A good cross for a short legged Jack Russell?

It happens , everyone who has ever bred or rather specialises in livestock knows this, whats in the parents pass to the offspring, all these things have to be taken into consideration. Still bad rearing/upbringing/training can be as much to blame as bad breeding.
 
Vizslak said:
Obediently I have done...you state they are to be companions....twice, no mention of working?
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good girl.

In my first post I stated "she was a typical Jack Russell in that she was independant", and also stated I wished to produce "a more lap orientated offspring"

where is the confusion in that?

Yes she herself is a very good example of what is essentially a Ratting Terrier. And also obedient (much like yourself) actually she hasnt moved off my lap all evening, shelends herself well to that role also. I could easly breed her to some very good local Ratters, and produce a dynsty of repected ratters, but instead, I thought to see what other options I may have.
 
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Sun said:
Wow, I have never heard of this breed, but just googled and wow they are LOVELY!

thansk for your support, yes I know about the trials and tribulations of rehoming, not an easy task that I dont doupt for one minute, and why I wont just randomly breed... and why I started looking for advice LOL that turned out to be!
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They look lovely but they are a very difficult breed and generally only do well in working homes. I have fostered 4 and only one was successfully rehabbed and rehomed :( They do not adapt well to living in a house and have a strong instinct for killing small things including cats and other small dogs :(

If you want a dog for its looks I don't suggest one of these :(
 
Vizslak said:
FFS I give up with complete bloody morons and this flaming forum. Why ask for advice and not take it unless its the one post out of many that happens to suit you. Pointless and ridiculous.
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Well I asked for advise, some of which was much appreciated as it directly was RELATIVE to my question, however the rest of it was high horse preaching.
 
Sun said:
good girl.

In my first post I stated "she was a typical Jack Russell in that she was independant", and also stated I wished to produce a more lap orientated offspring"

where is the confusion here?

Yes she herself is a very good example of what is essentially a Ratting Terrier. And also v obedient (much like yourself) and actaully hasnt moved off my lap all evening, so lends herself well to that role also. I coudl easly breed her to some very good local Ratters, and produce a dynsty of repected ratters, but instead, I thought to see what other options I may have.
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If you truely think that makes it clear that shes a working dog you need your head testing...lord only knows how you manage to conduct your life with such 'clear' communication.
 
I am really LOL'ing here :)

Just reading the title, I knew before I even opened the thread that the OP would get a lynching ;)

Honestly, some of you should just listen to yourselves!

Not everyone wants to/can rescue (I can't because I work :rolleyes: ) and although I have no idea where the OP is from, round here JRT's are highly prized and command a lot of money for a good working strain (personally I can't stand them!!). Years ago we used to have a "ratcatchers pack" where a whole load of people would meet (usually on a Sunday after the pub) and all the terriers would be set in a barn to catch the rats :)

Some of you are so devout about only breeding like with like - yet don't you realise what a load of crap pure bred dogs there are out there? I bet there are more rubbish pure breds than mongrels. Just the other day we were discussing outbreeding to save a breed - and that was ok. All pure breds nowadays originate from crossing to perfect a good dog with a purpose - why stop now? Has evolution stopped?

There are plenty of homes out there for a nice family dog, they don't care about its showlines or how interbred it is.

OP - has you considered a border? Just recently a friend of mine's border got caught by a marauding JRT and they could have given away the puppies twice over - and yes they have all gone locally to good homes :) which may shock some you :p
 
echodomino said:
ETA Plummer's are nice BUT are very headstrong working Terriers - I'd say more so than a JRT
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Unless you own one or hve trained one or several!! then you really cant comment, I have bred these for 15 yrs , and believe me I know , I also worked with Brian Plummer for 5yrs prior to his death, and bred the plummer of the year for the past 5 yrs, so I rekon as I have dogs out working, showing, as companions, in agility, obediance, house pets , living with disabled kids etc etc I have right to comment dont you?

When you can take

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuMj9Y0ypWA

this lot for a walk, all home bred and reared, then I'll let you comment until that, then its an opinion not fact. I only deal in facts!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAd456RDWU
 
Ravenwood said:
I am really LOL'ing here :)

Just reading the title, I knew before I even opened the thread that the OP would get a lynching ;)

Honestly, some of you should just listen to yourselves!

Not everyone wants to/can rescue (I can't because I work :rolleyes: ) and although I have no idea where the OP is from, round here JRT's are highly prized and command a lot of money for a good working strain (personally I can't stand them!!). Years ago we used to have a "ratcatchers pack" where a whole load of people would meet (usually on a Sunday after the pub) and all the terriers would be set in a barn to catch the rats :)

Some of you are so devout about only breeding like with like - yet don't you realise what a load of crap pure bred dogs there are out there? I bet there are more rubbish pure breds than mongrels. Just the other day we were discussing outbreeding to save a breed - and that was ok. All pure breds nowadays originate from crossing to perfect a good dog with a purpose - why stop now? Has evolution stopped?

There are plenty of homes out there for a nice family dog, they don't care about its showlines or how interbred it is.

OP - has you considered a border? Just recently a friend of mine's border got caught by a marauding JRT and they could have given away the puppies twice over - and yes they have all gone locally to good homes :) which may shock some you :p
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ah thank you.

hee hee I love Borders :o) but I know they are strong charaters :) the other thought I had was a Norfolk, but again I need to do some reading up to really get a good idea of the breed first.
 
RW I am not against breeding working dogs of any type responsibly and for a purpose...this is not what the OP was proposing, although she now seems to have changed her tune :confused: I stud my parson out for such matings, please do not think that I am a purebreed advocate per se. Border x JRT make good working dogs (cos you are putting pure blood back into the JRT IMO but thats another discussion!)
 
Vizslak said:
If you truely think that makes it clear that shes a working dog you need your head testing...lord only knows how you manage to conduct your life with such 'clear' communication.
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Astute. I am just a farmer, I talk to dogs and sheep all day, I have the communication skills of those said sheep. fact.
 
Christmas_Crackers said:
They look lovely but they are a very difficult breed and generally only do well in working homes. I have fostered 4 and only one was successfully rehabbed and rehomed :( They do not adapt well to living in a house and have a strong instinct for killing small things including cats and other small dogs :(

If you want a dog for its looks I don't suggest one of these :(
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Want to see pics of some plummers in bed? kill cats lol, we have a long haired persian shes 11 now so has been in danger for all these years as I have had these dogs 15 yrs - oops , better tell posh the cat to watch out!!!! OMG- the parrots in danger too, eeks !!!

They are just what you make of them , good owners rear good dogs, just like good trainers of horses, some do , most spout. Generally its them that spout who dont do right, cos they know better, and have to spout to hide their inability, its easy to blame the third party or the horse/dog/breed whatever.
 
Vizslak said:
RW I am not against breeding working dogs of any type responsibly and for a purpose...this is not what the OP was proposing, although she now seems to have changed her tune :confused: I stud my parson out for such matings, please do not think that I am a purebreed advocate per se. Border x JRT make good working dogs (cos you are putting pure blood back into the JRT IMO but thats another discussion!)
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WTF??? YOU BREED?????? and u given ME a hard time for even chewing the cud over it! ;)

I only have working dogs, but even working dogs like to come in and sit on the sofa.
 
Oh dear - I must admit, as I constantly say how much I don't like little dogs!! I did have a Norfolk x Lakeland and I have to say she was loved and adored by everyone :D

Sandy was THE best ratter in a 50 mile radius :D She was very independent and would often disappear through the village to the local hunt kennels, find the biggest rat imaginable and then carry it back through the village home again - much to the shock and horror of all the grockles having their cream tea on the benches outside by the river ;)

Puppy on here bred from her little dog - Patterdale crosses possibly and they seem to be very popular on this forum - just another idea :)
 
Sun said:
WTF??? YOU BREED?????? and u given ME a hard time for even chewing the cud over it! ;)

I only have working dogs, but even working dogs like to come in and sit on the sofa.
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I DO! SO you see I do have an idea of what I'm flaming on about. Yes all mine are sat on the sofa too.
 
Ravenwood said:
Oh dear - I must admit, as I constantly say how much I don't like little dogs!! I did have a Norfolk x Lakeland and I have to say she was loved and adored by everyone :D

Sandy was THE best ratter in a 50 mile radius :D She was very independent and would often disappear through the village to the local hunt kennels, find the biggest rat imaginable and then carry it back through the village home again - much to the shock and horror of all the grockles having their cream tea on the benches outside by the river ;)

Puppy on here bred from her little dog - Patterdale crosses possibly and they seem to be very popular on this forum - just another idea :)
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Did you know they put scottie into patterdales many moons ago?
 
tweedette said:
Unless you own one or hve trained one or several!! then you really cant comment, I have bred these for 15 yrs , and believe me I know , I also worked with Brian Plummer for 5yrs prior to his death, and bred the plummer of the year for the past 5 yrs, so I rekon as I have dogs out working, showing, as companions, in agility, obediance, house pets , living with disabled kids etc etc I have right to comment dont you?

When you can take

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuMj9Y0ypWA

this lot for a walk, all home bred and reared, then I'll let you comment until that, then its an opinion not fact. I only deal in facts!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQAd456RDWU
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Sorry I spoke!!!!!

I was expressing my opinion, I never said ANYTHING about fact!

I have experience with Terriers, I have JRTs, a lot of Terriers share similar traits/characteristics and the like. One of mine is 1/4 Plummer Terrier - her dad was half Plummer.

ETA: That's one very cute puppy :D

WoopsiiD said:
Hmmm the Plummer Terrier is interesting but reading up I don't think they would make for a good combo as they appear to have been bred specifically for ratting so maybe not the best for lapdogging?
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That's what I meant or at least was basing my "opinion" on.
 
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tweedette said:
Many borders are too big now , a good one is superb to look at, they are very slow to mature and a bit thick, you will also add broken coat to a jrt if she is smooth coated.
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A good working border is hard to beat IMO. And you are likely to get a cross of coats, some rough some smooth, but thats pretty likely even if you put it to another smooth jrt...Jrts have allsorts in their genetics and everyone is different, they throw some proper anomilies in their litters.
 
you know what, I just re-read my original post and it wasnt as clear as it should of been.

So, fact. Shes a cracking working short limbed JR. She thinks she is a GSD (dont they all)

I want to breed a litter of puppies for mum & me because she IS a cracking type, both rare & valued as a working dog, and also a hugely freindly loyal "pet"

I wasnt sure I wanted to breed back to JR, and I thought crossing the bitch with someting else to improve her, a slightly less dominant breed that lends well to companionship. Though the pups will spend a lot of their day outside, so not great for toy breeds, probably want to stick within the terrier gene pool :)
 
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Vizslak said:
A good working border is hard to beat IMO. And you are likely to get a cross of coats, some rough some smooth, but thats pretty likely even if you put it to another smooth jrt...Jrts have allsorts in their genetics and everyone is different, they throw some proper anomilies in their litters.
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Mouse is half smooth, she has a wire coat, put her to a wire and she had a mix. Millie is wire coated, put her to a wire and got a mix of coats there too - Mouse is wirey, Lily her sister is smooth
 
echodomino said:
Mouse is half smooth, she has a wire coat, put her to a wire and she had a mix. Millie is wire coated, put her to a wire and got a mix of coats there too - Mouse is wirey, Lily her sister is smooth
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Point and case ;) :)

Have you considered a pure bred parson then OP?
 
echodomino said:
Mouse is half smooth, she has a wire coat, put her to a wire and she had a mix. Millie is wire coated, put her to a wire and got a mix of coats there too - Mouse is wirey, Lily her sister is smooth
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my girl is smooth coated, all her siblings & mum/dad also, particualry so. Although the mother of her dad was full wire coated.
 
Like I said 15 yrs into a dedicated serious breeding project , investigating and following lines, finding things you could never even dream about in these dogs, mostly good, some bad - which has had to be addressed, I rekon I;m in a position to tell you negatives and positives about the breed or at least our Legion Plummers . Its all down to breeding, rearing and training - or dominos, a knock on effect.

I dont show potential owners puppies, I show them a living history of where their pup came from, as far back as I can. Its not been for anything but a promise to a great but very strange man, a love of breeding to improve a vocation, I love my dogs and am very proud of what we have achieved .

No hard feelings, but dont knock Plummers, especially Legion ones lol or I'll growl
 
Sun said:
you know what, I just re-read my original post and it wasnt as clear as it should of been.

So, fact. Shes a cracking working short limbed JR. She thinks she is a GSD (dont they all)

I want to breed a litter of puppies for mum & me because she IS a cracking type, both rare & valued as a working dog, and also a hugely freindly loyal "pet"

I wasnt sure I wanted to breed back to JR, and I thought crossing the bitch with someting else to improve her, a slightly less dominant breed that lends well to companionship. Though the pups will spend a lot of their day outside, so not great for toy breeds, probably want to stick within the terrier gene pool :)
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Well you know what, given your amended explanation I would recommend a Border or a Parson.
Please ensure both parents have full relevent health checks and that you have good homes lined up for the puppies.
 
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