AHAR Animal Heaven Animal Rescue Exposed.

Cortez said:
The present investigation is not what I was referring to. Cute picture of Samwell as requested:

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Oh my, he's got a character bigger than a house, hasn't he? Border and Staffie somewhere in there?
 
Oh no, he's tiny - only 11ins; a Pomeranian Jack Russell cross we think. He's the most devoted little man, sitting on my lap right now (and he does actually have four legs BTW).
 
Cortez said:
Oh no, he's tiny - only 11ins; a Pomeranian Jack Russell cross we think. He's the most devoted little man, sitting on my lap right now (and he does actually have four legs BTW).
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I was going to guess jrt, but I thought he was bigger. Huge character though, from that photo. Why was he homeless, do you know? I wouldn't mind one like him.
 
ycbm said:
I was going to guess jrt, but I thought he was bigger. Huge character though, from that photo. Why was he homeless, do you know? I wouldn't mind one like him.
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He's three years old, belonged to a family, more specifically a little boy who is autistic. The little boy was provided with a service dog, and the protocol is that there can be no other dogs in the family, so poor Sammy had to be rehomed. Took him a long time to settle here - missing his boy I think, but now he is a very happy lad and obsessed with his football :-) We love him.
 
Cortez said:
He's three years old, belonged to a family, more specifically a little boy who is autistic. The little boy was provided with a service dog, and the protocol is that there can be no other dogs in the family, so poor Sammy had to be rehomed. Took him a long time to settle here - missing his boy I think, but now he is a very happy lad and obsessed with his football :-) We love him.
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Well he looks pretty lovable to me!
 
Cortez said:
Twice, a year apart.
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As KM said on the Joe Duffy radio show yesterday people who go once or twice dont see a problem its only when you go on a regular basis you see animals not progressing.

If you follow Ahar regularly you will be familiar with an English admin who was voracious in her support of Ahar, she visited them once or twice but after her 3rd visit she cut all ties with Ahar. Its been disclosed today on the exposed page that after her 3rd visit she saw all was not well, she does not want to co-operate with the exposed page but has stated she is reporting separately. Make of that what you want but it points at the continued neglect a lot of animals suffer, of course some of them get to have good homes like yours but an awful lot get passed on again, especially the horses.

Incidentally another admin and big supporter left back in September and she is being given hell by Ahar, its all about intimidation to keep people silent, it really is horrendous.
 
I totally agree that all accounts, donations (cash paypal and everything) and expenses (wages payouts for vets feed etc) absolutely everything should be made public - after all its the public who fund this place, I dont see AHAR ever holding fund-raisers like dog shows, open days etc like other charities do.
I also think that this buying of horses and dogs from fairs- many of which aren't being cruelly treated, or uncared for, must stop. Excuses given for buying - and these are just a few- 'this foal was crying for his mother' (foal 6 months), these cob foals had no mother with them (well grown foals in October) - does she not understand foals have to be separated from their mums and always whinny a bit at weaning? Also buying mothers to re-unite them with their foals is NOT a reason to buy them.
Dogs bought purely because they are being led on a 'blue rope', litters of fat, healthy pups bought, this is not rescuing, this is hoarding, especially as in her own FB page words 'the centre is overflowing at the seams' 'we cant afford the vetwork' 'we cant pay our feed merchant'.
If AHAR is to continue, the animalls she takes in MUST be monitored properly.
 
This is what someone has written on the exposed page and I know he made an affidavit and it was given to the DAFM and Guarda and nothing came of it.














I used to work In ahar I started the time of the rescue of the cork horses I was there a few weeks and did t see much of suzzane but after a couple of months there I got closer to suzzane and ended up In a relationship with her it was from then I really say what was going on the lies that were told the and how horribly people and animals were treated
ANIMALS
I seen suzzane beat dogs because they wouldn't stand properly for pictures for Ber to tell more lies about I seen horses and dogs dying there and being buried there I remember the morning the department of agri were coming and the gates had to be locked so the dead dogs in the plastic bags on top of the loft and out the back in the muck heap could be gathered up and hidden I saw horses with strangles go to new homes the trailer load of dead ponies in the trailer for 2 days In the farm and them park down at the house for 10 days and when wards came to collect them they were rotting badly I seen the dogs in crates for weeks not getting out I was there when the donkeys were kept in the back of the lorry until five of the six were dead I saw suzzanes dogs at the house locked in a porch all day I saw more in a dark shed for days and the fox left for weeks in the outside toilet and so much more
Volunteers
Always bullying
I witnessed her make a man cry shouting at him one day calling little cbildren leeches for following her around would not talk to them or give Instructions it was frightening so I had enough and gave my notice of 2 weeks I was owed wages when I was leaving but was assured I would get them in a week so you all no where this is going I still didn't get them after going. Through the courts and winning my case suzzane didn't even turn up that's what I say and lots more
 
Dobiegirl said:
This is what someone has written on the exposed page and I know he made an affidavit and it was given to the DAFM and Guarda and nothing came of it.














I used to work In ahar I started the time of the rescue of the cork horses I was there a few weeks and did t see much of suzzane but after a couple of months there I got closer to suzzane and ended up In a relationship with her it was from then I really say what was going on the lies that were told the and how horribly people and animals were treated
ANIMALS
I seen suzzane beat dogs because they wouldn't stand properly for pictures for Ber to tell more lies about I seen horses and dogs dying there and being buried there I remember the morning the department of agri were coming and the gates had to be locked so the dead dogs in the plastic bags on top of the loft and out the back in the muck heap could be gathered up and hidden I saw horses with strangles go to new homes the trailer load of dead ponies in the trailer for 2 days In the farm and them park down at the house for 10 days and when wards came to collect them they were rotting badly I seen the dogs in crates for weeks not getting out I was there when the donkeys were kept in the back of the lorry until five of the six were dead I saw suzzanes dogs at the house locked in a porch all day I saw more in a dark shed for days and the fox left for weeks in the outside toilet and so much more
Volunteers
Always bullying
I witnessed her make a man cry shouting at him one day calling little cbildren leeches for following her around would not talk to them or give Instructions it was frightening so I had enough and gave my notice of 2 weeks I was owed wages when I was leaving but was assured I would get them in a week so you all no where this is going I still didn't get them after going. Through the courts and winning my case suzzane didn't even turn up that's what I say and lots more
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If this is true, then this place desperately needs some proper management.
They need to stop buying healthy animals for no good reason. There seem to be very few, real rescues. They also need to stop taking on animals they can not afford to keep. Nightmare.
 
ycbm said:
Bit more than a witch hunt when half a million pounds is missing from the accounts and the purchasing of puppies and horses is systemic, though. I don't believe the stories about them starving dogs to raise pity money from their photos, but they do seem to need investigating.

I'm glad your dog got a great new home, are there any cute photos please ?
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Regarding the bit in bold, why are you suggesting this when not even the RTE investigation claimed it.



http://www.thejournal.ie/animal-charity-threatened-with-prosecution-3190329-Jan2017/

Are you lying or are RTE?
 
Cortez said:
The present investigation is not what I was referring to. Cute picture of Samwell as requested:

I have no idea about AHAR, never heard of them.......... but that picture of Samwell is just gorgeous and I keep logging on to have another look
and he just gets better every time :)
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ycbm said:
Substitute the words 'unaccounted for' for 'missing' if it makes you feel more comfortable. Of course RTE cannot, before there is an investigation, accuse them of stealing.
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No indication of misappropriation suggests to me that no money was actually found to be missing, in other words that it could all be accounted for.

There has been an investigation into the accounts by the CRA who also don't appear to have found any misappropriation of funds, if they had do you seriously think that ahar would have been given 40 days to sort their books out.

Yet here you are basically claiming fraud without a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
No indication of misappropriation suggests to me that no money was actually found to be missing, in other words that it could all be accounted for.

There has been an investigation into the accounts by the CRA who also don't appear to have found any misappropriation of funds, if they had do you seriously think that ahar would have been given 40 days to sort their books out.

Yet here you are basically claiming fraud without a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
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There is a substantial amount of money unaccounted for. That is why they have been told to get an accountant to account for where the money has gone. Do you have a connection to AHAR? Why are you picking on my posts when a TV program has said the same as I am and so have others on this forum?
 
ycbm said:
There is a substantial amount of money unaccounted for. That is why they have been told to get an accountant to account for where the money has gone. Do you have a connection to AHAR? Why are you picking on my posts when a TV program has said the same as I am and so have others on this forum?
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I am sure Chocolate Moonbeam spoke in a manner rather "Pro AHAR" in a previous thread. Apologies if I am incorrect.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
No indication of misappropriation suggests to me that no money was actually found to be missing, in other words that it could all be accounted for.

There has been an investigation into the accounts by the CRA who also don't appear to have found any misappropriation of funds, if they had do you seriously think that ahar would have been given 40 days to sort their books out.

Yet here you are basically claiming fraud without a shred of evidence to back yourself up.
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When charities accept donations from the trusting public then the onus is on them to prove and show where every single cent goes. This isn't the case with with AHAR. You can't just go and dip in and out and not keep track of things. It's not good enough. There's no excuse
 
Some charities pay staff, nothing wrong with that but if the charity repeatedly say it is wholly staffed by volunteers but it is paying staff, by default I would say money isn't properly accounted for as there would be no record of salaries.
 
ycbm said:
There is a substantial amount of money unaccounted for. That is why they have been told to get an accountant to account for where the money has gone. Do you have a connection to AHAR? Why are you picking on my posts when a TV program has said the same as I am and so have others on this forum?
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This is a copy paste of the sanction imposed. Nowhere does it state an accountant has to be brought in to account for where the money has gone.

The notice, which was accepted by the organisation on the 16th January 2017, requires AHAR to:

Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.

Introduce periodic financial reporting setting out the income and expenditure (including the nature of that income and expenditure) and the assets and liabilities of the charity.

Ensure all financial reports are scrutinised by the charity trustees under a standing agenda item – ‘financial status of the charity’ during regular management committee meetings.

http://charitiesregulator.ie/en/CRA/Pages/WP17000001
 
In my company the person we 'Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience' is an actual accountant or book keeper. it's like that with most businesses that are above board.

There is honestly so much dodgy stuff that could be gone into in these ahar thread
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
This is a copy paste of the sanction imposed. Nowhere does it state an accountant has to be brought in to account for where the money has gone.

The notice, which was accepted by the organisation on the 16th January 2017, requires AHAR to:

Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.

Introduce periodic financial reporting setting out the income and expenditure (including the nature of that income and expenditure) and the assets and liabilities of the charity.

Ensure all financial reports are scrutinised by the charity trustees under a standing agenda item – ‘financial status of the charity’ during regular management committee meetings.

http://charitiesregulator.ie/en/CRA/Pages/WP17000001
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Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.

I think you'll find this means an accountant, it doesn't state at what level it may not mean someone who has completed ACCA or similar but to keep books of accounts by person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience does not mean some one that can add a few figures and use excel it means someone with training in accountancy.
To be fair if only 1% of what AHAR are accused of turns out to be true then they should no longer be allowed to function as a charity especially one that receives public money.
 
paddi22 said:
In my company the person we 'Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience' is an actual accountant or book keeper. it's like that with most businesses that are above board.

There is honestly so much dodgy stuff that could be gone into in these ahar thread
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I'm well aware of that, that is not my issue.

My issue is with people making accusations that haven't been made either by the CRA or by the RTE investigation.
 
LD&S said:
Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.

I think you'll find this means an accountant, it doesn't state at what level it may not mean someone who has completed ACCA or similar but to keep books of accounts by person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience does not mean some one that can add a few figures and use excel it means someone with training in accountancy.
To be fair if only 1% of what AHAR are accused of turns out to be true then they should no longer be allowed to function as a charity especially one that receives public money.
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Yes thank you, I know what it means. It also tends to suggest that the previous treasurers left a lot to be desired in their roles.

What it does not mean though is that an accountant must be brought in to find almost half a million pounds that someone has imagined has gone missing.

If half a million pounds was missing, what action do you think the CRA would have taken?
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I'm well aware of that, that is not my issue.

My issue is with people making accusations that haven't been made either by the CRA or by the RTE investigation.
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I think I shall bow out of any discussion with you as you are obviously a supporter who seems unable to look impartially at the evidence that has been building for quite some time.
 
I don't think you have accurately identified any such accusations though have you?

How can you say that you are aware of that, that is not your issue when you just said that it didn't say they had to get an accountant??
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
This is a copy paste of the sanction imposed. Nowhere does it state an accountant has to be brought in to account for where the money has gone.

The notice, which was accepted by the organisation on the 16th January 2017, requires AHAR to:

Assign the responsibility of keeping proper books of account to a person(s) with the appropriate skills and experience.

Introduce periodic financial reporting setting out the income and expenditure (including the nature of that income and expenditure) and the assets and liabilities of the charity.

Ensure all financial reports are scrutinised by the charity trustees under a standing agenda item – ‘financial status of the charity’ during regular management committee meetings.

http://charitiesregulator.ie/en/CRA/Pages/WP17000001
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Do you think it's NORMAL for any organisation to be given this as a legal instruction?

There is a very substantial amount of money going through the organisation, the spending of which is unaccounted for. They have been told to account for it, now and on an ongoing basis.

The fact that they have to be instructed to do this is proof that the money is currently unaccounted for.

How much do you actually understand about corporate governance?

You defended the indefensible on another thread last year, you do seem to have some sort of connection?
 
ester said:
I don't think you have accurately identified any such accusations though have you?

How can you say that you are aware of that, that is not your issue when you just said that it didn't say they had to get an accountant??
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What. Are you suggesting that someone claiming half a million in funds is missing is not an accusation of something?
 
cash withdrawls of 1 million,
previous treasurer reckoned she only got half the receipts
half a million unaccounted for, not sure why the maths is tricky?
 
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