddle) and also because it said that the saddle is completely adjustable when apparently it is not, but probably not fraudulent as the seller did not seem very knowledgeable about saddles (saying for example if would fit a particular range of sizes of horse).

The replies from the seller/seller's partner are however overly dramatic really but it seems that she hasn't been well advised as in those cases it always seems better to just take some distance and let it go. The distress is coming from wounding oneself up over something that is not worth it, a simple mislead/exaggerated forum thread.
 
This will be my one and only post on H&H. I posted the advert for the WOW saddle on eBay in all good faith and have this to say to "ycbm" who initiated this unnecessary thread, which I would have known nothing about had it not been for another eBay user alerting me to its existence:-

Frankly you are in my opinion the kind of person who gives the horse world a bad name and causes the kind of jealousies we will see up and down the country in a few days time at the Boxing Day Meets.

Whether we sell the saddle or not is irrelevant, I am far more concerned at the distress you have caused my wife in having to re-live the agony of having to give up riding due to arthritis. I am also extremely annoyed at your defamation of my character and probity on a public forum.

You asked a question as to the age of the saddle through eBay and I replied 5 minutes later. If you felt there was any problem with the item description any normal person would have come back through eBay and suggested an amendment to the listing. As it was clear to me that the description was not clear to you, I had already updated the listing myself, for as you would have seen had you taken the trouble, I have a 100% eBay reputation as both a buyer and a seller.

To burst into print defaming my character on a public forum 50 minutes after you had been answered, frankly beggars belief. I have bought hundreds of items unseen on eBay from camera's to cars and after asking questions and often ringing the vendor have not had one single problem, neither has any purchaser of anything which I have sold.

I suggest that you employ some of your obviously considerable spare time in contacting Horse & Hound and getting your defamatory comments removed.
 
Palindrome said:
No, it's not buyer beware on e-bay. The item has to be appropriately described and it's the text of the ad that matters. Even if a fault is visible in a picture it must be described in the text of the ad, and the seller should certainly not assume people will ask questions, more photos or make a phone call. The rules are really clear, if an item is not as described it can be returned.

IMO the listing was misleading in part because there was no mention that the saddle was outdated (only stated that it was new with quote of the price of a new saddle so one could assume that was indeed the value of the saddle) and also because it said that the saddle is completely adjustable when apparently it is not, but probably not fraudulent as the seller did not seem very knowledgeable about saddles (saying for example if would fit a particular range of sizes of horse).

The replies from the seller/seller's partner are however overly dramatic really but it seems that she hasn't been well advised as in those cases it always seems better to just take some distance and let it go. The distress is coming from wounding oneself up over something that is not worth it, a simple mislead/exaggerated forum thread.
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Get real !!!! so the OPs original rants were not over dramatic . I hope you never get put in the same situation if you advertise something. We get it all the time on here bitching comments about others adverts when the OPs have no interest in the object apart from something to ridicule it doesnt show the perpetrators in a good light or indeed those who seek to join in . Its kids playground stuff!!! This sort of activity does draw a very fine line that when crossed could lead to legal action.
Oh and on the subject of ebay you totally believe what is in the description of every article and everybody is telling the whole story( even if its an honest mistake) do you really feel the majority are that naive or maybe just you. Good luck when you try and get your money back!
 
popsdosh said:
Oh and on the subject of ebay you totally believe what is in the description of every article and everybody is telling the whole story( even if its an honest mistake) do you really feel the majority are that naive or maybe just you. Good luck when you try and get your money back!
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^^ I think ebay is quite clear on that - I buy and sell a lot on ebay, and feel they quite routinely side with the buyer when there's any kind of dispute. It's not unheard of - there have been enough reports on here - for a buyer to keep the item they have complained about AND get a refund, and for the seller to be left out of pocket. for me, *that's* why it pays to be ultra-transparent in your description. Could quite easily have gone that way in this case.
 
ester said:
Christ I don't think we really needed the full lowdown on someone's health issues just because of a saddle for sale.

there were clear inaccuracies in the posting (including price paid) and even now given the tree difference etc compared to current saddles I don't think you can say that it would cost £2600 today. I suspect that none of the inaccuracies were to to deliberately mislead but that doesn't stop them being there and I am not sure why ycmb should be expected to head into potentially lengthy discussions over ebay with someone they don't know and whom she has no juristiction over in order for them to be corrected.
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JFTD said:
I read that post out to my house guests and hilarity ensued ;)
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I would just like to inform everyone that I had a dinner party the other day we were not discussing this thread because I had not seen it then, but at the party we had a child studying at primary school, a farmer, a groom/riding instructor, a stay at home mum, another person (not sure what he does) and a psychologist who is also a paralegal and specialises in bailiff law (ok, that was me). I have to say OP, perhaps not your best post, and yes, it did come across a bit venomous and as if you were 'on a mission'. However, the seller was a bit off the wall too... Im sorry (seller) that you are poorly, Im glad you have a great husband and friends... but really name dropping... so crude!
 
Oh QB. You must have looked so out of the loop not to have been discussing this thread... Your guests must've been so disappointed :p
 
JFTD said:
Oh QB. You must have looked so out of the loop not to have been discussing this thread... Your guests must've been so disappointed :p
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I am mortified... I can hardly be considered hostess of the year when Im not up to speed on 'THE HHO TOPICS!!!!' (although we did talk SS) :D ;)

milliepops said:
:biggrin3::biggrin3::biggrin3::biggrin3::biggrin3: top marks for pulling this thread back guys!
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would you expect anything less? ;) Lol!

JFTD said:
shhh we'll be accused of bullying or something in a minute ;)
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>>>inserts halo smiley for me<<<

>>>inserts devil smiley for you<<<
 
Satanic? Me?

Noooo. I mean, my horse raised Mephistopheles himself and did a deal with Lucifer for his soul... But I didn't help him at all. Other than writing out Jehovah's name backwards and all that, what with him not having opposable thumbs to hold the chalk...

There's no dancing naked under the full moon or anything.
 
Firefly9410 said:
There probably should be on this thread, it would fit in with all the other madness.
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If P&V or Milliepops would care to join us we could be an online coven and dance naked around our laptops on the next full moon? Best leave the webcams off. TFC would be forced to slap our wrists if we put that on here!
 
JFTD said:
If P&V or Milliepops would care to join us we could be an online coven and dance naked around our laptops on the next full moon? Best leave the webcams off. TFC would be forced to slap our wrists if we put that on here!
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lol! Count me in... and since we're forming a dark and twisty demonic, cultist, chicken head eating group... are we not missing someone? Shills oh Shills!! where are you!!
 
JFTD said:
How Festive. The next full moon is Christmas Day. Won't that be naked, daemon-raising fun!
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come down to cornwall for some midwinter solstice fun.... im sure hell mouth is opening up its still 14 degrees down here!! warm enough for dancing naked in the standing stones, oh and if we are doing naked dancing - dont we need a morag wafter... starzaan was about yesterday!
 
Bit late for the solstice, but I'm not counting... It's bizarrely warm here too, but if the hell mouth opens I'll crack out my inner Buffy (lols, I do a better Giles!) and we'll get staking! Just careful of intimate splinters if we're still in the Buff, ass it were ;)

And yes. Shils and Starzaan are essential. We may have to kidnap them.
 
JFTD said:
Bit late for the solstice, but I'm not counting... It's bizarrely warm here too, but if the hell mouth opens I'll crack out my inner Buffy (lols, I do a better Giles!) and we'll get staking! Just careful of intimate splinters if we're still in the Buff, ass it were ;)

And yes. Shils and Starzaan are essential. We may have to kidnap them.
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buff - ass!! Boom Boooooom!!

I did used to love a bit of Biffy :D
 
My ass was a genuine typo, but I left it in for humorous effect ;)

Who doesn't enjoy a hell mouth, a remarkably athletic teenager, her goofy mates and their werewolf / cursed vampire / preying mantis love rs. And, of course, the delightful tweed wearing librarian...


ETA, this may be one of the most extreme thread hijackings I've ever been involved in...
 
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