Yard have been negligent.

You are all wasting your time. If Op is genuine then she has already been told that she needs to seek legal advice if she wants any compensation or form of restitution from the yard. She doesn't have any insurance company that she could consult about this, that might act on her behalf (she hasn't replied to my suggestion that even household insurance might include some legal advice). She was therefore advised to contact the CAB. Which she patently hasn't.

Goodness why she's posting here as she clearly doesn't want to listen to any advice she's given and is just taking people round and round the same discussion. A bit like being in a revolving door.

Maybe Op, if you're not trolling, you would like to simply state what it is you actually want from the people who read your thread?

Do you want them to give advice? (That's been done).
Commiserate? (That's been done).
Get irritated with you? (Tick that box as well).
 
BHS have been in touch with me this afternoon, they seem to be tracing strangles cases from this dealers yard, one of which arrived in our Livery yard.
The yard has its own stated isolation policy but blatantly disregarded it.
The BHS state three weeks isolation, and it is a BHS yard.
I sent this to BHS Quote:
"I should have said that i asked the yard what was wrong with the horse from
Bssssss yard and was told it had had ringworm
I asked what was wrong with the cob2, the first K****** pony infected, and
was told it had a non infective upper respiratory tracy infection....... is
that even possible!
The owner of cob2 told the yard on vet advice that the horse had strangles three weeks before the yard did something by which time there were about 20 horses with a problem.

This is what I received if anyone would care to decipher?
I hope if this is genuine, OP is giving the horse correct care, whether it is infected or not.
K x
 
I struggled with yours!
Maybe i should be flattered that mine was mostly readable!! -

get off my case

My horse has had no symptoms for 5 weeks, there are more and more tests to be done, and as I explained there is a field and a hack where there are no other horses.
Apart from the yard horses there are no horses closer than four miles. none of the horses would be on the path I would go on.
Surgery, antibiotics etc have led to bills of £400 so far, other horse in same situation had bills for £1000.
The yard ignored their own isolation guidelines
They are BHS approved!
They told me lies when I asked what was wrong with two (out of four) sick horses, almost all the horses in one yard got strangles, thanks to their management practices.
 
Basically there are no horses for 4 miles around and she wants to go riding. Apparently her horse has had Anti B's and surgery hence the vets bills.
Apparently strangles horse 1 came from a dealers yard that was known to have strangles and was supposed to be under an iscolation guideline. But the yard ignored it and sold a Strangles infected horse that then came onto the OP's yard. The owner of horse 2 that got strangles told the YO 3 weeks before anything was done and by then the infection had been spread.
Am I along the right lines? :D
 
Damnation said:
Basically there are no horses for 4 miles around and she wants to go riding. Apparently her horse has had Anti B's and surgery hence the vets bills.
Apparently strangles horse 1 came from a dealers yard that was known to have strangles and was supposed to be under an iscolation guideline. But the yard ignored it and sold a Strangles infected horse that then came onto the OP's yard. The owner of horse 2 that got strangles told the YO 3 weeks before anything was done and by then the infection had been spread.
Am I along the right lines? :D
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I think so, and my question is - so what? What does MrsD want from the forum members who are spending so much time on this compelling thread?
 
BHS have been in touch with me this afternoon, they seem to be tracing strangles cases from this dealers yard, one of which arrived in our Livery yard.
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Your yard would not - at least imho - be responsible for this, unless you have hard evidence that they had prior knowledge that the horse coming to the yard was infected, a carrier or had been in contact with infected horses.

The yard has its own stated isolation policy but blatantly disregarded it.
The BHS state three weeks isolation, and it is a BHS yard.
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BHS is not the law. The yard's own policy however, should have been adhered to. Is there any written details of this policy in your livery contract? ie. do you have proof of their procedure for isolating new horses on the yard?

I sent this to BHS Quote:
"I should have said that i asked the yard what was wrong with the horse from
Bssssss yard and was told it had had ringworm
I asked what was wrong with the cob2, the first K****** pony infected, and
was told it had a non infective upper respiratory tracy infection....... is
that even possible!
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You may find that the yard could possibly be proved negligent by failing to inform you of an infectious disease. If you had known earlier you would have taken precautions such as not touching the infected horses ect.


The owner of cob2 told the yard on vet advice that the horse had strangles three weeks before the yard did something by which time there were about 20 horses with a problem.
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You may also find that they would be negligent here. You state that the 'yard' took three weeks to 'do something about it' - by that I assume you mean that it was three weeks before any infection control measures were in place?


As I said in my post on the previous thread, you need to get legal advice as soon as possible.
With the details you have given above, there is a chance you may have a case.

And with these details I can also understand why you would be angry.
 
MrsD123 said:
Horse1 came from a dealer, it was sick within 24 hours
Horse2 10 meters away got a disease a few days later, this was diagnosed by symptoms as strangles
These people told the yard manager, I do not know if the yard owner was informed but someone decided to shut up about it.
Horse3 was beside the second horse and so on.
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when my old boy was a yearling he was stabled in the middle of a yard during an outbreak of strangles. His nextdoor neighbour came down with it, Tom didn't. It is highly probable that your horse (and others) would have been infected even if infectious horse had been isolated. I would forget it and get on with life:)
 
A livery that isn't paying any fees, but as you know she can't move her horse both as she'll never find anywhere else to accept her and other horses' health could be compromised from any contact, you don't evict her? Wow, I wish more YOs were so understanding, and put welfare before their own finances...
 
charlie76 said:
surgery???? for strangles?
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Perhaps she meant lancing the abcess?

A bit of local anaesthetic and a scalpel for lancing, including visit, cost me less than $80. My Vet taught me how to do it, if the occasion arises, and he says to do so, I will do it myself next time.
 
I went to a vet talk a few weeks ago on strangles, and they said they don't usually touch strangles - no operation, no meds, not even lancing (our practice's opinion only I do appreciate). Just let it run its course and advise owners on quarrantine procedures, unless b*rd is suspected.
 
Enfys said:
Perhaps she meant lancing the abcess?

A bit of local anaesthetic and a scalpel for lancing, including visit, cost me less than $80. My Vet taught me how to do it, if the occasion arises, and he says to do so, I will do it myself next time.
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OOOh Yesss I love a good abcess to deal with!:D
 
EAST KENT said:
OOOh Yesss I love a good abcess to deal with!:D
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:( Noooooooooooo:( it is the only thing that I have ever had to do with horses that had me retching, seriously gross. Even a foot practically severed and up to my elbow inside a wound staunching blood doesn't bother me. If I cut myself and bleed, even a little bit, I pass out! Pathetic!

I am all for leaving Strangles to run its course if possible, I won't vaccinate for it either, the best vaccine for Strangles is Strangles itself.
 
And where is MrsD123 the op? gone to ground? i am sure every one would like to hear where she is at in this dilema? wouldnt you all like to hear the outcome???? tho small claims will take ayear or so? MrsD where are you????????????????????????????
 
Interesting to read in H&H that a top eventer has had a problem with strangled quit recently affecting a number of horses...
 
MrsD123 said:
there are three or maybe four levels of management, I do not know who decided to cover up, was it the Farm owner , a peer of the realm, was it his manager, a man who has something of the night about him, or the yard manager, or the person in charge of operations on the day they were advised of the problem.
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mysteriouser and mysteriouser. I smell a troll! Trolling here ,trolling there , trollty trollty trollty,troll te troll te troll te troll ,troll te troll te de troll :D:D:D
What a fun thread:rolleyes:
 
MrsD123 said:
there are three or maybe four levels of management, I do not know who decided to cover up, was it the Farm owner , a peer of the realm, was it his manager, a man who has something of the night about him, or the yard manager, or the person in charge of operations on the day they were advised of the problem.
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Or was is Colonel Mustard, in the Dining Room, with the candlestick?





I applaud you, kept everyone busy for a while this thread :D

J&C
 
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Originally Posted by MrsD123
..... was it his manager, a man who has something of the night about him,

everything else aside, i love this phrase :)
 
Had I known then what I know now then I would have taken action, and my horse would not have been in contact with any other animal, person or communal facility. I agreed to pay for a stable, and grazing and hacking, plus other facilities, none of which I have had access to for three months, therefore why should I pay.
btw there are three reasons not to pay, the main one being that as long as peeps continue to aquiesce, the yard will sit back and say, ........ "another storm in a teacup"..... these horse peeps have got too much money and too little commonsense, as long as we get our money, who gives a damn.
I prefer to pay my debts to the vets and not to the yard.
I am waiting for them to accept their liability, both moral and financial
 
Fairynuff said:
when my old boy was a yearling he was stabled in the middle of a yard during an outbreak of strangles. His nextdoor neighbour came down with it, Tom didn't. It is highly probable that your horse (and others) would have been infected even if infectious horse had been isolated. I would forget it and get on with life:)
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That is exactly what the yard want, of course
 
Vixen Van Debz said:
A livery that isn't paying any fees, but as you know she can't move her horse both as she'll never find anywhere else to accept her and other horses' health could be compromised from any contact, you don't evict her? Wow, I wish more YOs were so understanding, and put welfare before their own finances...
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The yard have a duty of care to my horse, and there are other legal niceties, I would be only to glad if they found me somewhere else to take my horse, I am unable to visit other yards at the moment as my horse, while not having any symptoms has not been cleared of being a strangles carrier, off course there is no legal requirement on me for this, my main legal requirement is to ensure my horse does not suffer unnecessarily.
 
If you want your horse to have no contact with any other animal or human I suggest you go and live on an island!
These things happen and the fact you have no hacking, I cannot comment on stabling or other facilities, though I would expect my yard to so charge as facilities are still there, are your problem.

Get real!

Jane
 
Janah said:
If you want your horse to have no contact with any other animal or human I suggest you go and live on an island!
These things happen and the fact you have no hacking, I cannot comment on stabling or other facilities, though I would expect my yard to so charge as facilities are still there, are your problem.

Get real!

Jane
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Why would you pay for your stable when you are barred from using it?
Would you pay for it if another horse was using it and was also paying?

mmmmm ps I am on an island, how perceptive!
 
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