Elf On A Shelf
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It's a Wilson snaffle. Originally a driving bit it gives you a bit more control than a normal loose ring snaffle but isn't as harsh as a dexter.
2022 Grand National
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It's a Wilson snaffle. Originally a driving bit it gives you a bit more control than a normal loose ring snaffle but isn't as harsh as a dexter.
rabatsa
Confuddled
It looks more like a scorrier snaffle to me, as the inner bit rings are not loose and below the bit but look more like they pass through it.
Thundering
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I really hope no horses hurt or killed too. I am often conflicted about using horses in sport. Do we have the right to use horses in this way for our own entertainment? Its a big question.
nagblagger
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[QUOTE="Thundering,]I really hope no horses hurt or killed too. I am often conflicted about using horses in sport. Do we have the right to use horses in this way for our own entertainment? Its a big question.
I too hope no horses are injured or killed, having recently been at Wincanton where 2 died, it is horrific. However I horse ride so that is for my entertainment and what about dressage, SJ, etc would you want to ban those as it's sport... difficult question, I can't answer.
I too hope no horses are injured or killed, having recently been at Wincanton where 2 died, it is horrific. However I horse ride so that is for my entertainment and what about dressage, SJ, etc would you want to ban those as it's sport... difficult question, I can't answer.
Thundering
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It is difficult and its a question I think about more and more.
Gallop_Away
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It is a difficult question indeed, and is quite the rabbit hole when you think about it. It's a question that applies not just to racing but every other equestrian sport. Indeed even riding horses in general.
I hope all the horses and jockeys return home safe today.
I hope all the horses and jockeys return home safe today.
littleshetland
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Its a really difficult one, but I think horse sport should always be about the trainer/rider skill. By that I mean there should be a lot less emphasis on the stamina and fitness of horses...of course fitness is always a factor in horse sports, and of course, a fit horse will be healthy and hopefully, happy and fit for purpose, but there should be a balance. It troubles me greatly too see horses pushed to their absolute limits, resulting sometimes in the death of the horse. To see horses pushed over a course of miles, including multiple massive jumps - most will live, but some will die, and then to finish the race an absolutely spent force is not really my idea of entertainment.
I know humans like to push themselves to their absolute limits - higher, faster, further, but I'm not sure if its a good thing or entirely fair to inflict this philosophy on animals who are, as we know, the most generous of creatures and will give you their 'all' to the point of their own demise.
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Elf On A Shelf
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The same could be said of eventing though. And you don't need a licence to train or ride eventers.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
I saw an ad for the Ulster Region Summer Pony Tour (SJ) today, with an image of the head of the unhappiest looking pony you could possibly have picked to advertise it. I don't like seeing deaths in racing but I wish that other disciplines had anything like the level of welfare control that racing has.
PoppyAnderson
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1 just had a heart attack and died on the course and another (same race) suffered a fatal injury.
Elf On A Shelf
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Not a fatal injury. The horse walked into the ambulance for further assessment in the stable yard.
nagblagger
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Please keep us updated on its condition Elf... It must be awful if you are connected with the horse, it's bad enough from the sofa !
PoppyAnderson
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I could have sworn that the commentator said that. Apologies if not.
Gallop_Away
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Here we go!
All looking on fantastic form
All looking on fantastic form
Crazy_cat_lady
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Yes Sam!!! Was shouting him om!
What a way to retire
I fear for Éclair Surf though, think it was him behind the screens ? thought Anibale Fly was injured in the melee but think he was ok
What a way to retire
I fear for Éclair Surf though, think it was him behind the screens ? thought Anibale Fly was injured in the melee but think he was ok
AmyMay
Situation normal
Outstanding battle for first and second. What magnificent animals, and a wonderful race.
Gallop_Away
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Talk about going out with a bang!
Burnttoast
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I just watched slightly against my better judgement (I used to enjoy most horse sports but tbh I can't think of any that hasn't had the shine taken off it for me in recent years) and as expected I was left feeling pretty conflicted. It has a feel of what I imagine the Colosseum might have been like. All those humans screaming at the horses/their horse to bust a gut on their behalf, so they can win a tenner, a hundred, whatever, or just be proved right in their choice. And at the elbow after 10 minutes of galloping and jumping efforts they are asked for yet more to make some humans happy. It's just vaguely distasteful. And of course some don't come home, but that continues to be a sacrifice humans are willing to make.
cauda equina
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When you care more about the fallers getting up than who wins you do question why you're watching
Snow Falcon
Hoping for drier days
Great result for Sam. Fabulous way to end his career as a jockey.
Crazy_cat_lady
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People on Twitter saying Discorama could be in trouble too...
There definitely looked to be one in trouble after the open ditch on the first circuit and they bypassed it, and you could see one stood behind the screens.
There definitely looked to be one in trouble after the open ditch on the first circuit and they bypassed it, and you could see one stood behind the screens.
Gingerwitch
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Brutal and barbaric and the sport "loves it horses" the hypocritical industry should be truly ashamed of its self. When will this carnage stop ?
Crazy_cat_lady
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Discorama's back end looked completely wrong in the replay, racing post saying all horses back in their stables but ITV just said Éclair Surf is being assessed, same for Discorama
Anibale Fly who should never have been running in it and should be retired, looked to get brought down by ES but think I saw him running loose
Anibale Fly who should never have been running in it and should be retired, looked to get brought down by ES but think I saw him running loose
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Peglo
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I have a most beloved pet standing in my field eating all my money because of this sport. How many thousands of others do too? Yes there’s tragedies and it’s heartbreaking but these horses are loved and looked after. The amount of horses and ponies that suffer because of neglect and disdain is the true show of brutal and barbaric behaviour… IMO
sasquatch
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Currently waiting for any updates on Discorama and Eclair Surf, but I’m hoping the fact they’re all back to the stables is a good sign. Fingers crossed for them all.
No update on Rachel Blackmore as of yet, other than she’s also being assessed and didn’t make it back to the jockeys room. She looked very sore after her fall in the replay, so hope she’s also okay.
No update on Rachel Blackmore as of yet, other than she’s also being assessed and didn’t make it back to the jockeys room. She looked very sore after her fall in the replay, so hope she’s also okay.
Ratface
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Just checked on Google. Says two horses died during Grand National. Google not always failure proof, though.
Personally, I think the Grand National should be banned. Not in any horse's best interests.
However, I doubt it will be. Like greyhound racing, humans' desire for money and "excitement" will almost always trump animal welfare.
Personally, I think the Grand National should be banned. Not in any horse's best interests.
However, I doubt it will be. Like greyhound racing, humans' desire for money and "excitement" will almost always trump animal welfare.
palo1
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I think that is during the GN Festival - very sadly. So far no horses reported PTS in the main race.
Elf On A Shelf
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Without racing equine veterinary science would be decades behind where it is now.
Rowreach
Adjusting my sails
No deaths would be best, but neither of these two were in the Grand National itself. One was injured earlier in the week and pts, the other had a suspected heart attack on the run in earlier this afternoon.
I'm not arguing with your view that you think the GN should be banned, but asking that you don't mistakenly use incorrect statements to back it up.
sasquatch
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seen a few reports on twitter to say Eclair Surf is okay and was just winded, but have yet to see anything from the trainer to confirm.
Nothing on Rachel or Discorama as of yet
Nothing on Rachel or Discorama as of yet