Yard have been negligent.

I do not want to sell him, but all this hassle, months and months of it and no end in sight........
I cannot pay both the vet bill and the livery bill
I refuse to pay full livery charge for my horse to stand in a bog, i pay livery for use of a stable, grazing and hacking etc, I am not getting what I signed up to. If I pay these peeps any money that will mean they have "won" ie they were negligent but I have to pay...... as you will see from the previous posts most peeps think I am in the wrong, whereas I see that they lied to me, and now my horse and I have to suffer and to pay.
 
MrsD123 said:
I am pissed that he is being kept in one field which is not ideal, when there are other fields I could use that would allow me to hack out on mu own. This could go on for months, tests, tests test, some horses have tested negative but have still been kept in quarantine.
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You should know that you shouldn't hack out an infected horse- or even an apparantly uninfected horse- from a yard that has strangles......you're no better than the people you are complaining about!

Don't you get it? Some of us have had horses on yards with strangles- you shouldn't allow horses to leave the yard even if you think you won't come into contact with another horse.
So- suck it up. No hacking. No shows. Thats how it is.
 
charlie76 said:
but then why are they not testing and isolating every healthy horse in the yard- why pick on yours? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Because all the others have probably come back with clear swabs and the OPs horse is the only one who is not throwing back clear results. OP sounds annoyed that her horse is the only one showing signs of being a carrier and that's why it's the only horse on the yard still in isolation. It sounds like the yard has not been negligent after all and that OP does not have a leg to stand on. However OP, caution for not paying your livery bill. The YO could take a lien on your horse and then that will be the end of your concerns over paying for anything.
 
MrsD123 said:
You are not aware about strangles testing, my horse has never been tested, it is not necessary, it is self evident, it is symptomatic, just as when you go to the doctor with a bacterial infection in your lungs, they don't test for the disease, they treat the symptoms.
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I am sorry but in this case you will not have aleg to stand on. It needs to be comfirmed by a vet before you get anywhere.
have the other liveries been swabbed.
 
Blimey, this is going round in circles. It would be worth scanning the whole thread before asking Op any questions.
She thinks that people think she is in the "wrong", whereas that isn't what has actually been said. On a hiding to nothing is more accurate.
I still think Op is trolling.
 
Frankly I think the OP needs to get over themselves. Has been working professionally with horses for 50 years (how old are they???) and only seen one case of strangles. Lucky you. The yards round my way have cases every single year and we all keep our heads down for weeks. The OP claims the yard has been negligent - but so have they by not having insurance. As a happy hacker they would certainly need public liability , but obviously they haven't got that either. They complain about having to have gone down morning and evening for weeks. Hello, that's what I've been doing for the last 16 years. Run up a vets bill? Want to swap with me? I fork out £300 + EVERY MONTH for the drugs my horse needs - she has cost me in excess of £30000 since she was diagnosed in 1998 and that is entirely out of MY pocket. The insurance only paid for the first 6 months treatment. At least the horse is out. Fancy mucking out twice daily and then having to burn all the infected bedding and scrubbing the stable down at the end of it all? I've got around £100 worth of bedding in my stable. They also need to heed the first rule of hygiene on yards - don't touch strange horses, especially if they are new to the yard.
 
You cant be absolutely certain of that.

And even though there may not be horses, the trail could be used by people walking their dogs who own horses themselves and could spread the disease.

and if that did happen then really, you would be worse than your yard..

To be honest like pps have said, you sound more bothered about blaming the yard than your poor horse. Why on earth have you not moved him into a different paddock-even just double taping off a section of a feild so no horse contact could happen but at least pony would be on better ground.
 
MrsD123 said:
I do not have any choice, the yard put him in this bog, I can't just move him
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I dont for a second believe that.

If that were me i would march straight into the office and demand my horse to be moved. and if they ummed and ahhed then I would invent a bloody good reason why to. Failing that i would inform them that tomorrow pony would be in feild X and they can bloody well swivel!

i mean, if its as bad as you say it is then it could do more damage than the strangles.

Maybe care less about the yard and more about your horses well being for a while!
 
If you can't afford a 400 vet bill, then clearly you can't afford a horse - its quit simple really. And having had horses all your life you'd be more than aware of how quickly a bill can add up even for the most minor problem - let alone a serious one. And the timeliness also seem to be altering.

I'm not really sure of the point of this post to be honest, as your previous one gave you the advice you sought - ie get legal advice.
 
IF you are not a troll and by some stretch of the imagination ARE telling the truth, then you need to fess up to your own responsibilities, you have not insured your horse for vets bills etc and are therefore liable for any bills, you cannot pin the blame on anyone else but yourself.

Bloody blame society makes me sick, when you have horses you need to make allowances for vets bills etc, seems to me you are whinging on about something that YOU could have avoided instead of blaming your yard, who, in all fairness seem to be trying to contain the situation, you moaned that they did not do enough BEFORE the disease was confirmed and now you are whinging on about not being able to hack out and the fact that your horse is in isolation! Selfish selfish selfish!
 
wll its not gone on for months and months only since mid jan. you have not insured your horse. a vet bill of 400 is not expensive. he is in isolation splendid. you want to hack and spread any disease .. VERY NICE. hiow well was your horse prior to this .. sounds like his immune system was already compromised. he hasnt been tested? why the f not if you are so concerned. Please take your yard to court.. i dont think you have a leg to stasnd on as youo keep contradicting your self. small claims might be cheap but by the time you have done the paperwork, paid the expert witnesses your bill will be huge. and with little chance of winning. these things happen , and yes it is hard on the horse but that is life. no reason not to brush your horse just cos he is on his own (whose negligent now? do you just wave to him from the fence?) you must be in a very marshy area to have bog at the moment as the rest of the country is like a desert at the moment. if you want to go to court and have any chance of winning you will need DEFINATIVE proof. any one that works for the yard/farm will be called by them so unlikely they will testify for you. what is written into your contract? you say you are paying full livery well £40/week is not a full livery price in any area of the country. I think you should get your horse tested and swabbed. a full blood profile. pay your vet and your livery bill and find a nice bubble for you and your horse to live in! When you have tested clear then i am sure your yard will be very happy for you to move to somewhere else, but be prepared to look well out of your area as most yard owners tend to hear about the unreasonable liveries. in the future i would suggest that you insure your animals, vaccinate against flu/tet/strangles, and do 6 monthly bloods so that you know that your horse is healthy. Also i do hope your horse is recovering, and makes a full recovery to full health. Maybe you could talk to a feed help line for some advice on the convalescing horse? and add some blood tonic (red cell /pro plus/equivite etc) echinacea to help his recovery. oh yes and get some insurance (even if it is like shutting the door after the horse has bolted) Good luck. do let us know the outcome of this. I am sure nearly the all the members of this forum will be interested.
 
Did you vaccinate your horse against strangles? That would be the responsible thing to do with a horse that lives in a yard where horses come and go and you can't control what they come in contact with.
 
What exactly is your question/what exactly do you need to know? You have shown you are unhappy about your YO/YM etc, and you clearly want to sue them. Most of the people on here seem do disagree that you should, but you are arguing back at them. It seems more like you want to let off steam.

If you have made up your mind to sue them then go ahead, and you may loose alot of money, or maybe you will win the case, either way it doesnt seem like you want to hear the advice people are giving, its just a long rambling argument.

I hope your horse recovers quickly with the best care possible and doesnt have to suffer anymore than he would have or be sold off after recovering from a horrible illness, as a result of lack of insurance.
 
ummmm i confused - but can i say i had 2 who caught strangles living on moors miles from anyone and not going to shows - they recovered though with one was touch and go at one point as he became skin and bone both went on to other homes happily and still are yes strangles is awful but a fact of lifee with horses on or off yards like said confused but not read all posts lol
 
charlie76 said:
if you have no insurance..... if you think the vets bills are big, wait until you pay the legal costs........esp if you lose.
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I agree with you Charlie on this...

If you cannot afford a £400 vet bill then I suggest you get a "For Sale" sign on your house before taking someone through the small claims court, yes it might be inexpensive (Approx £60) to lodge a claim but unless you know your Negligence 100% inside out then you will be scoffed for breakfast in court and no disrespect to you in any way shape or form but you havn't set your stall out very well here, so you wont stand a chance in court against a breif... be prepared because this £400 vets bill you have at the moment will feel like loose change in your pocket if you lose... Legal costs can very quickly and very steeply build up!
 
could i just ask, if your horse has strangles, why the hell are you wanting to hack it? Id of thought the poor sod was far to ill.
 
Having trawled through that post it seems to me that you are most annoyed about the fact that:

a. you can't hack out
b. your horse is in an unsuitable field
c. that you are paying for facilities you are unable to use

Well quite simply

a. you cannot take a horse from an infected yard off the premises until all horses have been swabbed clear. It is HIGHLY irresposible to do so and could cause a repeat of this situtaion at another yard!
b. ask to move field? Is it REALLY that unsuitable or are you just pi$$ed off in general?
c. that's the way it goes! If your horse was on box rest you still need to pay your normal livery package - which I assume includes grazing which you then would not be using!

Very odd post in general and tbh I don't think you've got a leg to stand on. And as for not insuring your horse and not having backup finances to cover such an eventualtity = madness.
 
As for your pm to me regarding costs for forsaking for twice a day visits, bedding and bandages - news flash: twice a day is the minimum most of us journey to see our horses (more if they are sick) so fail to see how you are out of pocket there. And yes bedding costs money - another expectant cost.

Horses are expensive hobbies sick or healthy.
 
MrsD123 said:
I am pissed that he is being kept in one field which is not ideal, when there are other fields I could use that would allow me to hack out on mu own. This could go on for months, tests, tests test, some horses have tested negative but have still been kept in quarantine.
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your posts are full of contradiction. You moan the yard doesnt isolate and test, then once they do- you moan again. I'm glad you don't lively with me- I wouldn't know if I was coming or going.

Then you moan about cost of vets fees- but say you'd be in the same boat if you hadn't insured- yet you moan that the vets fees keep adding up- If' you'd been insured It would not have been a problem.

Your not paying your livery so no wonder you're stuck in a boggy field!!
 
I am wondering if your YM hasn't put you in that field so that you DON'T hack your horse out as they don't want their liveries to do irresponsible things like hacking out a horse from a yard with strangles.
 
It's been entertaining reading, but if the OP is genuine, then (s)he must be in their late sixties at least to have worked for 50 years, yet used the word 'peeps' instead of people (sorry, picked up on it as it's one of my pet hates!).

I don't think so.
 
Either you are struggling to pay vets bills or not. Standard insurance for up to £3k would have covered you for this incident, so arguing that people could have an 8k bill is irrelevant (not to mention much more unlikely than a bill for strangles..).

Your horse is INFECTIOUS. He should NOT be going out hacking, or moving off the premesis, so the field is the best place for him. Paying for that? Tough luck, its not going to be forever.

Testing for strep. equi is perfectly possible.

I agree with Tinypony, you do sound like a troll. Hey ho.
 
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