Your Horse/ILPH quote re Fat Farms

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I see.
I appreciate that you are unable to talk of the situation, its very frustrating when you are given a little info. It gives too much food for thought
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Well you would have been horrified if you had seen some of my spelling errors, i know what you mean, especially when you type hurried-well thats my excuse!
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Thanks love,
You should have seen them on the US forum I was trying to answer last night. My MRI which took much longer than expected put my back into complete spasm. Thus off to Sea-Doc, and they were wonderful. Zonked me with some sort of shot and then got home and tried to answer the 18 posts waiting for me (as the Americans were waking up over there and that pro-horse site was just jumping!) I had to type very...very...very...slowly and not try to fall out of my chair.
Just re-read them and by golly they make a sort of completely spaced out of my mind sense.
If you'd like to see this slaughter issue from the American side I suggest you got to For The Horses, a Delphi forum out of the States.

http://www.forums.delphiforums.co/forthehorses

There'll be a bit of a sign up to do, chose a name and password etc. but that's it.

I really would love to have you come in and see what is going on on the board of a small group that is growing leaps and bounds. No jokes here...just people brainstorming.
If you've heard about the horses being stabbed to death in Mexico, you can see a quite intelligent discussion on the ideas these very bright people are coming up with. The same anti slaughter/ban slaughter debate is going on, but with real passion and not a bit of hysterics! The issues of what do do with old horses, or just plain unwanted horses is in there too as well as a lot of links that are just plain fascinating. Please all come and join us. Okay right now it is an American problem, but it isn't really, it's a horse problem! And it is a global one. Pictures and stories of rescued horses are encouraged as well. Think you'll be pleasantly surprised!
Would love to have any and all of you who are following this thread come and join in. Psst...they're asleep over there when we are awake. Let's get some good old Brains of Britian over there to help. In helping them, we help ourselves.
Love ya
You know that!
Suzi
 
There certainly isn't any need MilkyHill, couldn't agree more. What is a shame though is that Noisette posted a very good informative post which made a lot of sense and wasn't argumentative or confrontational in any way... But I can understand that Admin don't have time to read ever single post with the sheer volume of traffic on here.

I will as ever continue ILPH and their Hook Not Hoof campaign, as I know many many others do too.
 
Just a note regarding the wonderful post that was lost in the editing done here (with good reason). I thought so much of it that I posted it in my usa forum and could copy and paste it here:

"Well said Blueberry - it's great to see Sultan opening the eyes of others to the long haul issues. Here at ERF (thanks for all the support earlier btw), we are growing concerned at the "rescue at any cost" message that seems to be being spread. We firmly believe that only those individuals who have the knowledge, the expertise and the financial support required should even consider rescuing any horse, be it from within the UK or from France. We would strongly caution AGAINST taking on a horse that you (or a responsible party whom you trust) have not seen - photos on a website are not enough in our opinion.

As an organisation, we are now clearing up the mess left by others, previously getting 'rescued' horses reunited with their promised owners and now trying to organise the rescue of a 'rescued' mare who in our opinion should never have been moved from her original home. To be clear, this mare was offered for free to a good home in the south of France. She is a small mare who was used as a brood mare for large heavy horses for many years which nearly killed her, hence the farmer now offering her free as she is no longer 'useful' and he will incur more costs keeping her. This mare was then sold to someone in the UK and transported to near Paris, a journey of several hours, where she has been kept in a 'livery yard' for many weeks. Our knowledge of the yard is that it is simply a poorly kept stable block with little accessible grazing. The new owner has been led to believe that it is a quality yard offering specialist care and she was also led to believe that the mare was probably under 25 years who would be fit to travel to the UK.

The vet has visited and now declared the mare to be over 30 years old, with no back teeth and not fit to travel (now or ever). Therefore, she is now in the centre of France, building up livery and transport fees and without adequate care. ERF have once again been asked to step in and find a local foster home or arrange for her to be PTS. This fiasco has done absolutely nothing for the welfare of this poor mare who should probably have been PTS at her original home, and isthe mare is continuing to cost her new owner dear. The owner is unable to talk directly to the yard as there is the language barrier so cannot verify any of this information nor even confirm that she is still alive.

We are publishing this information to ask everyone to be aware of what is happening - please do not part with money unless you are dealing with a registered, legal organisation whom you trust and who have a proven track record. Please do not consider rescuing unless you have experience, knowledge and the finances required. Most importantly, do your research before committing to rescue any horse - talk to all the organisations to ensure the information you have been given is honest. We are happy to help anyone considering rescuing but our priority is the welfare of the horse and we will only place horses with owners who meet the requirements of the horse. We can of course, recommend independent hauliers and yards to help where required."
 
Rats, just realised that Blueberry's great post was lost as well. A truly responsible rescuer compared to some of the horror stories around.

Please don't forget to support the ILPH Hook Not Hoof Campaign everyone.
 
Well, she says, stamping foot hard, she cannot be expected to think that far ahead. Blueberry? Did you save your expert post or do you think you could type it back in, because you were wonderful with Sultan and we need your story on here too.
I too support the Hook not Hoof campaign thoroughly and without a doubt!
Thanks
Suzi
 
Well done Suzibn. That was such a good post by Noisette, and one to which everybody seemed to agree.
 
I hope you all know that MilkyHill is a qualified veterinary nurse and has a horse rehaibilitation as well as sanctuary which she funds entirely by herself. She is not new to horses by any means and we all support her efforts to give the palomino a better life despite every obstical put in her path. She is a true champion to the horses of both France and England. Good on you forever, MilkyHill!
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everyone is entitled to their opinon so why is mine deleted

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Because this thread is about the ILPH quote re Fat Farms, and not personal attacks on HHO members.
 
Well as both Suzi and Blueberry know I have rescued the french trotter stallion Franklin and a Breton mare pony, Anastaise. Both horses are super and kind beyond belief. My friend Geraldine has also rescued a trotter, a 3 yr old harness raced gelding, again a total sweetie and easy to do. As Suzi has mentioned in the past not ALL rescues are successful and you do need to go into it with eyes wide open. I realise that the whole rescue issue is a somewhat contentious one but take as you find and I have found it to be a wonderful experience. I've also taken rescues from under the nose of meat men in this country and one in particular has gone on to become a successful SJ.............each to their own opinions and I truly do see both sides of the coin but as far as I'm concerned I will continue to rescue both sides of the channel...SO LONG as it can be proved that these French horses ARE truly going for meat, not just some farmer upping prices to con an unsuspecting buyer
 
I just want to say well done, I know about Blueberry already and I can only say I do not stand in judgement of anyone who saves a meat horse from the fattening farms in France. As I have said already I don't think it is any different from anyone going to the NF sales or buying a poor b***er from the auction. I do voluntary inspection work for a horse charity and this was done to death with us many years ago. We on the board and as members took a vote and the result was, If a horse is WORTH saving then that is what will happen. we have bought native ponies from sales who were supposed to be yearlings who were nowhere near that mark, hardly weaned from their mothers and then dragged up North to be sold at Auction as yearlings then to be transported back down south again to go abroad for meat.

It starts here, as I have said before, if no-one gives a toss about where these ponies and horses come from the trade will continue while we all sit as horse-lovers in our comfy armchairs with our neds tucked up for the nite. One of the saddest things I see for meat are ponies who are microchipped, who someone once cared for enough but I am sick fed up of these bl**dy breeders who are out to supply the meat man.

For God sake, no one seems to care enough to back up the people who would be willing to make a stand for our equines and stop indiscriminate breeding, we could make things harder and we could limit the amount of surplus spewed out by the racing industry every year but it all seems to be words.
 
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For God sake, no one seems to care enough to back up the people who would be willing to make a stand for our equines and stop indiscriminate breeding, we could make things harder and we could limit the amount of surplus spewed out by the racing industry every year but it all seems to be words.

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Oh really? How?
 
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Oh really? How?

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How do you think regulations and rules come about?

I hope you are not about to have a go at me about the banning of horse-slaughter in America. I honestly believe that the first thing that should have been done was to tighten and ensure horse slaughter methods in America, not to have them transported over hundreds of miles, but to make sure these horses were slaughtered HUMANELY, are you telling me that happened? If not, then thats what we fight for first of all. Then you go into the backgrounds, get statistics, do tracers, find out what is happening to horses in your own country and don't tell me there cannot be a system, to at least reduce the suffering. America is different from here, it has a bigger policing and effect area but even if it was a few hundred equines in Great Britain and a few Meat breeders stopped each year would that not be better? I keep hearing calls of how a lot of horses should never have been bred in the first place and thats my cue to care, what do you suggest?
 
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I hope you are not about to have a go at me about the banning of horse-slaughter in America.

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Good god no!! Worst thing to ever happen to horses was the banning of horse slaughter in the States....the poor beggars only get shipped up here to Canada (that's bad enough) and the unlucky ones get shipped off down to Mexico.

No it was a genuine question as to how you thought you could implement any regulations about who breeds and how many people can breed horses.

Just to save further confusion; I am against buying horses destined for the meat trade, however I am a VERY big pro in highlighting the massive PMU insurgence within Europe right now which is the cause of so many WBs entering the UK and if not sold there then they head for the European meat market.

I can't understand why NOT ONE of these horse charities are standing up against the disgusting practice of PMU in Europe....not only are they not standing up for these horses.....they aren't even mentioning them! Well I want to know why? Maybe I should write to them and ask.
 
There's a point, if you feel so strongly about it, then do something. I agree it is disgusting practise!

I do believe there are charities who are involved, isn't horseaid one of them in Canada?
There are also non profit organisations who rescue and place mares and foals with new homes.
You can help towards making change in the right direction. It is individuals like yourself who feel strongly and passionately about something who will go that extra mile.
After all, its that same feeling of injustice and empathy that has been the motivation for individiuals similar to myself who have saved horses from going to slaughter.

If you could do something about it as an individual what would you do? If you were contacted by one of the organisations who then said, we have a mare who has been on one of the 'lines' in canada, she has suffered infections and difficult pregnancies and up to now all her foals have been sent to slaughter. She is in foal again and we are trying to raise funds to save her and place her in a home where she can live freely and have and enjoy her foal, for the first time. Surely you would want to do something?

We cannot compare the value of one horse's life against another.
No matter what country or circumstance, a horse that is suffering needs help, a voice.

You could help to be theirs.
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Can you post more about where it's happening in Europe? I know it happens where you are, but I wasn't aware it had started over here.
I agreee it is a revolting practice, especially when it is uneccessary. There are other drugs on the market.

It sounds scarily like a double whammy industry here.........hormones and meat.......
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