AHAR (Animal Rescue Animal Hell) PETITION

stormox said:
As far as I can remember (I knew the previous owners) it was bought outright with a donation mainly from one individual. It was then put in trust, with AHAR the sole user. But who or what the trust is, no one seemes to know.
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Perhaps that information is on a need to know basis with you not needing to know.
 
stormox said:
As far as I can remember (I knew the previous owners) it was bought outright with a donation mainly from one individual. It was then put in trust, with AHAR the sole user. But who or what the trust is, no one seemes to know.
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Quite possibly all above board with lousy record keeping then. What a shame they can't just cut out the buying of animals and concentrate on saving the abused, abandoned and animals in need of homes. Heaven knows there are enough of them :(
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I produced the list because you seem intent on adding items to it that just are not there. Ergo, you are making it up to suit your agenda.
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Oh the irony, at least it is just to suit 'agendas' (though I am not sure anyone has one) not to gather masses of donation money

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Because there are concerns time and time again over the upkeep and veterinary care of said animals. And never any answers to perfectly legitimate questions about those animals.
And I don't agree with purchasing animals and pretending it is 'rescue' particularly when as said earlier by another poster there are plenty in genuine need out there.

I don't think it is particularly difficult to figure out, but then I don't think working out why a pony's hind feet would look better than the front is particularly tricky either but then some seem to find that difficult too.
 
ester said:
Because there are concerns time and time again over the upkeep and veterinary care of said animals. And never any answers to perfectly legitimate questions about those animals.
And I don't agree with purchasing animals and pretending it is 'rescue' particularly when as said earlier by another poster there are plenty in genuine need out there.
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Whether you agree with purchasing animals to rescue them from risk or not, it isn't illegal and Ahar are open about it when they ask for donations. You might also find that the definition of rescue does include an exchange of money too.

I've asked questions about animals at Ahar and always been answered, so perhaps it's the way you ask that is the problem and given that Ahar are in the process of reducing a nine grand vet bill i think your concerns about the upkeep and veterinary care of the animals is pretty well unfounded.
 
Chocolate moonbeam said:
I've asked questions about animals at Ahar and always been answered, so perhaps it's the way you ask that is the problem
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well i had phrased it as
'any update on hero please?'
"would love to see how hero is getting on, any update please?"

but since they were deleted i must have asked the wrong way? since you say there is a right way

can you tell me the right way to ask? and il go on the ahar facebook and i'l post that exact wording. Then by magic, since i said the right words, i might get an update. let's do that and see how i get a response. i dare you. because you know it won't happen, it will get deleted immediately, as all requests are
 
paddi22 said:
well i had phrased it as
'any update on hero please?'
"would love to see how hero is getting on, any update please?"

but since they were deleted i must have asked the wrong way? since you say there is a right way

can you tell me the right way to ask? and il go on the ahar facebook and i'l post that exact wording. Then by magic, since i said the right words, i might get an update. let's do that and see how i get a response. i dare you. because you know it won't happen, it will get deleted immediately, as all requests are
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Personally i think you were banned from the page years ago so i doubt you asked any such question.
 
Why is the size of their vet bill indicative of the quality of care? correlation doesn't always indicate causation you know (though maybe that is also too complicated a concept for you) and there is a worrying amount of evidence to suggest that the quality of care is substandard and animals suffering being exploited for money raising purposes- which I would think would leave a nasty taste in most normal peoples' mouths.

I'm not the one asking the questions so it certainly has nothing to do with the way I have asked them, but I have seen plenty of polite questions asked and immediately deleted, which doesn't fill one with confidence does it?
 
eh thats a lie because i literally posted 2 times asking those exact questions, so if they banned me for that then they are worse than i thought
 
just posted for a third time there politely, so lets see how we get on and if theres any reply. its up 3 mins, so i'd genuinely be delighted if they updated their donators on the case
 
ester said:
Why is the size of their vet bill indicative of the quality of care? correlation doesn't always indicate causation you know (though maybe that is also too complicated a concept for you) and there is a worrying amount of evidence to suggest that the quality of care is substandard and animals suffering being exploited for money raising purposes- which I would think would leave a nasty taste in most normal peoples' mouths.

I'm not the one asking the questions so it certainly has nothing to do with the way I have asked them, but I have seen plenty of polite questions asked and immediately deleted, which doesn't fill one with confidence does it?
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It indicates that people who claim they get no vet care are clearly lying. You don't get a nine grand vet bill by not having a vet attend to the animals.

I think perhaps you should read the accounts of people who have been to Ahar recently and people who actually volunteer there rather than reading accounts of people who haven't even been.

I do find that people who have recent direct accounts are more likely to be more truthful than someone who was last there x number of years ago.

Someone who adopted a dog from there recently has said a number of times on these Ahar threads that accounts of the facilities put on here do not match those of what they saw when they went there.
 
Can you show me where I claimed they got no vet care? I think you will find I didn't so your counterargument to my point about care doesn't really stand, it was just as usual random information thrown out at me for no real reason. In a minute you will say you were telling me their current vet bill for some other random reason/point you were trying to make given your previous posts.
 
ester said:
Can you show me where I claimed they got no vet care? I think you will find I didn't so your counterargument to my point about care doesn't stand, it was just as usual random information thrown out at me for no reason. In a minute you will say you were telling me their current vet bill for some other random reason/point you were trying to make.
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Did i mention your name in that. No, i think you will find i said people who claim they get no vet care.
 
Your post about the vets fees was in direct reply to me (you quoted my post)
you then quoted me again to say that people were lying saying they got no vet care.
if it wasn't relevant to what I had said rather than what you are suggesting 'other's' whom I don't know have said please don't quote me in that part of your reply.
 
ester said:
Your post about the vets fees was in direct reply to me (you quoted my post)
you then quoted me again to say that people were lying saying they got no vet care.
if it wasn't relevant to what I had said rather than what you are suggesting 'other's' whom I don't know have said please don't quote me in that part of your reply.
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Yes, because you claimed there was evidence of concerns over their veterinary care so i informed you that they had (it's been dramatically reduced thanks to donations that you resent them asking for) a massive vet bill in order to demonstrate to you that despite what you might have heard or read it isn't the truth.

I did not suggest YOU claimed the animals got no vet care, simply responding to what YOU wrote in YOUR post.
 
But the information of the size of their vets bill still means nothing, other than they haven't paid their vet for a while and the vet has kindly continued treating animals.
It is possible to have valid concerns about the veterinary care received generally and a large rescue organisation still have a large veterinary bill, the two are not exclusive. Having valid concerns about care doesn't mean no vet care. I am not sure why that point is also a struggle.
 
ester said:
But the information of the size of their vets bill still means nothing, other than they haven't paid their vet for a while and the vet has kindly continued treating animals.
It is possible to have valid concerns about the veterinary care received generally and a large rescue organisation still have a large veterinary bill, the two are not exclusive. Having valid concerns about care doesn't mean no vet care. I am not sure why that point is also a struggle.
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So is it the vet you have a problem with, since they deliver the veterinary care.
 
paddi22 said:
well i had phrased it as
'any update on hero please?'
"would love to see how hero is getting on, any update please?"

but since they were deleted i must have asked the wrong way? since you say there is a right way

can you tell me the right way to ask? and il go on the ahar facebook and i'l post that exact wording. Then by magic, since i said the right words, i might get an update. let's do that and see how i get a response. i dare you. because you know it won't happen, it will get deleted immediately, as all requests are
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I asked the same question, in the same polite way. And my message got deleted and I got blocked from the page. I only had a vague interest in the questionable practices at Ahar until that happened. Then I realised the secrecy and dishonesty really was a big issue with Ahar. Alarm bells
 
respectedpony said:
I do find that people who have recent direct accounts are more likely to be more truthful than someone who was last there x number of years ago.
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My friend and her partner were working there a matter of weeks ago. Shes finally been able to get herself out and has posted a lot on the AHAR exposed page, including the drunken ramblings and threats from SG. There is a reason more people dont come forward, and she is it!

https://www.facebook.com/Animal-Heaven-Animal-Rescue-AHAR-Exposed-795034397244586/?fref=ts
 
Sounds like the old saying "sunlight is the best disinfectant" is appropriate here. Honestly Chocolate Moonbeam, you should bow out now because with every post you just make AHAR sound even more dodgy. If they aren't you are doing them no favours.
 
hairycob said:
Sounds like the old saying "sunlight is the best disinfectant" is appropriate here. Honestly Chocolate Moonbeam, you should bow out now because with every post you just make AHAR sound even more dodgy. If they aren't you are doing them no favours.
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Oh you'd like that wouldn't you, give you free reign to spread lies and gossip.
 
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