Your Horse/ILPH quote re Fat Farms

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You seem to have changed your tune somewhat, were you so confused by your principles or do you change your mind very easily all the time?
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Not being rude just enquiring.
 
Nope, I was just plain stupid and I put my hands up. I trusted that certain things were being done to help these horses and they weren't. Agreements weren't being upheld, it took much longer for the animals to reach safety and some not in five star luxury boxes either. Horses that were said to be a certain size were either much larger or much smaller than "advertised"...and mostly, when I started asking some difficult questions I wasn't given straight answers.
And then Boudecia made the comparison with the overpopulation of dogs and it made sense to me.

Or maybe I'm just a terrible person who can't make up her mind. Then again, perhaps experience, while beneath the surface got swamped by a lot of soppy save the horsey before it dies bit, without thoroughly researching the problem. But I guess that's okay. I've foaled one University Professor and one United States Navy Captian who is a pilot, so perhaps the bright gene pool was on the sire's side?

Hell, I don't know, but I can pick a good stud horse, can't I?
 
Firstly, i would like to point out that there are many wise people in the world who are not academic, nor of a superior gene pool.Not all intelligent people have common sense.

Can you seriously say that the horses that were rescued were travelled inconsiderately?
As you know the horses that travelled to England were transported by a professional transport company who i can only praise for their considerate handling of the horses. Our horse travelled comfortably and was not showing any sign of stress on arrival. There were/are factors that affect a horse arrival time/day. Sometimes they would be rested at holding points so the journey was broken up, especially if there was a medical condition or a pregnant mare.
If i remember correctly, you were not directly involved in the rescue of any of the horses, so it is quite possible that your information may be unreliable.

There can be no comparison between live export of horses to slaughter and national/international horse transport.
 
The horse transporter, whilst I have no doubts about his handling ability and such like, has a lot to hide. I can assure you this is FACT. Due to legal proceedings, I am unable to share this information.
 
Now thats where you are sooo wrong. I am married to an ex rider who is now a transporter with 20 odd years experience. My oh does national and international trips and knows the various transporters , honest and not so honest. We have the 'shove em up' brigade who manage to load up 8 on a 6 horse lorry
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.Then we have the 'put yer foot down and keep going' brigade-they dont stop for ANY reason till they get to where they're going! Then we have the 'profesionals', who consist of the Italian Federation drivers and grooms-the horses, even those travelling many hundreds of miles, are/were not hayed nor watered. An IV drip was applied to each and every horse on the arrival at the destination
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. I could write a book on the normal every day transport of your normal every day horse. Yes, some of the travelling conditions of the meat horses are awful and some of the conditions of the ' joe blog' horses arent ideal either.
My oh is sought after as a transporter and above all is a horseman 100%.
 
Hey, I'm spayed now, the world is saved from any more like me lol!
As to if I were involved in any of the rescues mentioned above, no I guess not...I just spent hours on the phone with people who were upset at the outcome while the founder's phone was unavailable.
Won't get into a hash slinging debate. I've changed my mind. That's all. I will rescue, but a UK horse. Is that so terrible? I know I was banned from the other forum for asking questions. Now I have one to ask.
Why not do whatever it is that you want to do. It's a free country, right?
I'll do what I think is best for me.
Suzi
 
Oh, and now I'm talking to myself again, but forgot to add that you are correct that coming from a good gene pool adds nothing to common sense. You got a beautiful horse out of the rescue and my hat's off to you. I'm glad everything turned out so well, and I mean that sincerely.
I was making a little joke about the stud being the one with the good genes?
Me? I'm half Sicilian and half Scot. Guess that makes me a mongrel, but hey, I love dogs! And horses.
And thank you for your input, Donkeymad! And there is a great deal of difference in the way horses are transported whatever country you are in. Where there's money to be made sometimes that's all that counts.
Suzi
 
Okay,
So here I go again, talking to myself. I have just been contacted by Equine Rescue France, and I want to point out that I have no bones what-so-ever to pick with them. As far as I know they are doing a monumental job trying to improve horse's lives in France. They are a resistered not for profit organization and I am assured they are not trying to fuel the horsemeat trade by doing rescue.
I sincerely wish them the best.
Thanks for your time
Suzi
 
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Firstly, i would like to point out that there are many wise people in the world who are not academic, nor of a superior gene pool.Not all intelligent people have common sense.

Can you seriously say that the horses that were rescued were travelled inconsiderately?
As you know the horses that travelled to England were transported by a professional transport company who i can only praise for their considerate handling of the horses. Our horse travelled comfortably and was not showing any sign of stress on arrival. There were/are factors that affect a horse arrival time/day. Sometimes they would be rested at holding points so the journey was broken up, especially if there was a medical condition or a pregnant mare.
If i remember correctly, you were not directly involved in the rescue of any of the horses, so it is quite possible that your information may be unreliable.

There can be no comparison between live export of horses to slaughter and national/international horse transport.

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Horses in this country are subject to the same 8 hour rule...

but NOT ONCE have i personally been stopped/or questioned by anyone in authority.......

so things over here in GB are not any better than in eurpe.
 
I guess there are more than one debate/issues on this thread at the moment.
I can only speak from my own experience of course and i was happy with how my horse was travelled.
I too have asked the same questions siziebn and i can assure you I am not blinded by foolishness.
I realise that there are concerns with individuals trying to save horses from going to slaughter and also concerns with buying from farmers who are not fair and may charge more than the fair meat price.
I would personally advise that anyone who wishes to rescue a horse from france that they should only do so with the support of an official organisation where correct guidelines are worked within.
I was fortunate enough to have been helped to buy sultan by individuals who saw the bigger picture also and not just the immediate concern over the individual horse. That isnt to say they should be ignored because if it takes another 70 years to ban it then just imagine how many thousands of individual horses will have suffered that journey.

I will always remember our experience rescuing Sultan as a very positive one and one which i have no regret over, if i could have bought more, i would have, i will be honest.

My longterm commitment however is to do what i can to help the campaign against the live export of horses to slaughter.
 
Well, I for one, do not know the transporter you used, but he was good for you. That's what counts and your horse arrived in great condition from what I can see. I am just pointing out here what my personal decision has been.
I am against the live transport of horses for slaughter. I am hoping that someone like Temple Grandin will help step into the situation in the USA and at least get them to build slaughter houses specifically for horses, as she has done for cows.
The complete banning of slaughter in the USA (My Country) has caused a complete meltdown and the horses are being shipped to Mexico and stabbed to death with a knife. 300.000 of them this year! Reports from my friends are that registered broke quiarter horses, warmbloods, morgans and arabians are selling for as little as $40.00! That's £20.00. Now would anyone like to suggest what on earth we do with a National Herd of horses in America that numbers in the millions???? Now there are thoroughbreds that are just a bit too slow for the track being turned loose to die in National Forests where there is nothing to eat.
I cannot be pro horse and not be pro slaughter with what is going on there right now. I just want it humanely done.
This is a terribly difficult discussion, but we all want what is best for the horses surely!
Some people just give the rescue business a bad name and others don't. That's just life. For those of you who have good experiences I wouldn't take that away from you or the horse you saved for the world, but beware, there are many pitfalls in bringing a horse into England from France. Please, please if at all possible go get the horse yourself, at LEAST see the horse and it's condition before you throw money at a cause that may not be what is best for the horse or the world herd of horses. Make sure you are working with a registered charity and check it out thoroughly. Make REAL sure you will get your horse, the one you picked, and that it's passport matches. Only use reputable horse vaners and make sure you get references and a signed contract that will hold up in court. Gee, you'd do this much before you bought a car, wouldn't you?
We're talking about a half of a ton of animal that is completely helpless. If you have never handled an unhandled horse, go get some training first then pick one out. If you've never handled a mare and foal, go somewhere and work with a few. You are NOT getting a bargain here. You are rescuing a horse. Remember one thing...if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. And just like what they say in the dog world, a Horse IS NOT JUST FOR CHRISTMAS IT'S FOR LIFE!
Suzanne
 
http://hsus.feedroom.com:99/?fr_chl=a2a1c3f195919d9a0f0f8a6689873ea4aa4d3e4f&rf=sitemap

Here is a link to a set of videos each showing the actual slaughter practice in Mexico. Remember 300.000 horses are sent there by the US to face this death. Don't be squeemish, just watch it.
Peta and other orgaizations that are animal rights advocates have caused everything you see here. They made horse slaughter for human consumption illegal in the staes. Every horse that they have sent to this horrible death can be laid at their very doorstep.
I am for animal welfare, not animal rights..
Suzi
 
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion and to make their own choices in life, i have absolutely no issue with your opinions , at all, or anyone elses. As you say it is a free country-i do however take offence if people making their point is done in an insulting manner.
I did my homework before 'rescuing' sultan and therefor had no 'suprises'.
Horses have been a part of our family life through four generations (that i know of-prob more)) from working shires, driving horses to showing. I consider myself to be experienced enough to know what i was taking on and the longterm commitment as a responsible horse owner.

You are correct in saying people should be fully aware of what they may be taking home but in all fairness the same should be said when buying form auctions.

Temple Grandin, a very interesting lady-i am a fan of hers Suzie, she is autistic as my daughter is. I am only familiar of her work with cows-is she into horses?

Sorry, personally i am not going to watch the video of the mexican slaughterhouse, as you know i would not watch it on the forum we have both been a member of (to your clear annoyance).
As you have said, we all have personal choice, and i choose not to watch it. I know the graphic nature of it from what i have been told. Barbaric treatment of horses sickens me and i could not sit here and watch and then do nothing.
 
I may not know enough to comment, but is the issue not with how the slaughterhouse is permitted to kill the horse. Surely if there were correct and strict procedures in place that dictated that the horses were treated and slaughtered humanely then that is the real issue. If horsemeat was allowed to be eaten, would not the slaughterhouses still be killing in a barbaric way?
 
Oh, Blueberry,
I am not upset about what forum you belong to. Not at all. And as for Temple Granden, I am HOPING that we can get her to examine the horse slaughter problem. I belong to another forum based in the USA and we are trying to raise money right now for a fund for euthanasia and body removal for those in tight financial situations with horses that will go to auction and ultimately Mexico if not put down.
I have always said that there are far worse things that can happen to an animal than to die.
I have NO issue with which forum you belong to, however I am deeply disturbed by some of the things that went on there. I have no wish to cause you any further stress as I know you have enough in your life. My nephew is autistic.
If you'd like to continue this discussion in a more private way I would be glad to do so, as my concerns really are not to be aired on this public forum and it is obviously upsetting to you.
You go out everyday and see Sultan and he is your baby now. You love him, and you have every right to do so!
My e-mail is bagpiperblair@yahoo.com, as you know. If you have questions as to why exactly I am upset, I will gladly tell you.
Sorry if you were upset, this isn't meant to be a personal discussion at all.
Suzanne
 
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Horses in this country are subject to the same 8 hour rule...

but NOT ONCE have i personally been stopped/or questioned by anyone in authority.......

so things over here in GB are not any better than in eurpe.



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But in reality not that many journeys in the UK are more than 8 hours, well as long as you don't get stuck in traffic anyway
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Well, here I go again, but I think 8 hours in a horsebox is too long, but there you are...I would want to stop someplace, take it out for a little walk about every 4 hours. At least that's how I traveled my horses in the USA. Probably almost impossible to do over here.
As to being stopped. Hey, I got stopped because I had 3 salukis in the back of my car and questioned about going rabbit hunting! I was on my way to Fire Hills were everyone takes their dogs for a leg stretch...I'd die if one of my hounds killed ANYTHING! But I was glad I was stopped and asked about it to be truthful.
It's like any law though, it is only as good as the people are available to inforce it.
Love ya
Suzi
 
Suziebn, i am not in the least upset by you at all, i think you misunderstand me......

..and i didnt say or think you were in the slightest bit bothered which forum i was on?

I also have not declared any stress because of my daughter?
 
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Opps, better go back and read the thread!
Sorry!
I am old you know, 58 years old tomorrow! Poor me, I share a birthday with Hilary Clinton, but at least she's older than I am lol!
Also, while I am apologising, want to make it absolutely clear that I have no gripe at all with <u>Equine Rescue France</u> None.
As far as I know they are doing a great job with rescues and not encouraging farmers to up prices on horses which ultimately just fuels the meat trade. They also do not include horses they have not rescued in their rescue videos. So please folks, remember that the French have their own problems too with the meat trade. I applaud their efforts to aleviate equine suffering.
er um, thank you for your time?
Always,
Suzi
 
IF you used the one that most people used on this campaign, then I DO know far more about this transporter than you. I am not permitted, for legal reasons, to divulge the information I have. I am however, working in conjunction with Trading Standards, the Police and some of the UK's top equestrian associations.
 
Just want to re-iterate, before you say anyting. I am not against people rehoming these horses, that is everybodys own choice. personally, I would not. My choice.
I also have nothing against ERF, they are working for the welfare of all equines.
I also have no complaints about how the horses were transported, as I said, I believe they do the job well, and that all animals travel well. What is going on behind the scenes does not directly affect the horses welfare.
 
This all seems a little confusing to me in afraid. I doubt i should mention the name of the company i used as if they are not the one you are talking about its not fair to bring their name into this coversation.
If you have an individual legal matter going on with a transport company then i think that is a private matter.

Why ERF sensitive? have i missed something along this thread? i did not think anyone had said anything bad about them anyway?
 
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Also, while I am apologising, want to make it absolutely clear that I have no gripe at all with <u>Equine Rescue France</u> None.


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Just agreeing with Suzi
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Also, while I am apologising, want to make it absolutely clear that I have no gripe at all with <u>Equine Rescue France</u> None.


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Just agreeing with Suzi
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I completely agree with you both
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. Equine Rescue France appears to be a very decent company. Trouble is, other companies aren't quite so decent...
 
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