Fred66
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If you give us an area then we could do some searching to assist in finding a yard
Yard Dilemma
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Dialemma
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1 person said she would not pay and she was told 'well you need to leave then' so she has changed her mind. And 1 person has taken 3 away. And been replaced immediately by people on the waiting list. Poor sods. No idea what madness they are getting into!
Dialemma
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I am
I think I am going to try full livery a little further away. I've found a yard that looks nice and is new so has vacancies. (It was already a schooling/breaking yard. Now moving into livery as well). I know the YO as she has helped out some friends with their horses and she taught me once in the past at a camp and I liked her then. At least she LIKES horses and has her own which must be better than someone that seems to hate having horses around.
I am north of Leek in the Staffordshire/Derbyshire area. There is lots of land for sale around here but it is all agricultural. Does anyone know how easy it to get change of use?
I think I am going to try full livery a little further away. I've found a yard that looks nice and is new so has vacancies. (It was already a schooling/breaking yard. Now moving into livery as well). I know the YO as she has helped out some friends with their horses and she taught me once in the past at a camp and I liked her then. At least she LIKES horses and has her own which must be better than someone that seems to hate having horses around.
I am north of Leek in the Staffordshire/Derbyshire area. There is lots of land for sale around here but it is all agricultural. Does anyone know how easy it to get change of use?
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
For a small pocket, it probably won't be too difficult and you could always put sheep on there, with the horses just being incidental. The real problems arise when you want to buy building land to put horses on - it's *very* expensive!
Dialemma
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We would want to put stables in. Or at least a field shelter and some barns/buildings for feed/hay etc. So it would not just be for grazing.
Dialemma
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A couple of people who have been there the longest have said they are just going to ignore the 1 hr a day thing and put theirs out for 3-4 everyday like all previous winters. They think she will stop trying to police it eventually. They say she blows hot and cold and eventually forgets about issue A in favour of issue B and they let it all wash over them. Although they also say she is as bad now as she has ever been. I am tempted by that approach because I really like it there. But am scared she will police it and mine will be in 23 hours a day for months. I just don't know what to do.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
You are more likely to get permission for permanent buildings if you have sheep/cattle (you could ask a local farmer if they would like to put stock on). Sheep don't normally need to live inside but you might need buildings to store hay etc
ETA, my local council doesn't worry about what you graze on your land but we have small parcels of land, with existing buidlings, which were traditionally used for a few sheep and a donkey/pony to provide transport for the wool trade.
dorsetladette
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On agricultural land you can graze horses but you can't 'keep' horses. The difference being rugging. A kept horse wears a rug. I've kept my horses on agricultural land before with out any issues (and not changing use). Planning is quite straight forward as long as no one apposes it, but also if you don't change the use it only becomes an issue if someone complains. At least that's how it has been in my experience.
Pearlsasinger
Up in the clouds
I'm not sure that is the definition of a kept horse. I have read variously that you can't feed horses anything but grass on agricultural land but that doesn't make sense because many farmers give their stock hard feed on the land and that you can't leave jumps etc up on agricultural land.
rabatsa
Confuddled
Agricultural land must be used for grazing. The horses can wear rugs and be given other feed/hay but no riding in the field.
dorsetladette
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Its how it was explained to me by a retired planning officer. Its how he determined whether a horse was grazing or being 'kept'. Maybe the link below will be a better sauce of information. It does say if a horse is fed and the grazing becomes secondary then it wouldn't fit under agricultural laws.
https://www.tozers.co.uk/insights/a...=If the horses are simply,may need to seek it.
July dreamer
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I applied for planning permission for 4 stables/haybarn/tackroom at the bottom of the garden on an old farm. Planning dept. waited until a week before a decision was due to tell me the land was classed as agricultural. I already owned the 5 acres behind and had kept horses there for over 20 years and it was classed as equestrian. I had to re-submit my application and include asking to change from agricultural to equestrian use to build the stables. I was told I could allow my horse to graze on agricultural land but couldn't ride him on it. The second application was passed no problem. I'm in Surrey but I think each council, or whoever you talk to/makes the decision varies.
WandaMare
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OP it sounds to me that the yard owner wants the liveries to leave, she must know that putting up the fee and reducing turnout are the 2 most likely things to get people moving out. How strange. She sounds like shes extremely miffed and hacked off for some reason. Do any of the other liveries get on with her well enough to ask her whats going on. I agree with everyone else that you are better off out of there, but as you sound as if you are going to be stuck there for a while, I would try and befriend her and approach her in a sympathetic way to get her to open up and tell you what the real problem is. Does anyone chat to her or is she quite isolated? I know its her job to run the yard well and be reasonable and she's not managing to do that, but if you really like it there, you might need to open up communication channels, hear what she has to say and see if there is anything you and the other liveries could do to bring her back on side. She definitely sounds like shes struggling to me and perhaps wants to push out the existing liveries and start again. People only put the price up like that to send customers away.
chaps89
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1 hour a day is bad enough but between clock changes? That's an awful long time, especially when the majority of the time the weather will allow for longer turnout.
I don't usually like full livery for me personally, but if it's a choice between full livery on a sensibly run yard and this one, I think I'd be grabbing it with both hands. To me the point of being DIY/assisted is to have control of how my horse is managed. It doesn't sound like that's remotely possible on the yard you're on, so I'd rather go somewhere where at least it was run to a good standard and I could enjoy my horse in peace
I don't usually like full livery for me personally, but if it's a choice between full livery on a sensibly run yard and this one, I think I'd be grabbing it with both hands. To me the point of being DIY/assisted is to have control of how my horse is managed. It doesn't sound like that's remotely possible on the yard you're on, so I'd rather go somewhere where at least it was run to a good standard and I could enjoy my horse in peace
tankgirl1
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Are you on local FB groups? I'm the other side of Buxton I think, but try High Peak Horse Mart, Equestrian for Sale & Swap in Buxton, and theres an Ashbourne one too which I can't remember the name of. Good Luck!
southerncomfort
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I've known people use Google earth or Google maps satellite view to find private yards, and then pop a note through their door asking if they are taking in liveries.