AES - what's happening?

I would be happy to hear from anyone who has verifiable information on the AES studbook just as soon as it becomes available - here's hoping it won't be too long before we all know what is happening with the AES studbook - in the meantime, I will await a written reply to my emails from them.
 
Flyingbuck said:
I would be happy to hear from anyone who has verifiable information on the AES studbook just as soon as it becomes available - here's hoping it won't be too long before we all know what is happening with the AES studbook - in the meantime, I will await a written reply to my emails from them.
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I think the key word here is "verifiable". And as the only source of verifiable information is the AES, yes, you had better await a written reply, because I doubt there's much truth in a lot of what you've already been fed and what is already circulating elsewhere in the media.
 
Diggory said:
I think the key word here is "verifiable". And as the only source of verifiable information is the AES, yes, you had better await a written reply, because I doubt there's much truth in a lot of what you've already been fed and what is already circulating elsewhere in the media.
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You seem to have overlooked the fact that there are currently two claimants to the AES studbook, and according to the link above, the Chamber of Commerce is more likely to favour Kees van den Oetelaar as main shareholder and official owner.

How on earth mare owners are supposed to make decisions with all this going on beats me.
 
Flyingbuck said:
You seem to have overlooked the fact that there are currently two claimants to the AES studbook, and according to the link above, the Chamber of Commerce is more likely to favour Kees van den Oetelaar as main shareholder and official owner.

How on earth mare owners are supposed to make decisions with all this going on beats me.
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You've made that point a number of times now. I'm sure that you will have got it over loud and clear. So any mare owners reading these posts will I hope make up their own minds and be prepared to wait the few days that have been promised before an announcement is made.

If anyone has experienced delays recently in the issuing of passports we have not been amongst them. Our application for a passport, and that of a friend of ours, were both turned around well within the 2 weeks specified by Defra.
 
1. I rang the Defra this afternoon and it would seem they have no knowledge of any changes. As usual they passed the buck and told me to email horse.passports etc to get an answer.

2. The WBFSH list is dated November 2012 ... the trouble started December 2012 ... so this list is outdated.

3. Re the Horseinternational link ... PLEASE consider the source! I.e. Kees van den Oetelaer.
Also Chamber of Commerce deals with business name registration, not with 'content' of that business ... this does means that you can buy an empty business name.

Some points of interest:

- the Anglo European Studbook, operated by mr. Henk Minderman, and working under a covering company called 'Alternative Equine Services (Overseas)' owned by mr Geoffrey Glazzard.
internet site: www.angloeuropeanstudbook.info
Email: secretary@angloeuropeanstudbook.info

- the Anglo European Studbook ltd, operated by (among others) and owned by mr. Kees van den Oetelaar, with no clean working organisation.
internet site until recently: http://www.angloeuropeanstudbook.co.uk/
Email: info@angloeuropeanstudbook.co.uk

Please note the difference in the name = ltd !!!!!

Both parties/sites are using the same post address:
The Anglo European Studbook
PO Box 630
Haywards Heath
West Sussex

They are using different Bank Accounts, one in the Netherlands and one in England.

The Dutch party is also working out under the AESBenelux title (www.AESBenelux.com) which also gives the postal address but different email: http://www.aesbenelux.com/Contact/Stamboek.html

For information about Stallion Approvals etc you have to contact either the (Minderman) group = english telephone number OR for the Dutch group a Dutch telephone number. All other Studbook enquiries are referred to the different email addresses.
 
no_no_nanette said:
... wait the few days that have been promised before an announcement is made.
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A few days? Oh I missed that - thank you for that. I had envisaged months (or even longer) of court wrangling with what had been posted earlier.

Who has promised an announcement in a few days, then?
 
Flying*uck aka Keith Neilson, I think?? So nice to see you supporting British Breeding??

How about we hear Henk's side??
Re using AES stallions, I really cannot see a problem for mare owners, I'm fairly sure any dispute will be sorted by the time your foals are born in 2014 [even if you breed early Keith!!]
The dotinfo website is the one I have always used.
I wouldn't trust the foreign guy further than i could kick him. I think you'll find a private grading in mainland Europe will cost nearer 3 grand.
I have several stallions graded with the AES, from registered to Approved [Including one that competed at LONDON 2012 so clearly a ***** one and another that just finished 12th in the MILLION dollar class in USA, so again clearly *****] I'm proud they were graded AES in the UK, now that is what BRITISH BREEDING should be about.
 
Thank you Colour Fan. I am dismayed that the only contact for AES in France is via Facebook not helpful for those of us who don't do facebook.
 
shirleyno2 said:
I'd wait till the ugly man that is fanning the flames goes quiet and we get an official press release. Gossip can be dangerous and I believe this to be gossip, not denying there are changes afoot in house, there clearly is. But the ugly little man should spend more time photoshopping some crowds into his pictures and less time slandering the AES!!
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So you've now gone from waiting for an 'official' press release to promoting your own stallions and slagging off those who ask for information - nice touch no2!
 
How about we hear Henk's side??
Re using AES stallions, I really cannot see a problem for mare owners, I'm fairly sure any dispute will be sorted by the time your foals are born in 2014 [even if you breed early Keith!!]
The dotinfo website is the one I have always used.
I wouldn't trust the foreign guy further than i could kick him. I think you'll find a private grading in mainland Europe will cost nearer 3 grand.
I have several stallions graded with the AES, from registered to Approved [Including one that competed at LONDON 2012 so clearly a ***** one and another that just finished 12th in the MILLION dollar class in USA, so again clearly *****] I'm proud they were graded AES in the UK, now that is what BRITISH BREEDING should be about.[/QUOTE]

Well said. I don't often comment on here but a lot of what I've read online in the last couple of days has reminded me of a 16th century witch hunt, and the majority of it from people with their own agendas trying to put the frighteners on and hoping to divert a few mare owners in their direction. Henk has done a tremendous amount for British breeding and brought us our first proper British studbook for jumpers - and regarding the comments about poor correspondence and delayed passports, personally I've always found the AES extremely efficient and have never had any problems. Surely the British breeding industry should pull together instead of trying to rip apart one of our main stud books.:mad:
 
Slow at responding to emails they may be, however with passports I have ALWAYS found the service from the AES to be fabulous. Both my foals passports last autumn came back within a week and a half of being sent off. Likewise for everyone I know that sent passport applications in.
 
Pippin79 said:
Well said. I don't often comment on here but a lot of what I've read online in the last couple of days has reminded me of a 16th century witch hunt, and the majority of it from people with their own agendas trying to put the frighteners on and hoping to divert a few mare owners in their direction. Henk has done a tremendous amount for British breeding and brought us our first proper British studbook for jumpers - and regarding the comments about poor correspondence and delayed passports, personally I've always found the AES extremely efficient and have never had any problems. Surely the British breeding industry should pull together instead of trying to rip apart one of our main stud books.:mad:
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Exactly
 
Flyingbuck said:
So you've now gone from waiting for an 'official' press release to promoting your own stallions and slagging off those who ask for information - nice touch no2!
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Keith, did you mean to be so rude? What a shame if you did :(

Shirley wasn't promoting her own stallions - she gave the sketchiest detail and no names and mentioned merely to support her comments and indicate the high regard in which she holds the AES. Plenty of people would have to look the details up to know which ones she was talking about - that's hardly promotional if your potential clients have to do the donkey work just to know the stallions' names! ;)

It would also help if you could quote for the rest of us where you read her slagging off those who ask for information. Thank you. :)
 
I have absolutely no knowledge of the AES or their workings (I'm in a different country/Continent to you guys) but I do breed to German stallions and my mares are approved with a few of the North American branches of the German Verbands. When I breed my mares, if the stallion isn't on the roster for the registry I wish to register the foals with, all I do is either pay the initiation fee to have him put onto that years stallion roster or some registries have a reciprocal arrangement whereby if the stallion is licenced with one of the big registries, the others will accept him too, and once again all I pay as mare owner is the cost to have him reinstated for that year of breeding. Aren't mare owners allowed to do that in the UK? It all seems a lot of palaver over nothing to me, but as I say, I know nowt about AES.
 
The two stallions Shirley is accused of promoting...if I've guessed right ? ..are not hers now, so can hardly have been for her benefit but was to show the AES does World Class horses registered here in the UK by the AES :)
 
Flyingbuck said:
So you've now gone from waiting for an 'official' press release to promoting your own stallions and slagging off those who ask for information - nice touch no2!
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LOL Keith, absolutely, categorically not. Ask anyone you like to call about using those two stallions, you will all be told the same, I am not selling the semen. Full Stop. End Of. That's right, I'm keeping it all for my own mares, cos the AES graded two World class stallions there!!
And I don't believe I have slagged off anyone??? Could you tell me who!

I've had a top night out and I will eagerly be awaiting more news!!!!!!!
 
I did actually say to one lady if her mare was an International grade A with any International grade A progeny, I'd sell her a dose!!!!!!
 
Truly said:
The two stallions Shirley is accused of promoting...if I've guessed right ? ..are not hers now, so can hardly have been for her benefit but was to show the AES does World Class horses registered here in the UK by the AES :)
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Really? So the one that was 12th is not owned by Brendon Stud nor is he being offered frozen semen to approved mares via her website?
 
So from what I have understood from your posts flyingbuck, you have never used an AES graded stallion, so you will not have any foals to register this year and you are going to go elsewhere to look for sires of your 2014 foals. So why are you even bothered about what is going on, unless your motive is to scaremongering of course.
 
Flyingbuck you are just out to cause a bit of trouble, nothing helpful to British breeding other than slagging it off, we have enough ego maniacs in the horse world. You have added nothing to this post at all.
 
koeffee said:
You have added nothing to this post at all.
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Koeffee, looking back through this users posts, I doubt he has ever added anything constructive to any post on HHO!

He has proved that he has NEVER used the AES, never used an AES graded stallion, nor is likely to. All he wants to do is cause trouble. SIMPLE!
 
I think there will be no problems with AES stallion that were graded before February 2013. I am sure there will be a compromise or some form of solution to find, which AES society is in charge.
A real problem and a terrible situation is presently made for the stallion owners that had their stallions graded from February 2013 onwards. The articles tell us of 2 gradings, I know that there was at least one more grading done in Germany on 16 March. The situation is not clear as one AES does accuse the other AES of not being in charge and that this or that grading is not valid. This is awful for the stallion owners that participated in these gradings. I feel with them and hope that everything will be solved asap.
 
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Flyingbuck said:
Really? So the one that was 12th is not owned by Brendon Stud nor is he being offered frozen semen to approved mares via her website?
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PMSL, I'd be the first to admit my website is not always upto date!!!
Just so we're straight Keith, you are talking about DON VHP Z yes?? He was sold last summer, so you really are out of date!! And I can promise you his frozen is NOT for sale, it is all MINE!!!!! Not even International showjumpers can get it off me!! [Same with the other one!!]
You chose to miss my point that the AES had graded these International Superstars, creditable stallions with a creditable studbook and I look forwards to their progeny sending AES further up the world rankings!
 
shirleyno2 said:
PMSL, I'd be the first to admit my website is not always upto date!!!
Just so we're straight Keith, you are talking about DON VHP Z yes?? He was sold last summer, so you really are out of date!! And I can promise you his frozen is NOT for sale, it is all MINE!!!!! Not even International showjumpers can get it off me!! [Same with the other one!!]
You chose to miss my point that the AES had graded these International Superstars, creditable stallions with a creditable studbook and I look forwards to their progeny sending AES further up the world rankings!
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LOL! Not only is your website out of date, but you clearly stated that you have AES stallions which include the one who was 12th - when to be totally accurate, you now state you had this stallion until last summer - so clearly detail is seemingly not your strong point - good to know ;)
 
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