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Clodagh

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I have always felt Parelli people are bonkers but harmless, but I have to reconsider.
Lady I know bought a 2 year old quarter horse last year, she spent a fortune on him.
Having parellied him over the winter she has sent him off to be broken in with a parelli/Western trainer. He has been there a month and the trainer has declared him unsuitable and too sharp.
Apparently he bronked when he was first backed so he is written off. Trainer also said 'He wasn't happy in the saddle anyway, but we thought he might be better with a rider on.'
Poor pony, he is now up for sale and will be twice as much work I should think for anyone wanting to do it properly.
 
What a brilliant 'trainer' that person clearly is. Horse wil lbe better off sold by the sounds of it, hopefully someone with common sense will buy it! I would imagine a fair few youngster start like that, that would indicate to me they are not ready so need taking back to basics and starting slowly. And I am no 'expert' by any means - just have some sense!!
 
These "trainers" are unbelievable... Who in their right minds thinks a rider will solve the issue of a horse unhappy with its saddle :eek:

Patterdale said:
I know we get a lot of these threads, but if they manage to stop just one person from buying into the Parellis then it'll have all been worth it :)
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Clodagh said:
I have always felt Parelli people are bonkers but harmless, but I have to reconsider.
Lady I know bought a 2 year old quarter horse last year, she spent a fortune on him.
Having parellied him over the winter she has sent him off to be broken in with a parelli/Western trainer. He has been there a month and the trainer has declared him unsuitable and too sharp.
Apparently he bronked when he was first backed so he is written off. Trainer also said 'He wasn't happy in the saddle anyway, but we thought he might be better with a rider on.'
Poor pony, he is now up for sale and will be twice as much work I should think for anyone wanting to do it properly.
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Can you not persuade her to send the horse to someone more 'traditional' for want of a better word?
 
ah thats rubbish!!

if i see anything being backed "parelli" way i have to admit i swtch off and move on.....not intrested in the slightest :/
 
1 of many ruined and not just by parelli . people with no understanding of starting a young one. we have 1 on our yard. horse is now so so bad mannered hes dangerous. hopefully 1 in post will end up with some one who is prepared to go right back to start and work with the horse . so sad :(
 
Apparently someone is coming to look at him but if he doesn't sell he may go to the yard I work at. If so he will be turned away for a month or two and then restarted 'properly'. I imagine as he has had a fright he will be more difficult though?
 
Not a NH fan myself. But this could be anyone that sells horsemanship on DVD's. The people that buy them think they have a right to charge money and train horses. This is the result.

Now people who are already horseman use most of the basics of NH anyway. Studying further most likely won't turn them into useless horseman. Will enhance skills they already have. Problem is too many people think it's easy.

To me bucking in a just started horse is a missed step. I start many. I've not had bucking issues. If I did my fault. Rarely a horse may have pain but I will know that before I get in the saddle.

Terri
 
I haven't done many but used to be a crash test dummy in my youth, they never bucked but had been well started and generally nothing fazed them.
 
Clodagh said:
Apparently someone is coming to look at him but if he doesn't sell he may go to the yard I work at. If so he will be turned away for a month or two and then restarted 'properly'. I imagine as he has had a fright he will be more difficult though?
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As a confident 16 yo I got on a 4yo after doing virtually no training with it 'How hard can it be?', well I was promptly deposited by said pony. I sent it off to a professional, 6 weeks later came back and never bucked again, she was so good you could put a complete novice on her.
 
I had never backed a horse before but backed mine over the last year BUT I got help and advice from someone I trusted and she taught me a lot of groundwork techniques to use. As said in a previous post, the basics of any backing/training of horses does have NH as you need to have an understanding of how the horses' brain works.

I thought I had done pretty well with mine but recently he bronced me off on two occasions when I took him to a couple of shows. I had pushed him out of his comforts zone so, I have stepped him back a bit and gone back to have some more groundwork lessons (once I was able to walk properly again!) and will take it forwards from here.

I think he gave me a false sense of confidence as he'd done so well and I wasn't to know he'd react how he did when I took him to a show as a ridden horse (he'd been to several in hand shows). They are all so different and I cannot believe someone would just throw the towel in like that. I hope she didn't pay them!
 
I've backed a few.

Never had one buck although I sat up on current one last week and he humped his back a little (has been leant across for a week previous) so I just sat there until he relaxed and then quietly got off. We'll go back a step and do some more leaning over until he's fully confident. I think if I was to force the issue I would probably end up with a pony that broncs, bucks ect ect...

I think the backing process is the most important stage of all, you can either make or ruin a horse for life.
 
Charem said:
I've backed a few.

I think the backing process is the most important stage of all, you can either make or ruin a horse for life.
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Very true. It is experts job and a young horse must never learn it can dump riders as when it feels like it.

The rider doing the backing must be able to stay on and the work done prior to backing must be done thoroughly before the backing and riding away is even thought about.
 
I've backed quite a few - generally they haven't bothered to buck, but I did have one that was brought on really slowly as she came to me in very poor condition.

I rode her for six months - just in walk and she was wonderful. The day though that I decided she was ready to go faster will never be forgotten - I had her on the lunge with a very capable friend on board, I asked her to trot and she went obediently forward but my friend got left behind just a smidgen, result the most amazing explosion of bucking I've ever seen! She bucked backwards with feet above my head, my friend came off, we tried again with the same result - and after the third explosion I wouldn't let my friend back on.

The bucking was sorted in the good old Australian horse breakers way with horse being roped - every time it went to buck the back leg was lifted out from under it. I would not stay to watch as it is something I would never do myself. It did however work and the horse never bucked again. The interesting thing that came from this is that I had another youngster by the same stallion who went off to be trained as a racehorse - he was exactly the same - he got everyone off and continued to do so until the trainer gave in and roped him. Neither horse was the nervy type, were great to work with on the ground and all the pre backing work had been done methodically and in depth.

There are some good things in any Natural Horsemanship methods - including Parrelli, though I can't stand the man himself, and the NH methods are done by many of us everyday when we work with our horses. Like designer jeans it was a trend that seems to have got itself under control now.

I hope this young horse finds a home where he will be re introduced to being ridden and be brought on by someone more understanding.
 
Equilibrium Ireland said:
Not a NH fan myself. But this could be anyone that sells horsemanship on DVD's. The people that buy them think they have a right to charge money and train horses. This is the result.

Now people who are already horseman use most of the basics of NH anyway. Studying further most likely won't turn them into useless horseman. Will enhance skills they already have. Problem is too many people think it's easy.

To me bucking in a just started horse is a missed step. I start many. I've not had bucking issues. If I did my fault. Rarely a horse may have pain but I will know that before I get in the saddle.

Terri
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I agree with this!! And the ops 'Parelli' trainer was certainly not one!!! All mine have been started 'Parelli' way and never even looked like doing anything wrong at all!!! Baby steps taken slowly as they should be!!!!
 
Is this a professional trainer? Or another wannabe (from whatever background) claiming to be something they aren't? There aren't that many Parelli trainers in the UK, and less who do young horse starting. Have physical problems been found in the youngster? This does sound a bit like livery yard rumour to be honest Op. If a pro trainer - who?
 
It is aprofessional trainer, apparently, I will see if I can find out her name but I don't know it.

I don't think its Parelli or not that is the issue - unless they break like Monty Roberts and chase it around until it is tired/submissive and then hop on? - it is more that a sweet and promising young horse with his whole life ahead of him has been 'ruined' by someone meant to help him - and being paid to do it! It was only £130 a week though, which doesn't seem much to me for breaking livery.
Oh and also he has lived out all his life, with company, and is now in a stable away from other horses as he won't bond with the trainer and so she has isolated him to make him more needy for her...WTF!?
 
Clodagh said:
It is aprofessional trainer, apparently, I will see if I can find out her name but I don't know it.

I don't think its Parelli or not that is the issue - unless they break like Monty Roberts and chase it around until it is tired/submissive and then hop on? - it is more that a sweet and promising young horse with his whole life ahead of him has been 'ruined' by someone meant to help him - and being paid to do it! It was only £130 a week though, which doesn't seem much to me for breaking livery.
Oh and also he has lived out all his life, with company, and is now in a stable away from other horses as he won't bond with the trainer and so she has isolated him to make him more needy for her...WTF!?
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Oh god how I hate all this , make him more needy , poor chap I suppose she will remove his water too , these people are nuts and have no empathy for horses what so ever.
Has the horses owner got no common sense at all surely she's seen enough of the horse world to know it's not normal.
 
Clodagh it sounds very much like a lady I sent my mare to schooling for, lasted 36 hours before she came home again. She tied them up at the back of their boxes all day (didn't turn out at all) and after working them to "give their brain chance to calm and absorb what they had been taught".

Trainer isn't in Cambridgeshire is she? PM me if you prefer.....
 
Goldenstar said:
Oh god how I hate all this , make him more needy , poor chap I suppose she will remove his water too , these people are nuts and have no empathy for horses what so ever.
Has the horses owner got no common sense at all surely she's seen enough of the horse world to know it's not normal.
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Owner is a complete parelli disciple, she has been to America on a 6 week course so would never disagree with someone who was trained that way.

Shellonabeach - no, is in Essex.
 
That really doesn't sound right to me and I doubt very much if the trainer is an accredited western trainer/instructor .. I would be very interested to know who it was via a private message.
 
Can i ask a stupid question ?

What is the NH way of backing a youngster ? How does it differ from traditional ways and also if a youngster was broken to NH techniques if they were sold on to people who did Traditional riding would if confuse the horse ?

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Thanks
 
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