Zero on a dressage sheet?

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Really? They got zero for the canter between M and C because he struck off on the wrong leg even though Z corrected it straight away . .. I know stressage is subjective but this was an unaffiliated Intro event - was this a tad unfair/harsh? He has performed far worse in previous tests and not scored lower than a 4 - and last time out he didn't do worse than one 5 - and seven 7s. I am so demoralized for his jockey :(
 
Ooh that does seem a little harsh.

I got a zero in the test I did before yesterday's but I'm not sure why. Ok my attempt at performing the movement was shocking but we did perform it.

0 means 'not performed' I think it was at least worthy of a 1!
 
I once got a 0 in exactly the same circumstances. Horse stuck off onto the wrong canter lead, brought the horse straight back to trot and was corrected before the next marker. I also thought it was very unfair as 0 means not performed, I would say the canter transition was performed it was just incorrect, so should get at least a 1!
 
Zero is for a movement not performed. Usually, if wrong strike off and immediately corrected, I have had a 6 but the canter itself was good.
 
Depends how it was split up I suppose- if the mark was for the transition, if he struck off wrong then they didn't perform the movement I suppose. If they corrected out of the markers for that movement then that affects the next score.

Maybe?
 
Wow that is harsh! My horse used to be horrendous at canter transitions and often did messy transition plus wrong lead. I think the lowest we ever got was a 3 or 4.
 
Last time out my horse broke in the counter canter and immediately corrected it and got a 3 which I have to admit I thought was harsh! But a zero! Think should at least be equivalent to mine and get a 3??? I will never understand dressage lol!
 
Movement was canter between M and C - he struck off on the wrong leg and she immediately corrected - I don't remember whether or not she made the correction before C but if she didn't does that still make it a zero? They cantered. Dunno really.
 
My guess is that the correction happened after the C marker in which case technically there was no canter left shown. The marks awarded are for a trot canter transition on the left lead between the designated markers; if none is shown then technically the movement was not performed. I can see where the judge is coming from; I used to judge years ago.
 
Seems overly harsh to me!

The marks are 0 = not performed, 1 = very bad, 2 = bad, 3 = fairly bad, 4 = insufficient.

So surely, if your jockey displayed a canter transition between M and C, surely it warranted at least a 1? To me a 0 is missing a movement out (although from my experience they usually ring the bell and give you an error of course if you miss something completely).
 
Scribing at riding club dressage competition today, we had done the intro (walk/trot) tests, moved onto novice, rider came in on a nice horse, and said "please do not blow horn if I do not do the canter movements"!!. Started to go round arena, judge completely bemused, but blew horn and off we went. First canter movement, asked horse to canter, horse said Weehee, rider immediately stopped asking and completed test with not one canter, each canter movement was given 0, and mixed movement was given 4 for trot segment. Judge to organiser of competition, this is riding club lower level remember, perhaps you could ask her just to do walk trot test if she is unhappy about horse cantering, organiser, young horse plays up, first dressage, judge well in fact she did same thing almost 5 months ago, organiser I will have a word. Now I think that judge was correct not to big "E" horse, and suggest sticking to walk/trot, her point was horse will now know weehee and will not canter properly. What do you lot think given thread we are on?
 
I once halted at G instead of X (forgot, but remembered and stopped just as judge rung bell). I wasn't offered opportunity to redo movement and got a zero plus -2 for error of course! So the whole movement actually cost me -2 marks :o
 
That does seem harsh, I once got a two for a halt that was actually completed on two legs! :eek:

Today my sisters first walk trot test on her 4yo was me leading him round on a lunge line with side reins after he'd ditched her in the warm up and she couldn't get back on (could barely walk) they were very nice and let us use the slot to take him in and walk him inside the boards, that's what unaff competition is about I think, certainly at the lower levels :)
 
Know what? I have just gone over his score sheets this year (his firstyear out - he is v green) and even with that zero his score yesterday is still his best so far - he got his first 8 (ironically for the same movement on the right rein) . . . he is continuing to improve which is all I can ask of him . . . perspective is a wonderful thing :) Oh and I just had a txt from his lovely jockey saying "I don't care if every mark on that sheet was a zero - he has come on so much"
 
Karsumatra said:
I once halted at G instead of X (forgot, but remembered and stopped just as judge rung bell). I wasn't offered opportunity to redo movement and got a zero plus -2 for error of course! So the whole movement actually cost me -2 marks :o
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I got -2 for a movement once. It was a counter canter, which I *did* perform and we had evidence on video! I got a 0 for not performed, and a -2 for error of course :mad::mad:

Surely you either go wrong or don't do a movement - can't be both at the same time :confused:

Anyway, glad it's not just me who has managed negative marks in the dressage arena :confused:
At least it hasn't happened since we affiliated :D:D
 
That zero seems harsh - but then you say it was at an unaffiliated event so anyone could have been judging it! If you are happy with the progress of horse & jockey together I wouldnt get disappointed by one mark personally..
 
Very harsh and imo wrong. If immediately corrected should have been a 3 or 4 depending on shapes shown (i.e. corner/circle).

Trainee judge maybe? Have had a couple who didn't know their coccyx from their humerus :rolleyes:
 
I've had a '0' before in a pony club test, as pony cantered on leg, ok I didn't correct it, but it was a very old pony who struggled with that canter lead, he also looked rather old, and it was a 2"3 ODE, I thought that was rather harsh, and was rather upset at the time and also very disheartned!!
 
I once jumped out the arena at a pony club dressage, still got a one! A total of 44% for the test and I note from the judge saying fastest test of the day but I should remember dressage is not against the clock!
 
Nicnac said:
Very harsh and imo wrong. If immediately corrected should have been a 3 or 4 depending on shapes shown (i.e. corner/circle).

Trainee judge maybe? Have had a couple who didn't know their coccyx from their humerus :rolleyes:
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Ha! LOL . . . thanks for this. Made me chuckle.

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sally87 said:
I once jumped out the arena at a pony club dressage, still got a one! A total of 44% for the test and I note from the judge saying fastest test of the day but I should remember dressage is not against the clock!
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Oh that made me chuckle. Would be apt for Kal for many of his tests, bless him.

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milliepops said:
I got -2 for a movement once. It was a counter canter, which I *did* perform and we had evidence on video! I got a 0 for not performed, and a -2 for error of course :mad::mad:

Surely you either go wrong or don't do a movement - can't be both at the same time :confused:

Anyway, glad it's not just me who has managed negative marks in the dressage arena :confused:
At least it hasn't happened since we affiliated :D:D
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Hang on? It's possible to get negative marks . . . as in minus 2? Gaaah! Best not tell Kal that or that's what he'll aim for ;).

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lauraandjack said:
Seems overly harsh to me!

The marks are 0 = not performed, 1 = very bad, 2 = bad, 3 = fairly bad, 4 = insufficient.

So surely, if your jockey displayed a canter transition between M and C, surely it warranted at least a 1? To me a 0 is missing a movement out (although from my experience they usually ring the bell and give you an error of course if you miss something completely).
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No bell/horn error of course . . . I would have thought a 1 or a 2 but for an unaffiliated event I thought 0 was pretty harsh.

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Gosh that is harsh. We were awful and had much kinder marking from Hilary Westthropp (overreach boot fame et al) at our local open thing a few years back (think we made her smile):D
 
PolarSkye said:
Hang on? It's possible to get negative marks . . . as in minus 2? Gaaah! Best not tell Kal that or that's what he'll aim for ;).

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Yes, as in minus 2!! It was my first novice, first long arena test - all kinds of pressure! my friend went storming into the secretary brandishing her video camera, all to no avail. At the time I was pretty miffed, now I consider it an achievement to have defied the laws of dressage :cool:

Don't bother to tell Kal, it's not usually possible. Only when the planets align just right :p
 
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