3rd body found...

Sociopath and psychopath are basically the same thing, and from reading about his business dealings it does seem this man was somewhat lacking in the moral fibre department. Who now knows how far his ruthlessness went? Well, I mean we now know the final effects, but I wonder what he was like as a person. None too nice, yet with a charming exterior, I'd wager.
 
I cannot believe that people are trying to justify what he did, and saying that it was "humane" to shoot the animals. why not put the horses out in the field? and put the dogs in a car and drive it down the lane 100 yards, knowing that the police and firemen will be there within an hour anyway.
it beggars belief that this coldly calculated slaughter can possibly have a positive spin put on it.
like Shilasdair, i very sincerely hope, to the very bottom of my heart, that no-one ever presumes to be so "humane" on behalf of me or my animals.
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I cannot believe that people are trying to justify what he did, and saying that it was "humane" to shoot the animals. why not put the horses out in the field? and put the dogs in a car and drive it down the lane 100 yards, knowing that the police and firemen will be there within an hour anyway.
it beggars belief that this coldly calculated slaughter can possibly have a positive spin put on it.
like Shilasdair, i very sincerely hope, to the very bottom of my heart, that no-one ever presumes to be so "humane" on behalf of me or my animals.
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Totally agree Kerilli
 
I've also been glued to this story since this broke and am desperate to find out what really happened.

I don't feel any anger or hatred towards the father - if he indeed was responsible. The whole thing has just made me very, very sad.
 
One of the reasons he would have shot the horses & dogs is that once the fire had started in the stable block (which judging by the photos was seperate to the house) the noise they would have made would have alerted the wife and daugther. They would have no doubt have come running and thus mucked up his plan for them to be in the house at the time.

Once they had seen the fire, the fire bridage would have been on there way and it would have completely scuppered his plans of shooting them. How would he able to explain two shot bodies by the stable yard 10mins after a phone call to 999? Nothing humane about killing those animals, he did it to avoid any problems later on that night.

Feel sorry for the wife and daughter in all of this
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One of the reasons he would have shot the horses & dogs is that once the fire had started in the stable block (which judging by the photos was seperate to the house) the noise they would have made would have alerted the wife and daugther. They would have no doubt have come running and thus mucked up his plan for them to be in the house at the time.


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My understanding is that the police believe the family to have been shot first.
 
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One of the reasons he would have shot the horses & dogs is that once the fire had started in the stable block (which judging by the photos was seperate to the house) the noise they would have made would have alerted the wife and daugther. They would have no doubt have come running and thus mucked up his plan for them to be in the house at the time.


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My understanding is that the police believe the family to have been shot first.

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That's my understanding too
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I cant believe how much people seem to be enjoying the drama, imagining how things happened
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That Sirena always enjoys blood and gore.
I only wish there were more decent people like you, who'd stay out of nasty threads like this.
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as several people have said, mental illness does not mean evil.


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Yes and evil does not mean mental illness. Just as kindness does not mean mental illness. Just as compassion does not mean mental illness.

Face it; in life there are good people and bad people - he was bad in my opinion.
 
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I cant believe how much people seem to be enjoying the drama, imagining how things happened
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just wait till the funeral...i can imagine it now..... will be very "Diana"...with national outpouring of grief, flowers thrown at every corner........

with people talking about it, making doumentaries, conspericies, claims, counter claims, court cases....ooo, at least in ten years time....
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Just back in from jobs...... humane would have been consulting everything and everyone about their desire to be shot and burned, not making that decision on behalf of at least those animals.

Whoever thinks people on here are getting off on imagining all the scenarios which led to this - well, I'm just glad most folks are baffled and horrified and sickened. Mulling over they whys and wherefores are a normal way of trying to assemble the mess into something which might make sense. It won't, of course.

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well said Tia
not saying mr foster was evil or mentally ill as i dont know him
but some people are evil and some are mentally ill and both can commit these atrocities and are thus very bad humans.
 
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One of the reasons he would have shot the horses & dogs is that once the fire had started in the stable block (which judging by the photos was seperate to the house) the noise they would have made would have alerted the wife and daugther. They would have no doubt have come running and thus mucked up his plan for them to be in the house at the time.


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My understanding is that the police believe the family to have been shot first.

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Ooooooo didn't know that! Ignore me then
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maybe i've watched "murder she wrote" too often, but...



"he" put a silencer on the gun, shot the daughter/wife..

went outside, shot the 3 horses/dogs, drove horsebox to end of drive, blocked drive, walked back, set fire to garage and stables....walked to house, chucked the dogs inside, baracaded doors, set fire to house, then when all was well alight, went to his wife and shot himself...

my 50pence worth...

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humane would have been consulting everything and everyone about their desire to be shot and burned, not making that decision on behalf of at least those animals.



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I don't recall consulting either my cats, my rats, my gerbils or my horse before I had them PTS. Or are you saying you should only consult your animals if you are going to shoot and burn them? Better contact the knacker man and vets to make sure all the clients they have that have their animals shot and then cremated have consulted the animals first and talked it through with them. If that's the only humane way to do it.
 
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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.

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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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Although I am almost lost in this - I am a bit dim sometimes!
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-I do believe that this post is personally very insulting. I do not need a psychistrist to analyse what I have just said - Please do not compare me to a man that has just murdered his family.
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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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Although I am almost lost in this - I am a bit dim sometimes!
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-I do believe that this post is personally very insulting. I do not need a psychistrist to analyse what I have just said - Please do not compare me to a man that has just murdered his family.
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Congratulations Shils, you have totally baffled another one.
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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.

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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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Although I am almost lost in this - I am a bit dim sometimes!
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-I do believe that this post is personally very insulting. I do not need a psychistrist to analyse what I have just said - Please do not compare me to a man that has just murdered his family.
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Oh, I couldn't possibly; as I explained only a PSYCHIATRIST at consultant level would be qualified to compare you and ascertain whether you/he are evil. Given that you personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS, I find it interesting (although again perhaps pointless) that you are keen NOT to be compared to him, which would suggest that you certainly have judged him; if this was not so, then you would be neutral about the suggestion of the comparison, (however pointless in the eyes of PSYCHIATRISTS)
Don't you agree?
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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.

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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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Forgot to say - Above - Seems to be a discrepancy??? - **I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge. **
**I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.**

So one minute you think psych are not the only people qualified to judge and the next you think they ARE the only people to judge?

Although I am almost lost in this - I am a bit dim sometimes!
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-I do believe that this post is personally very insulting. I do not need a psychistrist to analyse what I have just said - Please do not compare me to a man that has just murdered his family.
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Oh, I couldn't possibly; as I explained only a PSYCHIATRIST at consultant level would be qualified to compare you and ascertain whether you/he are evil. [/b] Given that you personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS, I find it interesting (although again perhaps pointless) that you are keen NOT to be compared to him, which would suggest that you certainly have judged him; if this was not so, then you would be neutral about the suggestion of the comparison, (however pointless in the eyes of PSYCHIATRISTS)
Don't you agree? ****I have not judged him, but I do know the facts as publicised. I said that I thought the best people/person to give a qualified opinion on that man's mental state at the time of the incident were PSYCHIATRISTS (losing my voice now, need to fetch a foghorn prompto). This man, as we have established, committed several murders. His state of mind thus would warrant expert attention???? I did not murder animals and people, thus I do not see that I require that attention. It is irrelevant (and quite possibly pointless.........to make that comparison). ***** Bloody hell - The plot thickens. Better stop that flow of white wine at once.
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QR Haven't read all of this post, but I do think it is pointless trying to understand why he did this, that, or the other, without a consultant's view. Also equally pointless trying to treat his actions (with hate, rage etc) as if he were right in his head. I personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS. We are wasting our time speculating or stating that he was 'evil'.

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I think it is pointless of you to comment on how pointless it is for us to consider whether he is sane or not. I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge.
I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.
But that doesn't seem to have stopped you.
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Forgot to say - Above - Seems to be a discrepancy??? - **I am not sure I even accept your point that only PSYCHIATRISTS (why SHOUT?) are the only people fit to judge. **
**I think only psychiatrists, sorry PSYCHIATRISTS, are fit to judge whether there is any point in your considering our contributions pointless, too.**

So one minute you think psych are not the only people qualified to judge and the next you think they ARE the only people to judge?
<font color="blue"> Initially I was uncertain, but after reading the quality of your argument, I became utterly convinced.
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Although I am almost lost in this - I am a bit dim sometimes!
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-I do believe that this post is personally very insulting. I do not need a psychistrist to analyse what I have just said - Please do not compare me to a man that has just murdered his family.
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Oh, I couldn't possibly; as I explained only a PSYCHIATRIST at consultant level would be qualified to compare you and ascertain whether you/he are evil. [/b] Given that you personally think the only people fit to judge why he committed this crime and whether his sickness meant he was not able to feel a sense of right or wrong at the time are PSYCHIATRISTS, I find it interesting (although again perhaps pointless) that you are keen NOT to be compared to him, which would suggest that you certainly have judged him; if this was not so, then you would be neutral about the suggestion of the comparison, (however pointless in the eyes of PSYCHIATRISTS)
Don't you agree? ****I have not judged him, but I do know the facts as publicised. I said that I thought the best people/person to give a qualified opinion on that man's mental state at the time of the incident were PSYCHIATRISTS (losing my voice now, need to fetch a foghorn prompto). This man, as we have established, committed several murders. His state of mind thus would warrant expert attention???? I did not murder animals and people, thus I do not see that I require that attention. It is irrelevant (and quite possibly pointless.........to make that comparison). ***** Bloody hell - The plot thickens. Better stop that flow of white wine at once.
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<font color="blue"> By several murders, I assume you mean two? I appreciate that consultant PSYCHIATRISTS (cough, cough - why do we shout that?) are important to ascertain his state of mind, at the time he was on his killing and burning spree. As a rank amateur, however, I feel able to speculate that he was feeling a little overtired, at the very least.
May I refer you again to your point which stated 'We are wasting our time speculating'....
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The only speculating I have done is to predict that the best people to assess motives/state of mind are PSYCHIATRISTS.
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I use uppercase because of their undoubted importance and superiority.
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I included the animals as well as people when I said 'several'.
 
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The only speculating I have done is to predict that the best people to assess motives/state of mind are PSYCHIATRISTS.
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I use uppercase because of their undoubted importance and superiority.
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I included the animals as well as people when I said 'several'.

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Ah, my cousin is a CONSULTANT and certainly always uses capitals when writing or speaking of himself (seriously
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