AHAR Animal Heaven Animal Rescue Exposed.

Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired, hundreds of people have emailed RTE with our success stories. I have personally seen hundreds of photos and stories of happy animals rescued by AHAR and adopted by people. I myself have adopted two horses over the last year. Both arrived healthy. I think it's easy to spread hate without any facts. I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
 
Of course there are success stories? It would be hard to be an organisation that big without any? Or to maintain it if there were none. That doesn't help take the suffering away from those who aren't success stories though does it?
 
of course there are success stories, but that doesn't mean that the areas they are neglectful in shouldn't be examined.
 
June08 said:
Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired.
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why is it a ridiculous documentary. every single thing it it was factual. they didn't make stuff up, it was all rpoven and backed up by the charity regulator giving them 40 days to try and provide supporting evidence to clear the charity. They are under a threat of prosecution.

so its not a 'ridiculous' documentary. its a factual account
 
June08 said:
I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
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Do you think horse fairs in Ireland are worse than those in UK? Appleby, Stow etc? I dont. and I have been to fairs in both countries. In my experience,it is a particular ethnic group who cause problems at fairs, not the general public or the farmers most of whom take great pride in their animals.
And this ethnic group cause the trouble in both countries, and neither Gardai nor Police dare do anything about them.
 
June08 said:
I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
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they are absolutely no different to horse fairs in england, scotland etc.

And it's people buying horses off 'people like that' that encourage them to go off and breed more. Every other charity in Ireland discourages buying dogs at fairs, apart from AHAR. Who actually make the situation WORSE.
 
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They have been accused of not keeping proper books of account in accordance with the CRA regulations, they have not been accused of misappropriating funds.
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If the books have not been kept properly then there is no way of knowing if funds have been misappropriated or not. I don't think anyone is suggesting the board / founder have a secret bank account with millions in it. What they are suggesting is that maybe someone (for example) stopped for fish and chips and a packet of fags on the way home from buying horse feed and paid with that from charity money. That is still fraud / stealing charity money and impossible to prove either way when things are being run so slapdash and poorly. Over years that kind of minor fraud can add up to substantial sums.
 
June08 said:
Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired, hundreds of people have emailed RTE with our success stories. I have personally seen hundreds of photos and stories of happy animals rescued by AHAR and adopted by people. I myself have adopted two horses over the last year. Both arrived healthy. I think it's easy to spread hate without any facts. I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
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I'm confused, are you someone who has adopted from the charity or are you associated with them / working for them (or both)?
 
If you took the time to read my post, I clearly state that I have adopted. Maybe your eyes are so blinded by hate you couldn't read it. I have never worked or even know anyone connected to AHAR but I do know lots of people that have adopted. As far as horse fairs go apart from Appleby where in England do you see grown men riding minis down the street and driving goals with shoes on ??? I think your all in some out dated world. The last time fairs in Ireland were full of proud farmers was in the 1980's. I think you all need to put your money where your mouths are and set up your own charity to save these animals .
 
eh you could probably tone down the emotion of your descriptions a bit to bring it back to reality. I don't think anyone here is blinded by hate of AHAR. I can't think of any life situation where i would be blinded by hate, especially about a random charity!

I don't understand where you get your notion of quaint irish fairs in the 80's being full of 'proud farmers'. I was there at irish fairs in the 80's and they haven't changed a huge amount except in the increase of numbers. And they do ride minis at english fairs, theres always the same percentage of cruelty world wide i think,

And you don't actually have a right to be judgy about anyone. Last summeri had 6 rescue horses on the go, some are rehomed now. I also have 2 rescue dogs, 2 rescue cats and 11 rescue chickens. so I think i do my bit thanks very much. As do many other people here.

And I wouldn't set up a charity as i don't think it would be fair on the animals to ask for money from other people and over stock myself, causing a decrease in the animals quality of life. I take in what i can, and what i can afford. And instead i donate to PROPER charities who are fully transparent, non emotive in their language and generally above board. You know, the ones the charity regulator isn't threatening with judgements.,
 
June08 said:
Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired, hundreds of people have emailed RTE with our success stories. I have personally seen hundreds of photos and stories of happy animals rescued by AHAR and adopted by people. I myself have adopted two horses over the last year. Both arrived healthy. I think it's easy to spread hate without any facts. I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
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June08 said:
If you took the time to read my post, I clearly state that I have adopted. Maybe your eyes are so blinded by hate you couldn't read it. I have never worked or even know anyone connected to AHAR but I do know lots of people that have adopted. As far as horse fairs go apart from Appleby where in England do you see grown men riding minis down the street and driving goals with shoes on ??? I think your all in some out dated world. The last time fairs in Ireland were full of proud farmers was in the 1980's. I think you all need to put your money where your mouths are and set up your own charity to save these animals .
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Actually the sentence 'our success stories' makes it sound like you are part of the charity or have a connection to it.
Did you mean someone emailed in your personal success stories? or AHARs success stories?

No I'm not blinded by hate. I used to think they were ok till a friend received the wrong horses from them. I had dealings with them and they got very twitchy when I asked about procedures in relation to both large and small animals and finally stopped replying.
There are good stories yes but there are lots of bad. The bad aren't minor things either and the amount of photographic evidence isn't ignorable.


As for setting up our own charities, we have had 20 odd equines come through ours in the last year or so. Feral, undernourished, two cases the rspca ignored. All have been handled, sorted and homed locally. None bought from fairs and all rehomed with contract and no money taken but anyway....
 
June08 said:
far as horse fairs go apart from Appleby where in England do you see grown men riding minis down the street and driving goals with shoes on ???
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Have you ever been to Llandybyther? Beeston? Derby? Barnet? Watton? Stow? Plenty of places. But what Im saying is there is nothing wrong with fairs- sure horses stand around tied to lorries but they do that at shows and gymkhanas!
The badness is with a certain group of people, who intimidate police and gardai and follow their own rules. (go to any gathering or site of a certain group of people and there will be foals and yearlings in sulkies. UK and Ireland.) Banning fairs will not stop these types. But rescues buying from these people will encourage the problem of overbreeding/breeding rubbish wherever they buy.
I do not believe all these so-called 'poor creatures rescued (bought) from fairs' are all from where AHAR say they come from. I was at several fairs -Killorglin and Newmarket to give you a couple of names. There were no dogs at Killorglin, and one well cared for collie pup at Newmarket. But still AHAR managed to find plenty to 'rescue and bring back to safety'.
 
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June08 said:
Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired, hundreds of people have emailed RTE with our success stories. I have personally seen hundreds of photos and stories of happy animals rescued by AHAR and adopted by people. I myself have adopted two horses over the last year. Both arrived healthy. I think it's easy to spread hate without any facts. I've been to the horse fairs in Ireland and they are horrendous, I would take them all off those men if I could.
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June08 said:
If you took the time to read my post, I clearly state that I have adopted. Maybe your eyes are so blinded by hate you couldn't read it. I have never worked or even know anyone connected to AHAR but I do know lots of people that have adopted. As far as horse fairs go apart from Appleby where in England do you see grown men riding minis down the street and driving goals with shoes on ??? I think your all in some out dated world. The last time fairs in Ireland were full of proud farmers was in the 1980's. I think you all need to put your money where your mouths are and set up your own charity to save these animals .
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The use of the word that I have highlighted in your earlier post suggests that you feel part of this organisation.

Sadly, I have seen grown men riding minis, and cruelly whipping youngstock and literally driving them into the ground. This happens all too regularly, not just around Appleby fair.

I do not live in some outdated world; I live in the here and now and the last horse we owned was rescued from physical abuse.

I was trying to stay out of a thread where emotions for some are running high, but the welfare of all animals is important - and an organisation that is defensive rather than transparent rings alarm bells for me. Not an organisation I can support until transparency is there and the appropriate authorities are satisfied.

There are many well run rescues that I can support.
 
Wow we must have been at the same fairs as I lived in Ireland in the 1980'sand went to a lot of fairs, there were very different to how they are now, and that's not just my opinion but that of my family and friends in Ireland. I'll ask the same question again apart from Appleby where do you see the behaviour in mentioned in England? What Fairs? please tell me as I will go there this year and then I will be able agree with you if that happens .Oh if we are blowing our own trumpets, I adopted four horses last year and a baby mule, two pigs, three cats and a dog. I'm lucky enough to have the facilities and land to do that. And I will be adopting from AHAR this year again hopefully. Good luck with your animals.
 
i think someone listed a stream of examples of fairs above.

You seem to miss the point that people here are animal lovers and WANT animal charities to succeed and do well. I think most people would have started off by admiring ahar, until the kept seeing more and more examples of extreme neglect and mismanagement. And this IS mismanagement. Not just financial but also in animal care.

For example, yesterday one of my rescue cobs was shipped out to germany. The charities it goes froms yard has to follow protocol to be on lockdown for three weeks, to make sure no illness travels with the horse. That means no farriers or staff who have been in other yeards or around animals can enter. Really strict pre travel rules, and tons of paperwork. As a result they DONT ship out horses with strangles, or with the wrong passports, unlike ahar.

You come on and defend, defend, defend ahar, with no sense of perspective. I would love for once if someone came on saying 'yes i did rehome a dog from them and it went well, but i do disagree with horses being shipped with strangles.

But with ahar its either 100% support or people are 'blinded by hate' And lifes not like that, there are grey areas where improvements in any charity can be made. And it's for the animals benefit for us all to make charities function to their highest level
 
I've got to go out on my yard and bring my horses in now, so this will be my last post. The two horses I got from AHAR arrived healthy and with passports. How can I judge it any other way ? I've never spoken to someone who rehomed a horse that had strangles but obviously would not be happy if my horses had arrived with it. Shipping to Germany is a different matter than shipping between Ireland and the U.K. . I can only judge as I've found and as your experience is different you can only do the same.
 
"I would love for once if someone came on saying 'yes i did rehome a dog from them and it went well, but i do disagree with horses being shipped with strangles."

Erm, I do believe I said almost precisely that several pages ago.......
 
I think a lot of the trouble is AHAR are in a hurry to re-home animals so dont do proper assessments of them before they put them up for adoption. And probably the stranges wouldnt have been showing when they left AHAR as there is an incubation period. Also some horses can be shedders (carriers) that can infect other horses even though they themselves show no symptoms. So unless horses are quarantined at AHAR and monitored, which it doesnt seem they are, it would be easy for strangles, EHV etc to go un-noticed.
The same with dogs - for example there were some black and tan hound crosses shown in a cage at a fair on 13 Nov, and also at AHAR the same day sitting on straw for photos. The same dogs are on Allsorts page for re-homing on 8th Dec. So in 25 days the dogs have travelled from fair to AHAR, been neutered, vaccinated, wormed, rabies jab and passport and travelled to UK. - with all this upset, how can their temperament have been accurately assessed? And Im assuming dogs re-homed in ROI might only be at AHAR for a matter of days, as they dont have the rabies jab and mandatory 21 day wait. Not long to assess them at all IMHO.
 
I automatically put any new horse in quarantine for a month, I did the same with the horses I received from AHAR. I think most horse owners would do the same.
 
June08 said:
There's no need to be so nasty. I said what I said because you had not read my post and assumed I worked for AHAR.
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It has been pointed out to you by a couple of posters why the meaning of your post was easily misread because of the wording you used. I haven't seen anyone be nasty to you? you are the one suggesting people are blinded by hate!
 
Rescuing an equine the process goes quarantine, vet check and bloods taken so you know what your dealing with, medical attention if needed, castration, teeth done, farrier they may need to get their confidence with training to be touched etc. they don't just go to any home. They are owned by the rescue and chipped and passported as such. So if things go wrong at rehoming there is back up all the time. Full home check and then regular home checks after. Not just yeah we rescued this and it will cost you to rehome thanks goodbye. Anyone can do that it's called dealing.
 
June08 said:
I automatically put any new horse in quarantine for a month, I did the same with the horses I received from AHAR. I think most horse owners would do the same.
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I don't have any facility to put a horse in quarantine. I would have to put it in livery, if I could find one which would take it. Of the many people I know who have their horses at home, only one would be able to quarantine a new horse, and she doesn't. I've never heard of a private owner quarantining a new horse.

It may be normal in Ireland, though I doubt it. It's certainly not common in private homes in England.
 
All livery yards should insist a horse is quarantined and should have the facilities otherwise your playing with horses lives. Even a field away from the others so they can't touch.
 
I'm lucky enough to have a stable and field separate to my yard. Most of my friends do quarantine their new horses unless they have had a strangles test.
 
June08 said:
Actually since this ridiculous documentary aired, hundreds of people have emailed RTE with our success stories.


It wasnt a ridiculous documentary, it was factual, how anyone can defend that poor 16 year old dog being neutered I dont know.

Ive seen the video of the dog on Ahars page and its pretty obvious they are now blaming the adopter, the video shows the dog walking through the kitchen the day before the dog was pts, implying look the dog is fine why did she have him pts. After dying on the table whilst having his teeth done and being neutered anyone with any modicum of sense would know that the dog was not strong. Im sure just because he looked fine one day doesnt mean he couldnt have relapsed the next, he was 16years old, a Collie who would be exceptionally old for that breed.
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