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i definitely prefer the grey, looks like it knows the ropes and is a calm steady jumper. even though it may not have the scope of the dun, i think it is more careful, the dun looks a bit head in the air and excitable, i could see him getting quite uptight at competitions although he probably has more potential if his ability is channeled properly
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The dun.
He suits your riding better you looked effortless with him whereas it looked like you were riding the grey more.
The grey looked very long and weak backed in that video and it looked pretty lacklustre and blase about jumping which while calm and easy doesnt really show flair for jumping the height you want.
Im a bloody amatuer though so what do i know?
 
Having thought about this a lot I wouldn't buy either. I personally prefer the Dun but think it is way overpriced.
The grey I really do have niggling doubts that there is a physical issue somewhere, even though on paper it would appear to be the more suitable for your needs.
 
Dun Dun Dun if it was between these two! Grey from video looks long in loins, i would maybe even suspect back problem (as in fixable by chiro/physio, not serious) as it is not using hq's when jumping and not making a good shape over the fence and also is not going forwards into fences very well and chipping in short strides (unless it was very lazy!) Also not hat keen on it's front end over jump, it's stretching out flat in front rather than bringing shoulder up.

Dun, not convinced it has the scope to jump 1.10 plus but difficult to say from what have seen, would like to see it ridden by normal jockey too as its very difficult to just jump on board something strange.

Good luck!
 
From the first video, the dun looks to have a conscience, he was good when too close to a fence a couple of times.........the grey seemed too flat over his fences, and looks very set in his technique.
From the second video, there is a joie de vivre in the dun which is lacking in the grey. The dun also has more elasticity and spring in his steps.
No contest for me, unless the dun is the 11yo, in which case I'd think long and hard about a horse as old .......
 
Well if you don't want the grey, I'd have it. i watched you popping it over those fences and thought how nice it would be to have something which didnt go nuts and add an extra 18 inches of clearance to every fence...I really like the grey, but I have to say, there is just something about it that makes me bit unsure. i am a total numpty about picking horses though, so don't trust my judgement !
 
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The dun is the 11yo and the grey is the 8yo. I have already had the grey vetted as I too was concerned about the flat pelvis and way of going, passed vetting as a general riding horse, vet said she (yes, it is a she LOL) needs more work to supple right, which is obvious as what the vid doesn't show is that she is neigh on impossible to make strike off right, would rather counter canter round right hand corners, but will come over a fence and canter right. She has been owned by an amateur rider, jumping Farmers classes in Holland and if she has ever done flatwork in her life I would be astonished
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She is very, VERY nice to have around and I rode her very, very badly. Felt as though she was going fast and on looking at the video she wasn't and if I had left her to jump out of a more forward pace I think we would be viewing something different, however defensive riding of new horses and all that
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I have negotiated an extremely good price for her because of the flatwork required, a price that if she won't happily jump over 1.10m I would easily get back selling her on, but TBH I am aiming to do the amateur classes and 1.10m will be a fun level to compete at. These are pics from her advert with a decent rider on her back
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I think you can see there is a horse to be worked with...

http://www.mbequestrian.com/texas.html

I will also have a lot of money to play with for training and for my lorry fund.

The dun. I really, really wanted to fall head over heels in love with this chap as I have always wanted a dun (shallow, moi?!). However, I was apprehensive about even riding him as he looked sharp and TBH I wasn't sure I would be able to ride one side of him - sitting on him told a different story and he was an enjoyable ride. However, he IS 11yo and has not had any competitive experience for years - indeed he spooked hard at a block being moved in the school and he was apparently very spooky when taken to Ascott XC schooling the day after the BE when all the fences were dressed. If I wanted to dressage then I think I would be more won over as there is talent there to be exploited, but I am never going to be a dressage rider. I am taking him out for a canter in company tomorrow to see if I can stop LOL.

So, which one did I enjoy riding the most. The grey, hands down. I had a lot of fun with her which isn't on camera. She is actually very up for jumping and really takes you into a fence - I was holding her back far too much.
 
I wouldn't buy either.
Now that's not meant in a nasty way but neither impressed me that much, I know you want to SJ to a decent level and neither produced the sort of effortless jump I reckon you need.
The grey looks very stiff in it's back, and just about lifted it's back end over the fences, the dun was much better, but I think you'll find it will get to a limit not much above what it is now and not be able to do more.
I wouldn't touch the grey because the warning bells rang for me, the other is a better prospect but I would look further afield, you don't want to settle for something you're undecided about, you want to get off and say"I've GOT to have this horse!"
If you are unsure which then neither is right.
(trust me I ran a horse finding agency for years
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When was the grey imported? Don't forget if its imported recently it will have imported winnings on its bsja record. unless you can prove it has never competed abroad.

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Yes imported and eligible to have winnings downgraded to £0 as has only competed unaff in Holland.
 
Ahh see I would have bought the grey then and there but was warned off a bit so went to sit on this other one, and the camp is split as to which one - I want the grey, I really enjoyed riding her but weaknesses were pointed out to me, hence why I had her vetted as I figured if she failed I could dismiss her completely. I will be honest, she doesn't ever feel as though she is going to touch a pole, and ATM I own a mare with a phenomenal back end on her but that doesn't mean she is always clean in front
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I have negotiated a good deal on her.

I have been quietly looking for months now and nothing has made me smile like the grey horse - I don't have unlimited funds because I want to buy a horsebox, so I have the same money I can get for P. If I had £10k then I am sure I could improve on the ones I am sitting on! It may be a buyers market out there but this buyer cannot find much she likes!
 
Forget the Dun he is not a show jumper - he had his go at BSJA and got nowhere.

You just have to decide if you want the grey.
 
Hi Lou
IMO you look happier on the grey. The videos aren't great but...it was clear to me you were happier on the grey. I see what people are saying about the greys back. However if you are getting a great deal and you like her and you feel she will probably do what you want. Go for it!
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Weezy, reading this post it is easy to see that your heart is set on the grey- therefore, IMO, forget about the dun. Not only is it not really suitable for your initial criteria, you also didn't enjoy it as much as you enjoyed riding the grey. So both heart and head says go for the grey
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Good luck whatever you decide!
 
I think description of Horse 1 sounds more suitable to your lifestyle and from the video I prefer the grey.

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she is neigh on impossible to make strike off right, would rather counter canter round right hand corners, but will come over a fence and canter right.

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This happened with a pony we bought for my daughter to do BSJA on. The pony had not done BSJA before and when we tried him out we did not realise what a problem his hard right side was going to be. I lunged him for months and had professional people schooling him, but he just wouldn't come right on the right. I had his back, teeth, pelvis checked but all was fine. In the end we sold him as she could not SJ him as he could not get round the right hand corners properly ending up coming to jumps disunited on generally unbalanced. He was however an absolutely fab hunting pony and the family we sold him to are a hunting/HT/XC family and so he is in his element thankfully.

So just a warning really about lack of suppleness on that right side.
 
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Ahh see I would have bought the grey then and there but was warned off a bit so went to sit on this other one, and the camp is split as to which one

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Why does it have to be one or the other of these two?

I have not followed your posts - are you looking for something to have a bit of fun with at local level or a proper competition horse? The grey looks a nice type for RC level activities but is very limited scope wise: there is a BIG difference between 1.00m unaffiliated and a decent affiliated track, and the fact that she only competed unaffiliated in Holland suggests that she has trouble with the spreads / distances at Affiliated level. There may be physical reasons for this and for me the reluctance to canter on one rein would cause concern.

If you have your heart set on her, I would go back and ask to see her jumped over a decent track, some full width parallels and combinations / related distances.

ETA I like the Dun but his age is against him, especially if he has a chequered past.
 
Thank you everyone for your views
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I think I am a little closer to knowing what to do for now, but I still may not have sat on the right horse yet! I understand all of you who have said neither, believe me I can see the faults as clearly as the next person!
 
If only Tara was a hand bigger
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Shes grey, she hunts, I've jumped 1.10m affilliated courses clear on her and I'm crap
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And you could chuck her in a field for a month and then get on her and jump her in a 1m class and she wouldn't be any different
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I will put some MiracleGro in her food tonight, will let you know tomorrow if shes grown
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Sorry,just arrived!
Am I too late?
Just wanted to say,buy what you feel comfortable with.
The grey will,I think be a fun horse and safe.
If you build up a combination with him/her,I think you will be easily able to jump 1.10 and 1.15.
I think,ideally,he/she could have a better canter (bit more length of stride therefore more scope)
But you looked dead happy and I wish you many successfull outings,keep us posted.
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