YOs and DIYers - a question...

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YOs - Do you feel that as it is your yard you are able to move the DIY-ers horses (from field to field), should you see fit, and not necessarily ask them about it?

DIY-ers - Do your YOs move your horses without asking? (for any reason) Would you/do you have a problem with it if they did?

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As a DIYer I wouldn't be fussed as long as they had told me she was somewhere else BEFORE I walk up the hill to her normal field
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. They occasionally do move them without us knowing- no body is bothered tbh.
 
I am a livery at a DIY yard, a few times my horse has been moved by my YO but generally only if there is a problem or repairs need doing, usually we are told they will be moved and move them ourselves although we often dont have a choice if they are moved if that makes sense?
Would i/ do i have a problem when she is moved depends why she is moved YO knows i am careful with grazing her on lush grass so if she moved her onto rich grazing without telling me then yes i would mind but other than that the answer is no i dont mind it is there land and as a general rule the only time they move them is if there is a problem.
 
I have some DIYers here and no I would never ever move them - mind you I rent them a field so no need to ever move them.

The rest of the horses here are on full care board, so yes they are moved by me when I want to move them.
 
I am now a DIY-er
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YM wouldn't dare more horse without people knowing (think world war 3)
Sol doesn't settle very easy so I would hate her to move fields without me knowing and supervising it but if I had a calmer horse I wouldn't mind
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Depends on the circumstances. Given good reason (i.e. the wall has been stoved in by a dim motorist and they'll otherwise all be off down the road) then I have absolutely no problems with this. Given some reason, i.e. my horse is beating up on another excessively (or vice versa) then I'd be very accepting of that. Given little reason, I think as long as the YO kept me up to date on where she was, and it was good grazing with companionship etc., then I'd probably be happy. If I found her in a barren field with no company or getting leathered by a herd of strange horses or without shelter/water or with dangerous fencing etc. etc. etc. and it seemed that the move had simply been for the YOs benefit, and had actually caused, or could cause Brandy hurt or distress, then I'd be steaming mad. Erm, so, it depends, I guess
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Hmm.. you see I wondered if I was over reacting.... I got to the yard on Sat am and YO had moved all the yearlings (mine i one of them) into the field my mare and foal normally go in.

I had to go and track her down (her house) to ask where to put my mare and foal
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A few points to add.
1) I spent three hours putting up fences and foal proofing this field
2) It has lots of grass and shelter from rain/heat
3) my mare settled very well in it (she is a stress head!)
4) the yearlings are in a smaller field
4) None of them need grass!! (in fact one of them is borderline DOD)

SO I am pretty mad - but thought I might just be blowing it out of proportion
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Goes to show it is not ideal keeping mares and foals at livery really. But I don't think it is acceptable that she moves my horses without so much as a word - THAT is what I am really mad about....
 
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Hmm.. you see I wondered if I was over reacting.... I got to the yard on Sat am and YO had moved all the yearlings (mine i one of them) into the field my mare and foal normally go in.

I had to go and track her down (her house) to ask where to put my mare and foal
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A few points to add.
1) I spent three hours putting up fences and foal proofing this field
2) It has lots of grass and shelter from rain/heat
3) my mare settled very well in it (she is a stress head!)
4) the yearlings are in a smaller field
4) None of them need grass!! (in fact one of them is borderline DOD)

SO I am pretty mad - but thought I might just be blowing it out of proportion
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Goes to show it is not ideal keeping mares and foals at livery really. But I don't think it is acceptable that she moves my horses without so much as a word - THAT is what I am really mad about....

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I agree with Chillidragon that it would depend on the circumstances, but I wuld be livid if I were you!
 
I would be peed off .
At the fact you had no field for M&F
and for the fact your horse (yearling) had been moved without your permission . as there could of been problem with to in new field etc and someone could ended up injured and that makes a whole new problem of who was responsible for the horses injury etc. (or it would have been and my yard)
I just think its polite to let people know if it wasn't and emergency
 
I don't think my YO would move my three without talking to me first, unless it was an emergency, in which case I'd trust her to do the right thing. One of mine has to have restricted grazing like a laminitic, and my current YO has always been very understanding about it, and doesn't mind me fencing off bits of my field as nec.
In your case, Arwen, I'd be annoyed...but the YO probably didn't even think about your fencing etc.
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I agree - if it was an emergency or for my horse's safety then I wouldn't have a problem.

The yearlings were in our jumping field and had to move out as it is the weekend (fair enough). So for the YO there was the old yearlings' field that has been eaten down OR my nice well fenced lush field to put them in.

I should mention that one of the yearlings belongs to YO.

My feeling is that she did it 'because she can' and because she occasionally feels the need to assert her authority. HEnce why I wanted YO's opinions and DIYers.

The trouble is, I would have been much more amenable to the idea if I had been consulted.......
 
I wouldn't be happy with my horse being moved about without my knowing. If there was a reason i.e an emergency / maintainance situation I'd rather my horse was bought into her stable than put in a different field where they are likely to do themselves an injury through the excitement of it all. Otherwise yes, I'd want to be consulated about any changes... not that I'd have a problem with it, but I'd want to make sure the field was safe first... I think you have every right to be peed off!

Re. the youngster verging on DOD... please say something to someone.. I wouldn't wish it on anyone X
 
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Re. the youngster verging on DOD... please say something to someone.. I wouldn't wish it on anyone X

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Don't worry - We moved her somewhere else straight away.
 
I move the DIYers horse as and when I need to, but they trust me not to do it unnecessarily - I need to bring in 3 tonight as we have people in to shoot the rabbits. As a result those three need to come in for 3 hours. So I will bring them in and put them back out later.

I think it all depends on the relationship you have with the yard owner and how sensible they are about what they are doing
 
We used to move the livery horses around all the time. Mainly because it could be days before you would see some of the liveries and we needed to keep rotating the fields. No one cared as it meant more grass for their horses.

There were a couple of fatties that always stayed in the same place - but the rest got moved. Would have been easier if they actually came to see their horses as it would have saved us a job.
 
I think the thing with her 'showing her authority', if it is true, is wrong. You're her boss - you pay her wage, and you are her customer. I'm not suggesting that you should turn into a monster and start making all sorts of wild demands, since you need her land as much as she needs your cash, but I do think that since you pay her then you have the right to know what decisions she is making with regards to your horses. I think it would be good to just remind her that it goes both ways and for a good relationship to flourish, you both have to keep each other informed about things like this.
 
I to would be cross, we are allocated a paddock and there are 2 geldings that share it, mine being one of them, we both poo pick and worm at the same time.We look after our paddocks well, our YO does tend to leave us very much alone , on occasions she has bought them in early as they need access to the paddock and I trust her.

If your horses were to be moved I would say its only right that it was discussed before hand.
 
As a DIYer that has never happened to me, but I would be accepting of it in an emergency - I would want to discuss it in other circumstances. For example, I have been on yards where other owners are not as scrupulous about worming or poo picking, and I wouldn't want my horses on their paddocks without going in and making sure they were clear first (although having to do that always makes me cross
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In your case i would be cross knowing you and your horses personally arwen is not the most laid back lady is she look at how much stress you had taking your other girl out when the first baby got too pally with her.I can vividly remember the dark night when you tried sneaking arwen and bubs out and F decided to pop the school and follow,man you really do cope with alot from your neds bless you,you are so patient though.
But yes getting back to subject i would be angry upsetting a new mum by moving her feild not the best idea anyway and especially not with a mare as sensitive as your girly is.

how is mother and babies doing anyway?
 
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In your case i would be cross knowing you and your horses personally arwen is not the most laid back lady is she look at how much stress you had taking your other girl out when the first baby got too pally with her.I can vividly remember the dark night when you tried sneaking arwen and bubs out and F decided to pop the school and follow,man you really do cope with alot from your neds bless you,you are so patient though.
But yes getting back to subject i would be angry upsetting a new mum by moving her feild not the best idea anyway and especially not with a mare as sensitive as your girly is.

how is mother and babies doing anyway?

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PMSL - yes Arwen is a bit of a stressy mare to say the least. All doing fine thanks though
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hope you are too
 
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Hmm.. you see I wondered if I was over reacting.... I got to the yard on Sat am and YO had moved all the yearlings (mine i one of them) into the field my mare and foal normally go in.

I had to go and track her down (her house) to ask where to put my mare and foal
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A few points to add.
1) I spent three hours putting up fences and foal proofing this field
2) It has lots of grass and shelter from rain/heat
3) my mare settled very well in it (she is a stress head!)
4) the yearlings are in a smaller field
4) None of them need grass!! (in fact one of them is borderline DOD)

SO I am pretty mad - but thought I might just be blowing it out of proportion
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Goes to show it is not ideal keeping mares and foals at livery really. But I don't think it is acceptable that she moves my horses without so much as a word - THAT is what I am really mad about....

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o dear thats not just a question of YO moving your horse, is difficult if your talking mare and foal, what were her reason for moving mare and foal????
 
pinktiger she didn't move the mare and foal -they were in the stable, she just moved the yearlings to the mare & foals field.

If the foal had been moved I think I would be looking for another yard!
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well tbh the YO is braver than me to even move her in first place PMSL,yeah we are all fine jay doing really well he qualified for bluechip champs and has got through all rounds for UK chasers so far,and so has troy but dont think he will be carrying on really he bit young for the bigger classes yet.
I hav only ridden once since i had james and its a bit weird because i dont really miss it that much to say how much i rode when we were at H's i miss the yard work more than anything im not skinny anymore pmsl and lets face it i was doing the work of all the loan sharers.
Magic had an op in the week to remove a manky baby tooth [turns out thats what caused the abcess under his face but did not go off food or get funny with his mouth so was complete shock to the vets and us] but he is doing really well he is huge now.Ended up buying gully back as B wrecked him and he went wild couldnt get near him or anything [i ended up reporting her to ILPH hense im not allowed to set foot back on the yard again pmsl] but they were abusing him very very long story,but he is resold now to a lovely RC and PC family and he is his old self again now just like he was all the time we had him.

so yes thats all the excitment from my end you know me always something hectic going on around me,how is R and M doing?
 
I don't think you're over-reacting at all. I would be angry if mine was moved without my knowing (except in an emergency obviously).
 
I have moved our DIY livery when we just had the one without checking, but that's because it is already integrated within a group and it's normal practice here to rotate the grazing when needed.
She often doesn't appear for several days at a time and it's part of the deal that we take care of her horse when she doesn't come that day.
We tend to tell the others we now have that a field is in need of resting, and ask them to move their horses themselves, or offer to do it for them.
The other week the fencing contractors were replacing the fence in their field so their horses had to be brought in by us until it was done.
I think if the relationship is good no-one minds.
A mare and foal on their own however is another matter.
I would always ask first and then understand if the owner preferred not to share, even if it meant moving to a smaller paddock.
It's a difficult situation, the person who pointed out the livery owner needs your money as much as you need the grazing isn't strictly correct. most livery offered is because the owner has too much for their own needs, not that they need to make a living from it.
I always found it puzzling that when we had a big DIY yard I grazed my own horses next to the house and not with the liveries; they seemed to think we should all share and share alike! (errh no, I pay a massive mortgage to be able to have my own grazing..
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As long as you don't own your own land you will always be in this situation, so perhaps that should be your ultimate aim, I must be honest and say I wouldn't consider breeding a foal unless I was secure in my own field, otherwise you lay yourself open to the situation you found yourself in.
 
thing is though she moved yards when arwen was in foal with the second and i dont blame her our old yard was over run with kids and unsupervised at that.
 
Have to say the only way you can guarantee that your horses are never moved without your say so, or by you, is to get a place of your own. After years of livery yards sister and I sold our seperate houses to buy where we are now as it has land for the horses.
 
Yes, I would like to know prior, just in case something happens, and also i am quite happy to move my own if asked.

Was a bit peeved myself, the YO decided to split the field in half yesterday, which is no issue, but she used a single strand of elec fencing, which was too loose and had no electric and that was supposed to be safe for my mare and foal. i was not a happy bunny!
 
strange she didnt mention anything to you before hand so you could make new field safe for your mare and foal, seems a tad unfair as you had made safe the old field, ive always been on yards as a diyer and never got to yard and found something else in my allocated field,,, think i wouldve been very shocked as you were!!!
 
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