3rd body found...

i havent read this whole thread but it seems to me that by killing the animals the man had a shred of humanity left. he must have known he was going to torch the house, that would be a terrible death for them.
And it is easy to judge from afar but it is also easy to be driven to insanity by combinations of circumstances that indivdually would not have so drastic an effect. If you are on the precipice the actions he took would all have looked sane and for the best to him.
i do not condone what he has done but i have been close to total breakdown myself and had it not been for one or two people whose unexpected kindness saved me who knows where i might have ended up. perhaps the man was not so lucky, perhaps his life' choices gave him no one to turn to and therefore he stepped over the brink.
this is the most sad and tragic story, i think our thoughts should be entirely with any relatives and that that castigating the man when he is dead and we do not know the circumstances serves little purpose except to make the paparazzi richer.
 
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but I do feel that we should have some compassion for a man who was very obviously mentally ill.

This is all so very very sad but I do not think Chris Foster was evil, sick yes, but not evil.

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I don't think you can simplify things, or absolve him from responsibility by saying he committed suicide, ergo he must be insane.
His actions in killing his wife, daughter, animals and destroying property belonging to others were evil, and if one is the sum of one's actions, he is evil too.
May Jill and Kirstie Foster rest in peace, and their relatives find some comfort.
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but I do feel that we should have some compassion for a man who was very obviously mentally ill.

This is all so very very sad but I do not think Chris Foster was evil, sick yes, but not evil.

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I don't think you can simplify things, or absolve him from responsibility by saying he committed suicide, ergo he must be insane.
His actions in killing his wife, daughter, animals and destroying property belonging to others were evil, and if one is the sum of one's actions, he is evil too.
May Jill and Kirstie Foster rest in peace, and their relatives find some comfort.
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Not insane, mentally ill, mental illness is a terrible thing, people loose the ability to think logically, for him perhaps this was the only way out that he could see. I also believe that he knew that by killing himself, any life insurance would be null and void, I am giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wanted to spare his family grief, sadness and an uncertain financial future, like Lucretia, I believe the animals were killed in an act (in his eyes) of compassion. Perhaps he also believed that the family could be together after death, who know what this man was thinking.

I am in no way absolving him of blame, just trying to understand why someone would do this terrible thing, I just do not believe it was a selfish act, tbh if he was selfish, he would have just killed himself and left them all to come to terms with it.

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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.
 
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Yes you are right. Next time I want my cake and my ha'penny, I'll kill all my horses, my kids and their pets and my OH. Before topping my poor sorry self I'll incinerate my property (which is half my OH's but that's OK because he's now dead) and waste christ knows how much police and forensics time and maybe even cost a fire-fighter or two their life. Because I am humane.
 
I can't feel any sympathy for people like Mr Foster. He's no different to the men/women who kill their children due to marital break up or the woman who recently killed her baby in a microwave. Do we have lots of sympathy for the man who killed those four small children in North Wales 'cause his wife had left him... I certainly don't, only for the innocents that are killed &amp; the grieving family members who remain.

He had absolutely no right to kill his wife &amp; child, couldn't give a to** how depressed he was at the fu*k up he'd made of his life. No sympathy for him from me.
 
read the post properly before making a sarcastic comment. as Mickey said we are not experts we dont know what was going on in his head, i just think he thought it better to shoot the animals instead of letting them dies in the flames. i did not say that made his actions better or worse, i am just not prepared to call a man evil before i know all the facts. as several people have said, mental illness does not mean evil.
frankly his actions though terrible will waste a lot less police time, if you are so concerned with that, than collecting evidence against jamie gray, or the moors murderers or the railway rapist. or if he had killed the family and done a runner for that matter. as soon as the bodies are all identified thats pretty much it for police time really.
 
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I just do not believe it was a selfish act, tbh if he was selfish, he would have just killed himself and left them all to come to terms with it.


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Damn, I'm so hoping my OH is a selfish b*st*rd, and, if the urge takes him, tops himself whilst leaving me to 'come to terms with it'.
I hope he doesn't nobly try to slaughter me, healthy animals and our possessions too.
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Am i the only one thinking (VERY slim chance) but maybe he did it for the benefit of his family? he didnt want them living in poverty after his debts were collected and would rather them be dead than have a poor quality of life? its still selfish.. but slightly less wierd?

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frankly his actions though terrible will waste a lot less police time

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posts like this confuse me, i'm really not sure why that's relevant
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QR: Just wanted to say I don't *hate* him and I have been careful about saying that. I hate what he has done and I despise him as a man, father and husband - he has put his family in a tenuous situation for years because of his own actions and that is abhorrent. Just say that it had have been a hit, the blood would STILL have been on his hands, whichever way you look at it. I am angered and disgusted.

I tend not to try and hate anyone, but there is one person I hate right now, and that is Alan Jermey for what he did to my friend. I hate him for what he has done to 2 innocent little girls. I hate him for what he has done to Kirsty's family and friends. Maybe the hate will dissipate into something else over time, but right now the raw, emotional feelings I have are eating me up. I don't think I will ever feel sorry for him, but he has a life sentence knowing what he did, in cold blood, and for that I spit at him.
 
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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.

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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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My cousin has had to 'come to terms' finding her husband hanging from a light flex in his study. It's not all you'd make it out to be Shils and I know on more than one occasion she has wished he took her too rather than leave her to cope with the fall out that followed. Be careful what you wish for
 
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i havent read this whole thread but it seems to me...

read the post properly before making a sarcastic comment.

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Anyone see a contradiction here?
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do i get a prize???
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My cousin has had to 'come to terms' finding her husband hanging from a light flex in his study. It's not all you'd make it out to be Shils and I know on more than one occasion she has wished he took her too rather than leave her to cope with the fall out that followed. Be careful what you wish for

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Excuse me?! What on earth are you saying to me? How absolutely dare you lecture me about your cousin's husband's suicide?
Read my post more carefully, as you appear to have missed the meaning ENTIRELY.
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i havent read this whole thread but it seems to me...

read the post properly before making a sarcastic comment.

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Anyone see a contradiction here?
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do i get a prize???
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Well done, JM07, you are the Clouseau of HHO.
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I am finding it hard that people are saying they hate a man they have never met and who has not directly affected their lives based on this.

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IF this story turns out to be true, then I feel deep hatred for such a cold-blooded, cold-minded premeditated act of wanton murder; especially of a young girl, and the person responsible for it. I also have a deep hatred and loathing of Hitler, whom similarly I have never met.
 
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No I haven't missed you meaning, I just felt it was in bad taste and extremely hurtful to anyone who may have been in the situation of having a close family member commit suicide.

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Yes, you have missed my meaning entirely.
And your comments seem to be in extremely bad taste, to me.
Not that you'll care, I'm sure you can't see past your own family.
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i havent read this whole thread but it seems to me that by killing the animals the man had a shred of humanity left.

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Or he didn't want to just turn them loose in case someone else ended up with them... Let's hope he was an expert shot, as we all know that shooting a horse requires a great deal of accuracy if it is to be a humane death.
 
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I am finding it hard that people are saying they hate a man they have never met and who has not directly affected their lives based on this.

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IF this story turns out to be true, then I feel deep hatred for such a cold-blooded, cold-minded premeditated act of wanton murder; especially of a young girl, and the person responsible for it. I also have a deep hatred and loathing of Hitler, whom similarly I have never met.

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i've been wanting to make the same point myself Sooty but wimped out
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I also have a deep hatred and loathing of Hitler, whom similarly I have never met.

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But Sooty, in order to commit genocide Hitler must have been mentally ill therefore deserves everyones sympathy and understanding and is absolved of a degree of responsibility. Apparently
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Sorry to be so flippant but sheesh, you could argue any mass murderer must be mentally ill in order to commit their crimes. It's not a carte blanche excuse.
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I think Hitler sprang to mind simply because of the premedidated nature of the whole set-up. Obviously there have been many tyrannical murderous leaders of various nations, but it is the clinical nature of this that has really got to me.
 
yeah but there are several types of nutter arent there? ones that are born with little or no conscience and those that become unstable because of circumstances? hitler was a pyschopath or is it a sociopath, if your man in shropshire was one of those then it was likely to be premediated evil but then he would be unlikely to kill himself because those sorts of nutters dont see that they have done wrong or tht normal rules apply to them. maniac depressiveness is something else entirely and i will be interested to find out ( as we will in the course of time) what sort of mental problem this man did have. it doesnt excuse him but might explain it.
 
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