WOW Saddle on eBay not as described

Prancer and Vixen said:
Do you still have pictures and a description... Im sure we could get an appraisal from OP and you can come in all guns blazing... do you have any special friends who could contribute, and a cushion to compare the flaps too? JFTD and I would be happy to derail the topic - multiple times and Mrs M can sit in the corner eating sweets and popcorn and getting it everywhere :p
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Works for me :)
 
Prancer and Vixen said:
yeah... but she's sorta already done that, what with her melting chocolate all down her trousers and all... just thought we could give her a slightly different job to do, but if she is insistent it must be chocolate orientated, thats ok.... After reading this thread though, I do hope Mrs M signs up for HHO SS next year, Im going to get her chocolate and a bib ;)
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So long as it's a pelican bib :D
 
ester said:
Actually MrsM always used to make hot choc...
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I'm out of practice...

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Prancer and Vixen said:
Do you still have pictures and a description... Im sure we could get an appraisal from OP and you can come in all guns blazing... do you have any special friends who could contribute, and a cushion to compare the flaps too? JFTD and I would be happy to derail the topic - multiple times and Mrs M can sit in the corner eating sweets and popcorn and getting it everywhere :p
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hahahahahahaha :biggrin3:
Just what I needed, having a cack day and this image is the perfect antedote. :lol::clap:
 
What an amazing thread.
This is way that I see it:
Someone who is an expert on WOW saddles and knows that people do make ill-informed purchases at times warns others that a saddle described as 'brand new' is not actually brand new at all. (Although not a legal term I would understand 'brand new to mean unused and current- that may be incorrect, but if I saw it like that other people may do too.)
There are then some eBay communication issues and the seller updates the description to explain the reason fo it being brand new even though it's 8 years old. OP is happy that the issue has been resolved. - but, for some reason, pointing out that a saddle was 8 years old has caused all sorts of emotional trauma.

I am not a legal expert but I know a little bit about defamation. In order for something to qualify as defamation it must be a lie. It must then be proven to have altered other people's opinions of the person to such an extent that it has a discernible impact on their professional or personal circumstances. Also, the person claiming defamation must have a positive reputation in the first place as they are claiming that this is what has been destroyed. I'm not sure that a 100% feedback record on eBay would count, but if it did they would only be able to pursue a case in relation to reputation on eBay; as this sort of thing must happen to lots of people I'm pretty sure it's a non-starter.
Thanks to all the people who cheered it up though!

And I'd just like to mention that I did once sell some stable mats to a QC. She became my friend but is likely to be the first person to dissuade from this sort of civil action as going to court is stressful and expensive. If the seller can't cope with someone questioning the age of a saddle then I'm not sure how they'd cope with a court case (which would cost far more than the proceeds from selling a saddle).
 
Nancykitt said:
Sorry ester, I do apologise, it's just that I was going to sell a leather girth, a bridle and a bit on eBay and I'm now really worried about what might happen...
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Lol virtually all transactions on eBay go by without a hitch.... and if not, take heart that you'll see your name in HHO lights soon enough with another hilarious and very strange thread ;)
 
Indeed I did actually manage to sell a saddle on Ebay with wait for it















no issues :eek:

Shocking I know, I feel I should contact the buyer's and see if they would like to start a thread to discuss it :D

x x
 
Nancykitt said:
But she is my friend because I sold her some stable mats! Which were exactly as described! Does that not give me the right to go in a different corner?
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You're allowed to not be in the naughty corner. The seller and his wife are definitely in the naughty corner.
 
I disagree, JFTD, and in the strongest possible terms. By selling an item as described, Nancykitt has wilfully deprived the buyer of her entitlement to start a bonkers thread explaining how disappointed she is with her purchase. The only fair course of restitution would be for her to sell the QC something else that is NOT as described, thus affording her the opportunity to whinge about it & throw a dinner party.

It's the Naughty Corner all the way until she has rectified this miscarriage of justice.

T x
 
catembi said:
I disagree, JFTD, and in the strongest possible terms. By selling an item as described, Nancykitt has wilfully deprived the buyer of her entitlement to start a bonkers thread explaining how disappointed she is with her purchase. The only fair course of restitution would be for her to sell the QC something else that is NOT as described, thus affording her the opportunity to whinge about it & throw a dinner party.

It's the Naughty Corner all the way until she has rectified this miscarriage of justice.

T x
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I'm in catembi's corner! Nancy is well out of line!!!
 
Oh my goodness me, this thead, this blimmin thread :lol:

Apart from the fact it's definitely not defamation, seller please do go retrieve your head, you're someone who sells things on eBay you're not anything to care about. A total percentage of 0% people (that is the stats from a maths major friend who I had to phone because I don't have dinner parties, perhaps I should I would have known about this mess sooner) are going to care about the fact someone made a post about you on H&H, infact I even doubt they'll know! You're acting like KEP on the whole hat turning into a chocolate orange thread thing but I digress. OP pointed out very well that there were issues with the ad and posted on H&H saying if anyone was in the market not to go for it for the reasons that (if you're not familiar with your WOW's) aren't obvious.

The whole health shpeal (even the mention on the ad) was unnecessary and going on the you're trying to act as a professional- overly personal. The crimial pathology comment was just silly and honestly I'm going to deflamate your character some more by saying I doubt a CP would ever even say that without at least one assesment of OP. I also doubt anything will be removed, there's nothing wrong about this post.

I could go on for another year but anyway, the saddle has only apparently been used once but there are clearly marks from leathers on the flaps. Only a very well used saddle could get those, definately not from a one time sit on type of job. I can't see how a saddle would get leather marks from being in storeage. It'd take a very heavy, very funny shaped object a lot of time for that to happen...

JFTD- come on fess up what's your and I quote "ulterior motive"?! I reckon you're their neighbour and you don't like their yippy (disclaimer: this is me deflating charachter by assuming seller has a dog and a yippy one at that) dog and are just doing this to get back on them! You horrible person! :lol:

Sorry I think someone has spiked my hot choc, I'm in a very funny mood today for some reason.
 
IMO this whole thread could have been avoided if the seller had simply scrolled down and ticked "used" instead of "new".

But we wouldn't have had 15 (so far, on my phone at any rate) pages of weirdness, and the seller's dinner party conversation would have been far less engaging, so I (and, no doubt, the QC, the criminal psychologist and Uncle Tom Cobleigh) am glad they didn't.
 
ester said:
That would have been that MrsM
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It might have been me, I threw Peroni all over the settee last night, maybe some went in her mug? I've been a bit too busy seeing my psychiatrist, behaviourist, probation officer, social worker and lawyer to post on this thread but you've all been doing a great job without me :D
 
Ignore the fact I definitely totally didn't get your name wrong in that silly post Ycbm, I think there was definitely more than a little of something in my hot choc! I'll be off hiding for eternity for my renaming of you :O
 
CowCob said:
JFTD- come on fess up what's your and I quote "ulterior motive"?! I reckon you're their neighbour and you don't like their yippy (disclaimer: this is me deflating charachter by assuming seller has a dog and a yippy one at that) dog and are just doing this to get back on them! You horrible person! :lol:
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I think you have me confused with the OP. I feel obliged to point this out as I have no specialist knowledge of WOWs at all. It would be wrong of me to allow you to believe otherwise.

My motives for posting on this thread are complicated... At Christmas time, it's hard but when you're having fun, there's a world outside your window and it's a world of lawsuits and drama, where the only saddles selling are misdescribed on e-bay. And the dinner parties they hold there are attended by demi-dig-ni-ties... Well tonight thank God it's them instead of you!

And there won't be fun with arthitis this Christmas time. The only gift they'll get this year is suing. Where saddles are never used, no cushions ever crease. Do they know it's Christmas time at all?



catembi said:
I disagree, JFTD, and in the strongest possible terms. By selling an item as described, Nancykitt has wilfully deprived the buyer of her entitlement to start a bonkers thread explaining how disappointed she is with her purchase. The only fair course of restitution would be for her to sell the QC something else that is NOT as described, thus affording her the opportunity to whinge about it & throw a dinner party.

It's the Naughty Corner all the way until she has rectified this miscarriage of justice.

T x
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I stand, or rather, sit (on my creased cushion - not a euphemism) corrected.
 
As it's Christmas, let's just draw a line under the whole thing.
But not before we've each found a QC to befriend so that we can use them to threaten people with when we dn't get our own way. Then we can have a game of 'My QC's better than your QC', which would go something like 'Mine specialises in murder and gangland crime' - Well mine was invited to be master of the bench at Lincoln's Inn, so ner ner ner ner ner.' We could even invent a card game involving cards featuring criminal psychologists, QCs, surgeons, pathologists, each with different 'powers'. Hours of fun.
Off now to write a description for my leather girth along the lines of 'not used many times but each crease represents a moment of pain in the arena while trying to school the big daft cob.' Totally unambiguous.
 
Nancykitt said:
As it's Christmas, let's just draw a line under the whole thing.
But not before we've each found a QC to befriend so that we can use them to threaten people with when we dn't get our own way. Then we can have a game of 'My QC's better than your QC', which would go something like 'Mine specialises in murder and gangland crime' - Well mine was invited to be master of the bench at Lincoln's Inn, so ner ner ner ner ner.' We could even invent a card game involving cards featuring criminal psychologists, QCs, surgeons, pathologists, each with different 'powers'. Hours of fun.
Off now to write a description for my leather girth along the lines of 'not used many times but each crease represents a moment of pain in the arena while trying to school the big daft cob.' Totally unambiguous.
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I do love the card game idea... Nancy dearest, you have redeemed yourself, you can come out of the corner and play with the other bizarre bonkers people in the room.
 
CowCob said:
Oh my goodness me, this thead, this blimmin thread :lol:

Apart from the fact it's definitely not defamation, seller please do go retrieve your head, you're someone who sells things on eBay you're not anything to care about. A total percentage of 0% people (that is the stats from a maths major friend who I had to phone because I don't have dinner parties, perhaps I should I would have known about this mess sooner) are going to care about the fact someone made a post about you on H&H, infact I even doubt they'll know! You're acting like KEP on the whole hat turning into a chocolate orange thread thing but I digress. OP pointed out very well that there were issues with the ad and posted on H&H saying if anyone was in the market not to go for it for the reasons that (if you're not familiar with your WOW's) aren't obvious.

The whole health shpeal (even the mention on the ad) was unnecessary and going on the you're trying to act as a professional- overly personal. The crimial pathology comment was just silly and honestly I'm going to deflamate your character some more by saying I doubt a CP would ever even say that without at least one assesment of OP. I also doubt anything will be removed, there's nothing wrong about this post.

I could go on for another year but anyway, the saddle has only apparently been used once but there are clearly marks from leathers on the flaps. Only a very well used saddle could get those, definately not from a one time sit on type of job. I can't see how a saddle would get leather marks from being in storeage. It'd take a very heavy, very funny shaped object a lot of time for that to happen...

JFTD- come on fess up what's your and I quote "ulterior motive"?! I reckon you're their neighbour and you don't like their yippy (disclaimer: this is me deflating charachter by assuming seller has a dog and a yippy one at that) dog and are just doing this to get back on them! You horrible person! :lol:

Sorry I think someone has spiked my hot choc, I'm in a very funny mood today for some reason.
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Oi! You defaming my hot chocolate?! Well really! *roots around in address book for QC, criminal psychologist, lion tamer, and hit man's numbers, all the while wishing I'd had the foresight to invite them round for nibbles*

ester said:
That would have been that MrsM
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And as for you madam! Well. *adds name to list to amuse and bemuse guests with*
 
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