YO's if a horse was ill and they were due to leave WWYD?

WelshD said:
I'm not a YO but if I was..

1) I'd want to hear it from the vet but yes I would let the horse stay
2) I'd want the horse moved as soon as he/she was safe to travel

Callous maybe but if someone has chosen to leave the yard I would be looking for my next livery coming in, things like this have a knock on affect on people and that new livery may then find it hard to stay where they are and the person coming in to their old yard etc. Thats why I would want to hear it from a vet
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While i hear what youre saying, would a new livery want to come in to a yard where a horse who is seriously ill has left a stable theyre going in to ?
I would need to know from a vet what is going on and if its could affect the rest of the yard or new people coming in
 
Moomin1 said:
Yes, and it's highly unlikely to be necessary just to move livery yards.
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Who knows we have no idea what's wrong with it .
Like I say I have travelled seriously ill horses for hours .
I have been present a where horses are being forcibly removed from their owners in appalling states we transported one that could not stand it was certainly suffering .
 
Goldenstar said:
Who knows we have no idea what's wrong with it .
Like I say I have travelled seriously ill horses for hours .
I have been present a where horses are being forcibly removed from their owners in appalling states we transported one that could not stand it was certainly suffering .
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If a vet says the horse is fit to travel, that's fine. OP says this horse is 'seriously ill', therefore I would not be transporting it without authorisation from a vet.
 
Moomin1 said:
If a vet says the horse is fit to travel, that's fine. OP says this horse is 'seriously ill', therefore I would not be transporting it without authorisation from a vet.
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And neither would I but it's not illegal to cause suffering by transporting a sick animal it's illegal to cause unnecessary suffering and then you have in to define unnecessary and as I seriously doubt there's an case law on horses getting kicked off livery yards who knows , transporting a homeless horse unlikely to be thought unnecessary .
 
Goldenstar said:
And neither would I but it's not illegal to cause suffering by transporting a sick animal it's illegal to cause unnecessary suffering and then you have in to define unnecessary and as I seriously doubt there's an case law on horses getting kicked off livery yards who knows , transporting a homeless horse unlikely to be thought unnecessary .
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I would tend to disagree there. The owner of the horse should be ringing the authorities to notify them of the situation and reporting the YO.

Horses who have been seriously neglected to the point where a vet says it is unfit to travel are either recuperated in situ under the care of charities and by court order until fit for travel, or they are euthanased in situ.
 
The trouble is that some owners are more precious than others and you only have to look at Facebook (if you dare) to know that one persons 'seriously ill' is not the same as someone elses.
 
Moomin1 said:
I would tend to disagree there. The owner of the horse should be ringing the authorities to notify them of the situation and reporting the YO.

Horses who have been seriously neglected to the point where a vet says it is unfit to travel are either recuperated in situ under the care of charities and by court order until fit for travel, or they are euthanased in situ.
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Unfit to travel and suffering are not the same thing .
My broken legged horse sure as hell was suffering her pain relief was withdrawn for transport to make her unwilling to move .
Do we know the vet has said this horse is unfit to travel .
 
WelshD said:
The trouble is that some owners are more precious than others and you only have to look at Facebook (if you dare) to know that one persons 'seriously ill' is not the same as someone elses.
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Absolutely. I am the most sceptical of them all when it comes to peoples' say so on things like that. I am just taking OP's post at face value.
 
Goldenstar said:
Unfit to travel and suffering are not the same thing .
My broken legged horse sure as hell was suffering her pain relief was withdrawn for transport to make her unwilling to move .
Do we know the vet has said this horse is unfit to travel .
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No, I am just responding to the talk about transporting seriously ill horses. As I said, if a vet says it's fine to be transported, then that's fine. I also didn't mention suffering in my post - I said 'unfit to travel'.
 
Another thread where GW stirs the hornets near and then disappears, leaving people to speculate. Until she comes back, who knows...
 
what if the livery has been an abusive non payer and has caused the serious illness through neglect? everyone is assuming the livery is the innocent party and the YO is the villain!
 
Ibblebibble said:
what if the livery has been an abusive non payer and has caused the serious illness through neglect? everyone is assuming the livery is the innocent party and the YO is the villain!
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Not 'everyone', by a long chalk. Until, or if, the OP gives us some more of the back story, many of us are keeping an open mind on this one (as evidenced by a number of posts).
 
Ibblebibble said:
what if the livery has been an abusive non payer and has caused the serious illness through neglect? everyone is assuming the livery is the innocent party and the YO is the villain!
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If the livery has caused serious illness through neglect, then the YO should not be asking them to move anywhere - they should be reporting them to the relevant authorities to get them dealt with appropriately, whilst keeping the horse safe.
 
Got to be more then this then meets the eye. Seriously, yo chucking off a sick horse. Would be interesting to hear from the yo's point of view. They must have a jolly good reason to want that person out quite frankly. I wouldn't shot the yo until the complete story is out. Lets hear it....
 
Amos said:
Got to be more then this then meets the eye. Seriously, yo chucking off a sick horse. Would be interesting to hear from the yo's point of view. They must have a jolly good reason to want that person out quite frankly. I wouldn't shot the yo until the complete story is out. Lets hear it....
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If the part about the horse being seriously ill is true, then the YO shouldn't be chucking it off, even if there is more than meets the eye with regard the owner of the horse.
 
I don't disagree with you but I just think it would be interesting to hear the other side. These outlandish stories generally always aren't quite as straightforward as people are lead to believe.
 
Amos said:
I don't disagree with you but I just think it would be interesting to hear the other side. These outlandish stories generally always aren't quite as straightforward as people are lead to believe.
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Yes there usually is more to the story where livery yards are concerned lol..
 
It depends on how ill the horse is and under what circumstances the horse is being moved from the yard - unfortunately not everything is clear cut.
 
Another one who thinks there must be more to this than the bare details given. I have known some cantankerous YOs in my time but would say that most would not act in this way.
 
There has to be more to this then a YO kicking a sick horse out to be vindictive.Thats a terrible idea for pr and reputation alone.Would love to know both sides of the story.

As for the travelling it depends what is wrong with the horse.A vet will be able to say if the animal is fit for travel or not.It depends on a lot of things ie if the disease is considered infectious(strangles/flu etc)how far the animal has to be transported,their condition and ability to tolerate the movement of the trailer and if the travel would cause unnecessary suffering.
Peoples perception of "serious illness" can be astonishing sometimes.
 
The livery in question pays on time each month.
The horse has/is going through rotaion of the pedal bone.
The horse has bounding pulses, and the Vet's are concerned about the horse travelling.
Notice had been given by the livery at the start of the month, to leave this weekend.
The yo refused to follow the advice of the vets and knew how to "deal with it", which caused the issue, and the owner was told to get the horse off the property immediatley
The horse has been moved today.
The vets have been out to re-acess the horse, it is not a good situation, but the poor thing seams none the worse for it.
 
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Cheshire Chestnut said:
Why free of charge? I'm not a YO but I'd let the horse stay until it was better but at the livery price - why should the YO foot the bill??
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Because i would rather lose money for a few weeks and have the owner be able to pay vet bills + extra costs and not have them to worry about livery bills too especially if they were supposed to be gone by then. You also hope that if you do something nice to a person then one will do the same to an other.
 
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