A good cross for a short legged Jack Russell?

tweedette said:
..................meant to add, you lot!! for goodness sake give the girl some advice rather then a lynching, I think we have been there before , me against the mob over some sheperds if I remember rightly, and eventually you all jumped in to help the people , dont persecute, educate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Er, myself and MurphysMinder offered help.
Because we love the breed. Not because of you.
Don't refer to me as being part of a 'mob'.
My advice to the German $hepherd 'breeders' was to stop breeding the way they were, and if they were to do it correctly, I would give advice on that.
 
Sun said:
I only have working dogs, but even working dogs like to come in and sit on the sofa.
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My dogs are working dogs too (well two of them are) but first and foremost they are family pets who love nothing more than cuddling up on the sofa with me or roasting in front of the fire - ok, not as much as going out on the shoot! But Hey, you know what I mean :D
 
My turn to jump on the defensive!! :p
Our first dog was a pure bred JRT.
His mother was small, perfectly formed excellent example of her breed and wire.
His father had trophies to fill several cabinets and was highly thought of at the time (1980's) He too was small and wire.

All Bens litter mates were wire coated.

Ben......smooth as silk, big as a staffie and queen ann legged! So bowed he could play the fiddle but OMG what a dog. He was dognapped to be bred from when he young and before he was snipped and his pups were lush!!

No real point to this post-just an excuse really to remember Ben and all his faults!
 
tweedette said:
Want to see pics of some plummers in bed? kill cats lol, we have a long haired persian shes 11 now so has been in danger for all these years as I have had these dogs 15 yrs - oops , better tell posh the cat to watch out!!!! OMG- the parrots in danger too, eeks !!!

They are just what you make of them , good owners rear good dogs, just like good trainers of horses, some do , most spout. Generally its them that spout who dont do right, cos they know better, and have to spout to hide their inability, its easy to blame the third party or the horse/dog/breed whatever.
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Agree with you - they can be fine if handled correctly. Unfortunately for the average dog owner they are just too much :( Bit like the way huskies are known for causing problems if in the wrong home. We've just shot 2 and one which was proabably a cross breed for killing 4 of our sheep :(
 
Just Googled Plummer Terriers :)

http://dogs.bsl-sbt.com/dogs/plummerterrier.php?s=&l=

A fantastic example of cross breeding to produce a dog to do a job :) And I have no doubt that one day these will be recognised as a breed (if not already) and in years to come some of you on this forum will be advocating the breed - perhaps some of you who are now slating the OP for considering such!!
 
tweedette said:
No hard feelings, but dont knock Plummers, especially Legion ones lol or I'll growl
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Course not :D I didn't mean to sound like I was knocking them, especially as one of my JRTs has got Plummer in them. I merely said they were headstrong, perhaps I should have said I *think* lol, it's like I love my JRTs to bits and am trying to do what you're doing re breeding but am only on my 3rd generation but it's a generalisation that as a breed they are little buggers, like my headstrong Plummer theory but I stand corrected :D and I want that puppy lol
 
Well not really adding anything other than we have a wonderful terrier - given as a wedding present 7 years ago. Her mum was a JRT x Border Dad a Fell terrier. Looks/colour of a border, is the most obedient terrier ever including recall when chasing a rabbit thats going somewhere I don't want her to! Brilliant ratter and when working a real killing machine (eyes go green)!! However at home (lives in house as OH believes workers should still be part of family) she loves nothing more than to snuggle up close, also has never offered to snap/bite. We did have a litter of pups (4) kept one other 3 went to good homes and have to say her daughter we kept is lovely can't fault her temp, loves to cuddle up on sofa and is also a brill worker but is very different to her mum (if human would be the dizzy type)!. As we like the leggy types the dog we used was a Lakeland x Fox Terrier. Basically we have terrier mongrels and guess our 2 Bed/Whips are inc in that but love them all the same. Would just make sure apart from the obvious things that the dog has good temp and don't use anything too big on her if shes small - good luck.
 
Christmas_Crackers said:
Agree with you - they can be fine if handled correctly. Unfortunately for the average dog owner they are just too much :( Bit like the way huskies are known for causing problems if in the wrong home. We've just shot 2 and one which was proabably a cross breed for killing 4 of our sheep :(
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The moral of the story is only let people who you feel have the ability to correctly train a puppy have one - this goes for all breeds.

I could go on and add about mastiff type dogs - which I detest , especially the strange overseas ones which tend to appear in our country - they are not to be trusted, take this example http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/12/24/article-1341322-0C92E81D000005DC-157_468x344.jpg killed a 40 yr old woman while someone stood watching on, waited for the armed police but by this time the woman was almost dead - whats wrong with kitchen utensils ? then again they could have killed the dog - I WOULD have killed the dog no matter how!! These dogs tend to attract the wrong type of owner, and are only safe until they turn, once turned there is little you can do. They - or at least some mastiff breeds were bred for a job, they are not house pets.
 
Ravenwood said:
Just Googled Plummer Terriers :)

http://dogs.bsl-sbt.com/dogs/plummerterrier.php?s=&l=

A fantastic example of cross breeding to produce a dog to do a job :) And I have no doubt that one day these will be recognised as a breed (if not already) and in years to come some of you on this forum will be advocating the breed - perhaps some of you who are now slating the OP for considering such!!
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When Brian Plummer first 'experimented' crossing various terrier breeds with the idea of producing an decent working terrier he had disastrous results. Many were PTS due to temperament problems. He 'experimented' with lurchers to try and produce a excellent coursing dog, although there was no evidence the Plummer type could catch a ball, let alone a hare. He also bred Collies and Cavs indiscriminately for the bucks. I won't go into what is thought of the man by real lurcher & terrier folk, because he's dead. But suffice to say his reasons for crossbreeding weren't in the dogs best interests.
 
Well in that case, considering the pups all have prospective homes (as any good quality jack russell pups should find easy to secure if the bitch is of good quality) I'd go for a parsons stud. They are longer through the leg and should add some inches. I'd be particularly going for one with excellent conformation, not sure if QAL can jump generations though...
I personally, as the owner of what is, in my opinion a very good quality, well put together, mild mannered JRT bitch, wouldn't choose to breed at all. I'd be telling prospective pup owners to exhaust UK rescue before looking to buy a mongrel pup. And only then would I consider adding to the mix.
 
Just got back from doing the equines & met a friend, who has just taken on a JRTxDachshund. Dear little dog, poor conformation though. I don't see the point tbh. I've got what I consider to be 4 decent bitches, could've bred from each and every one. Put the word out, would've sold, no probs. But for what purpose? Terrier types are ten a penny and are languishing in kennels up and down the country, along with thousands of other crossbreeds.
 
Bloomin Christmas Again said:
When Brian Plummer first 'experimented' crossing various terrier breeds with the idea of producing an decent working terrier he had disastrous results. Many were PTS due to temperament problems. He 'experimented' with lurchers to try and produce a excellent coursing dog, although there was no evidence the Plummer type could catch a ball, let alone a hare. He also bred Collies and Cavs indiscriminately for the bucks. I won't go into what is thought of the man by real lurcher & terrier folk, because he's dead. But suffice to say his reasons for crossbreeding weren't in the dogs best interests.
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ahem!! I have been breeding these dogs for 15 yrs, 10 without Brian , history is history, I can state from FACT, EXPERIENCE and SUCESS , NOW!!
We also had plummer bred lurchers, they could catch up to 80 rabbits on an evening , over 300 in 3 days - fed the wildcats all winter , those and a few geese , want the pictures? or is proof and fact only something else to nit pick about, failures? like I said domino effect.

I see Brians wife still churns out second rate commercial dogs , that aint my problem and neither is she ,neither was anything brian did or said, but I had the utmost respect for the man and his knowledge even though most times he couldnt put it into practice - I can and do!! the results speak for themselves.

do you speak from experience? or backdoor tittle tattle?
 
I have a 10 month old JRT x Border Terrier (Mum was JRTx border, Dad pure JRT) - we didn't go looking for a cross, or a pure breed, we went looking for a dog bred as a pet, for temperament, that had had the 'right' early life for us (Stan had been part of a pack of dogs, lived with kids, cats, cows, horses etc...all by 12 weeks old...and it has, IMO, had a lasting positie effect on him). He is a fab doglet, adored by everyone who meets him, so so friendly, house trained in days, obedient, great fun, and loves snuggling on the sofa :)
I really couldn't give a flying fudge if he were pure bred something or cross bred something, it's all about temperament for me, and he was bred for that. I know numpties who own pure bred dogs, and numpties who own cross breeds. I know of a pure bred bitch, VERY expensive, with behavioural problems, but hey, she's a pure bred and the pups will be worth £1500 each so the chances are she'll be bred from...
 
tweedette said:
ahem!! I have been breeding these dogs for 15 yrs, 10 without Brian , history is history, I can state from FACT, EXPERIENCE and SUCESS , NOW!!
We also had plummer bred lurchers, they could catch up to 80 rabbits on an evening , over 300 in 3 days - fed the wildcats all winter , those and a few geese , want the pictures? or is proof and fact only something else to nit pick about, failures? like I said domino effect.

I see Brians wife still churns out second rate commercial dogs , that aint my problem and neither is she ,neither was anything brian did or said, but I had the utmost respect for the man and his knowledge even though most times he couldnt put it into practice - I can and do!! the results speak for themselves.

do you speak from experience? or backdoor tittle tattle?
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Well you've said it yourself, he could talk the talk. The dogs you breed could be the best thing since sliced bread, for all I know or care. A decent terrier man couldn't care less if his dog was bred from Plummer lines or by Jesus Christ himself as long as it can do the job.
 
Bloomin Christmas Again said:
Well you've said it yourself, he could talk the talk. The dogs you breed could be the best thing since sliced bread, for all I know or care. A decent terrier man couldn't care less if his dog was bred from Plummer lines or by Jesus Christ himself as long as it can do the job.
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Lol Im loving the above reply:D

Soz, im sitting on me own at work, just to add I know 2 people with plumber terriers (sp) and they are a night mare, the most unruly dogs I have ever had the dis-pleasure of meeting and highly irritating, one was is an aggresive little sod, and tried to take on anything and everything, even though trained and socialised very young, it just seems hyper as hell even with tuns of exercise and makes the most high pitched screaming noises when t wants to get at something, it learn it's one and only lesson when it attempted to hang of my akita:rolleyes: (luckily I had fed her):D

Sorry other than that I know very little about them, I can see u are passionate about your breed Tweedette.

I would like to add, I never get this u cannot get a j.r.t/samll dog in rescue, we have 3, just rehomed 1, and as for lap dogs we have in the last 2 weeks rehomed
a 14 month westi male
10 month shih tzu female
16 month cairn terrier female
2 year old j.r.t as above male (we also have his rough coated brother)
2 border terrier puppies (14 weeks) 1 male 1 female

We are also home checking for a 12 month poodle

I wont even mention the breeding enough been said:p
 
I've got to say, I accidentally stumbled on this post, read through most of it and am still hyperventilating at the amount of aggression...

I know and understand that some of you are involved, day in, day out, in trying to rehome and provide a decent quality of life to dogs that a lot of idiots out there took on when they were cute puppies, then didn't want any more... BUT it doesn't mean that a rescue dog is the right choice for everyone, every time, and I can't understand why everyone needs to be so judgemental?

What is the difference between breeding purebred say... Vizlas ;) - to sell, to people you don't know, who may or may not be suitable owners... or breeding a one-off litter of crossbreed mutts from your beloved bitch and keeping a couple and selling the rest to people that to the best of your judgement are going to love and cherish the pups to the end of their life?
Why is one responsible breeding and the other not?

I have only owned 4 dogs in my adult life. Number 1, 2 & 3 were rescued.

Number 1 (GreyhoundxGSD female, Very Beloved Lucy Lurcher) was incontinent from being "nicked" when being spayed at 6 months old by the rescue centre - for 12 years I had to change her bed several times a day and my house, well, stank! & of course, I couldn't go to anyone else's house...

Number 2 (RottiexLab male, Gorgeous Mad Max) was extremely dog aggressive. I got him at 18 months old - nothing I could do about his early socialisation then!!! and no amount of training - lots of different behaviourists/techniques, etc... made the blindest bit of difference. For 12 years, when instead of relaxing and enjoying my long walks in the woods/country twice a day, I was on edge, on the outlook for any other dog walkers so that I could swiftly put Max back on the lead...

Number 3 (Short-legged, wire-haired JRT, So Sweet Pixie), 3 years old when I rescued her, simply had no recall at all outside the house - despite a lot of time and effort invested in training. One day, she slipped her collar and collided with a car whilst following her nose in a straight line.... Car won :(

Number 4, it was decided, would be a small (portable) dog, but tough enough to be happy spending hours outside with me down the yard with the horses in all weather and keep the rats/rabbits in check. A little JRT or JRTx. And more than anything... a PUPPY!!! who could be socialised and trained from day dot with other dogs, children, horses, cats etc...

You wouldn't believe how hard it was to find a little cross breed mutt that fitted the bill... going like hot cakes, it appears.

Skye (JRT x Yorkie) is much loved and has a home for life. She's 6 months old now and everyone is smitten with her, and should I chose to breed her to my friend's little Norfolk Terrier, Rocky, I have at least 8 takers!!!
 
GinnieRedwings said:
What is the difference between breeding purebred say... Vizlas ;) - to sell, to people you don't know, who may or may not be suitable owners... or breeding a one-off litter of crossbreed mutts from your beloved bitch and keeping a couple and selling the rest to people that to the best of your judgement are going to love and cherish the pups to the end of their life?
Why is one responsible breeding and the other not?
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Because it is had enough to rehome a pure bred dog, never mind a crossbreed. Yes they are much loved by the bitches owners but if the dog does end up in a shelter (as so many do) then they have a much harder time being rehomed.

Why purposely breed a crossbreed when there are already so many of them needing homes in kennels?
 
haha I missed this

What is the difference between breeding purebred say... Vizlas - to sell, to people you don't know, who may or may not be suitable owners... or breeding a one-off litter of crossbreed mutts from your beloved bitch and keeping a couple and selling the rest to people that to the best of your judgement are going to love and cherish the pups to the end of their life?
Why is one responsible breeding and the other not?

very cleverly worded. I'm not breeding vizslas to indiscriminatly sell to people I dont know and may or may not be suitable owners though.
 
Christmas_Crackers said:
Because it is had enough to rehome a pure bred dog, never mind a crossbreed. Yes they are much loved by the bitches owners but if the dog does end up in a shelter (as so many do) then they have a much harder time being rehomed.

Why purposely breed a crossbreed when there are already so many of them needing homes in kennels?
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Yeah what inky said^^^ and

My maine gripe with X breeding is the lack of health tests/compatible health tests and the fact that in most cases no frigger knows what the hell they will look like and have no clear guidline as to what is expected of the outcome, in regards to character/traits e,t,c, so they end up dump-a-roonied:p
and the toal crap about how much healthier they are yeah right:rolleyes:!!
 
Vizslak said:
haha I missed this

What is the difference between breeding purebred say... Vizlas - to sell, to people you don't know, who may or may not be suitable owners... or breeding a one-off litter of crossbreed mutts from your beloved bitch and keeping a couple and selling the rest to people that to the best of your judgement are going to love and cherish the pups to the end of their life?
Why is one responsible breeding and the other not?

very cleverly worded. I'm not breeding vizslas to indiscriminatly sell to people I dont know and may or may not be suitable owners though.
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Well..........Im not into breeding (I run a puppy farm really) but bye the bye, im assuming u are going to health test the bitch and the dog, have a clear mind on the type of home u need and beable to give the exact traits, characteristics and needs of the breed, the X bred litter will not, cos they dont have a clue, except to say......well my bitch is fine, I can tell u that much, she love a tummy tickle, is fully pish pot trained and loves me dearly...:D so her pups will do the same, the father, I know nowt about, but he looked ok:D sorry im rambling here:o but soooooooooo what:p
 
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