Flowerofthefen
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A friend git given a lab, pretty much as you describe this one. With correct feeding and exercise and tlc she doesn't look like the same dog!!
Am I an idiot?
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KittenInTheTree
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Given everything she's been through, it's hardly surprising that she's presenting as withdrawn. Poor old girl.
satinbaze
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One area of health to check in am older female is to run your hands over her undercarriage and check for mammary lumps and bumps. A friend of mine took on an older lab that was found to have a mammary tumour and required surgery. My friend happily went ahead and the dog had 3 more good years with her but this maybe something to take into consideration
Teaselmeg
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Well done you for looking and assessing her well. For me she sounds like she needs a quieter home and your 3yr old might be a bit much for her.
I don't know where you are, but Black retriever x rescue have had several young yellow labs in recently.
I don't know where you are, but Black retriever x rescue have had several young yellow labs in recently.
Flowerofthefen
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I think it depends on what the 3yo is like. We have a 3yo lab and she is so laid back. We have just introduced a puppy and they are starting to get on.
Pearlsacarolsinger
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We have 2x 3 yr old working-bred Labs, a 9 month old rehome and Daycare Dog is 15 months. The 3 yr olds prefer to sleep on the settee most of the time while the youngsters play wrestling together. I wouldn't hesitate to introduce an older dog to the 3 yr olds, whilst obviously monitoring their interactions carefully.
PinkvSantaboots
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I hope the trial works out it's a lovely thing to give an older dog a home.
My farrier has done this several times his partner is a small animal vet and she does a lot of charity work for the homeless people with dogs, they have re homed a few dogs when there owners have been ill or died.
The last one they had was a lovely old Staffy and he had 3 years with them bless him whereas he probably would have been pts.
My farrier has done this several times his partner is a small animal vet and she does a lot of charity work for the homeless people with dogs, they have re homed a few dogs when there owners have been ill or died.
The last one they had was a lovely old Staffy and he had 3 years with them bless him whereas he probably would have been pts.
Fjord
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Poor thing sounds like she has been through a lot, maybe that's why she's a bit shut down. Keep us posted.
CanteringCarrot
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The shelter has been closed for 2 days now due to staff illness/a virus going around. At the moment only staff and some volunteers are allowed there to do the basic care and exercising. So I haven't been back yet.
Meanwhile, my "ideal dog" has popped up for sale locally at a good price and I'm sitting on my hands!
Meanwhile, my "ideal dog" has popped up for sale locally at a good price and I'm sitting on my hands!
Michen
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I must be heartless because no, I definitely wouldn't take on a dog that you didn't meet and feel something for even if your other dog seems to get on with her (which I'm sure she would most dogs). A dog can be shut down and withdrawn but still capture you somehow, same with a horse.
Clodagh
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It’s meant to be. Get off those hands!
nagblagger
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If you don't go and have a look at your ideal dog you will always regret it.. even 'blame' the rescue that you lost out on what could have been your ideal new friend The rescue dog doesn't know that you were thinking of giving them a home. Go with your heart, you have them in your life for years so you can't get it wrong...or get them both!
CanteringCarrot
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I just feel bad for the rescue dog. OH really has concerns for her re our stairs. To get into the garden out the back door there is a steep stairway of 10+ stairs. Our 3 year old is fine with this and we will very likely move by the time she's 7 or older. The front has less stairs, but still 6 or 7 and no fence out front. Something "bothered me" about her shoulders, elbows, and front rib cage area, so maybe she wouldn't be so fit for the stairs at her age? I don't know. We are rebuilding this area in the spring, and could retrofit a ramp or something... But that's a ways off.
The shelter is still closed until tomorrow.
I originally set out to find a Cane Corso, specifically a puppy because they really need to be raised and trained correctly (as do all dogs, really). My Lab had several Cane Corso playmates over the years (not owned by us) and the breed really grew on me. I've done tons of research and also have a good family friend that has done Mastiff training and rescues for many, many, years. So she's good to consult with as well.
There aren't any decent breeders nearby, and they can be expensive ($3k or so), and I feel weird spending so much on a dog. Idk why. I'd also want a female, blue (gray), puppy, and fgs, no cropped ears (a thing here). Now or within the next months would be the best time, schedule wise, to raise a puppy. Which is important to me. I also want a semi decent guard dog because of where I live. So, since there wasn't much out there I began poking around at Labs again and shelters.
I'm then scrolling through a FB page that covers a very large area, and mostly grimacing at all of the ridiculous crossbreeding that's going on and the amount of doodle crosses, and I see that someone within 2 hours has 2 Cane Corso's left, one being a blue female. She does already have her tail docked, but still has her ears. The parents are lovely, and have really great dispositions, breeding, and features.
The breeder had a premature baby recently and with all of the time spent in the NICU and tending to her little one, she neglected to advertise the remaining few that weren't reserved, and hasn't registered them with a breed registry. So she's priced them at far less than what they'd be worth registered. Both parents are registered. Honestly, I don't care so much because I don't breed, show, or sell. So the temptation is strong.
Edit: now the shelter isn't reopening until Wednesday at the earliest. Apparently many staff members have Covid. Hoping I didn't pick it up because I don't care to get it again!
The shelter is still closed until tomorrow.
I originally set out to find a Cane Corso, specifically a puppy because they really need to be raised and trained correctly (as do all dogs, really). My Lab had several Cane Corso playmates over the years (not owned by us) and the breed really grew on me. I've done tons of research and also have a good family friend that has done Mastiff training and rescues for many, many, years. So she's good to consult with as well.
There aren't any decent breeders nearby, and they can be expensive ($3k or so), and I feel weird spending so much on a dog. Idk why. I'd also want a female, blue (gray), puppy, and fgs, no cropped ears (a thing here). Now or within the next months would be the best time, schedule wise, to raise a puppy. Which is important to me. I also want a semi decent guard dog because of where I live. So, since there wasn't much out there I began poking around at Labs again and shelters.
I'm then scrolling through a FB page that covers a very large area, and mostly grimacing at all of the ridiculous crossbreeding that's going on and the amount of doodle crosses, and I see that someone within 2 hours has 2 Cane Corso's left, one being a blue female. She does already have her tail docked, but still has her ears. The parents are lovely, and have really great dispositions, breeding, and features.
The breeder had a premature baby recently and with all of the time spent in the NICU and tending to her little one, she neglected to advertise the remaining few that weren't reserved, and hasn't registered them with a breed registry. So she's priced them at far less than what they'd be worth registered. Both parents are registered. Honestly, I don't care so much because I don't breed, show, or sell. So the temptation is strong.
Edit: now the shelter isn't reopening until Wednesday at the earliest. Apparently many staff members have Covid. Hoping I didn't pick it up because I don't care to get it again!
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Clodagh
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I sympathise as we have 6 steps up from our front yard to the road, so our older dog is housebound. We have a couple of acres out the back for her but it did mean she had to stop proper walks sooner than she might have done. (Unless we carry her, which she doesn’t like).
Now I know you aren’t an idiot but the thought of carrying a cane corso up and down flights of steps makes me feel tired, whatever would she weigh at 12 months ?
Now I know you aren’t an idiot but the thought of carrying a cane corso up and down flights of steps makes me feel tired, whatever would she weigh at 12 months ?
AmyMay
Situation normal
Remember, Cane Cora’s are a banned breed in some countries, including Ireland and (I believe) parts of the UK.
BBP
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My 2 cents isn’t worth anything here as I know very little about dogs compared to most but if I’m not prepared to support a breeder that ear crops I also wouldn’t support one that docks tails. I’m not sure how it differs. I would also worry how much time they have been able to dedicate to the puppies if they have been focused on their own baby, and those early weeks from what I understand can be crucial. I’m not sure my own dog had the right experiences as a puppy and I’m think that has affected him. In a breed like the Cane Corso that would bother me even more.
I also wouldn’t go for the lab if your heart wasnt in it, as someone else said, even the ugliest most shut down dog can grab your heartstrings and it doesn’t sound like this one has. So I would pass on both.
I also wouldn’t go for the lab if your heart wasnt in it, as someone else said, even the ugliest most shut down dog can grab your heartstrings and it doesn’t sound like this one has. So I would pass on both.
Clodagh
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Are they really? Not UK SFAIAA
AmyMay
Situation normal
My mistake. Apologies.
Widgeon
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I think from your posts the rescue might not be the right dog for you - you don't seem convinced? And if there are other dogs around needing new homes that you are excited about (and it sounds like there are) I'd go for one of those. I hope you don't feel guilty if you don't take her, you can't save them all and you need your OH to be convinced too - if he's not sold on the idea that's worth factoring in.
Re the Cane Corsos, a breeder who docks tails wouldn't worry me unduly (assuming the puppies seem well adjusted and well brought up) but perhaps that's because we're surrounded by working spaniels.
Re the Cane Corsos, a breeder who docks tails wouldn't worry me unduly (assuming the puppies seem well adjusted and well brought up) but perhaps that's because we're surrounded by working spaniels.
Michen
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Looks like they are banned in some USA states inc parts of Colorado.
Not sure I would want a dog who could restrict where I live in any way.
Not to mention there’s a reason they are banned ?
CanteringCarrot
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I've decided not to get another dog at all. Thanks for the support and convo.
CanteringCarrot
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LOL yes, they're banned because they're all vicious and waiting to bite your head off.
Or they're dogs with a protective instinct and it's imparative to train and socialize them properly. Many people aren't capable of this. They're not dogs for beginners or inexperienced. People want a "tough" dog but don't realize that there is a lot of work and training that goes into it.
A lot of the reason is people. Some breed for and encourage aggression.
I live in the country, my next door neighbors all have "dangerous dogs" including Pitbulls, Malinois, Caucasian Ovcharka, German Shepherds, Great Dane, and a Great Pyrenees that guards his flock of sheep. No one has died. Amazing. Or been bitten. I've socialized, met, and/or am regularly around many of these dogs. I don't particularly like Pit Bulls but feel as though they're often the victim of shit owners and breeders, and raised in an environment that encourages dog violence.
If I were to get a dog that limited where I could live (gasp) I wouldn't live there. Tons of places to live in the US
then again I've been limited by my or OH's career for ages re where we can live, so perhaps I've learned to make do!Anyway, I think based off of this thread, it's best to not get a dog. So, moot point.
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Michen
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LOL yes, they're banned because they're all vicious and waiting to bite your head off.
Or they're dogs with a protective instinct and it's imparative to train and socialize them properly. Many people aren't capable of this. They're not dogs for beginners or inexperienced. People want a "tough" dog but don't realize that there is a lot of work and training that goes into it.
A lot of the reason is people. Some breed for and encourage aggression.
I live in the country, my next door neighbors all have "dangerous dogs" including Pitbulls, Malinois, Caucasian Ovcharka, German Shepherds, Great Dane, and a Great Pyrenees that guards his flock of sheep. No one has died. Amazing. Or been bitten. I've socialized, met, and/or am regularly around many of these dogs. I don't particularly like Pit Bulls but feel as though they're often the victim of shit owners and breeders, and raised in an environment that encourages dog violence.
If I were to get a dog that limited where I could live (gasp) I wouldn't live there. Tons of places to live in the US
Anyway, I think based off of this thread, it's best to not get a dog. So, moot point.
From what I’ve skimmed the majority is yes get another dog, HHO will nearly always support the addition of further animals ?
Totally get your point, I am a wimp and just find those bigger banned breeds intimidating because of their potential/ability to inflict damage but I absolutely get that the training is the most important thing and I have no doubts whatsoever that you would train yours impeccably.
Just mentioned CO because I know you are keen on the idea of the state!
Get another dog, life is short
And actually, I’ll shut up because I spent last night with two pit bulls who were the soppiest softest dogs I’ve ever met.
Moobli
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If you aren’t getting another anyway there’s probably no point to my post ? but re the rescue dog, it’s not unusual for dogs who are in rescue or being rehomed to take little notice of new people. It takes time to earn that friendship and trust. It’s a different thing if you aren’t drawn to the dog for other reasons such as looks (beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that) or a behaviour issue, but a dog who doesn’t immediately warm to a total stranger and show instant affection wouldn’t put me off in the least.
CanteringCarrot
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From what I’ve skimmed the majority is yes get another dog, HHO will nearly always support the addition of further animals ?
Totally get your point, I am a wimp and just find those bigger banned breeds intimidating because of their potential/ability to inflict damage but I absolutely get that the training is the most important thing and I have no doubts whatsoever that you would train yours impeccably.
Just mentioned CO because I know you are keen on the idea of the state!
Get another dog, life is short
Pit bulls can absolutely be that way.
Based off of my shelter experience people just don't have the knowledge and time. It really comes down to that. Many people don't exercise their dogs enough and they have too much energy and frustration as a result. This can lead to destructive behaviors or even aggression. I mean Labs have been turned over to the shelter for this reason, and they're some of the easiest dogs, IMO and IME.
Also, many owners don't know, don't care, and aren't dedicated to training. There are many social possibilities in my neighborhood alone, plus local stores, the university campus, and dog parks that should be visited ASAP when the dog is a puppy. Socialization is so important.
People often tell their dogs or kids "no" but don't redirect. This is important. My dogs and cats have always had many chew toys, scratching posts, and other toys so when the chew or scratch on something they shouldn't a simple redirection to a desirable item is all it takes. Or sometimes just having those items deters unwanted behaviors.
Then there's the matter of food too. I think some are over fed and not exercises enough. You also don't want to feed a working dog that needs energy and the ability to recover from a long day out like you would your couch potato dog, IMO.
So there are many factors, just like with horses. We can aquire animals all too easily. I don't like banning breeds or giving breeds a bad reputation, but look at it this way, we add banning idiots from owning them. It's not the breed that is "bad" it's the people that are unfit for them. You shouldn't expect a Malinois to be a dog that lives in a flat with little to no exercise, but people do it!
I have a yard, a fence, another dog, lots of exercise possibilities and social possibilities, plus some amount of knowledge, experience, and resources. Plus, I'm not hesitant to ask for help. But even then, I think it's best to not get another dog. A lot of things to be concerned with and having to deal with all of the opinions from others or restrictions. So maybe I should stay in my one dog bubble where everything is good. We have zero issues with our Lab.
To top it off, while the movers are here (our stuff is here, finally!) she's off playing with 2 Caucasian Ovcharka's and 1 Shepherd Pit bull mix. She's obviously in danger ? and a Newfoundland might even show up!
I do like CO, but I also like other places on the map
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
Pit bulls can absolutely be that way.
Based off of my shelter experience people just don't have the knowledge and time. It really comes down to that. Many people don't exercise their dogs enough and they have too much energy and frustration as a result. This can lead to destructive behaviors or even aggression. I mean Labs have been turned over to the shelter for this reason, and they're some of the easiest dogs, IMO and IME.
Also, many owners don't know, don't care, and aren't dedicated to training. There are many social possibilities in my neighborhood alone, plus local stores, the university campus, and dog parks that should be visited ASAP when the dog is a puppy. Socialization is so important.
People often tell their dogs or kids "no" but don't redirect. This is important. My dogs and cats have always had many chew toys, scratching posts, and other toys so when the chew or scratch on something they shouldn't a simple redirection to a desirable item is all it takes. Or sometimes just having those items deters unwanted behaviors.
Then there's the matter of food too. I think some are over fed and not exercises enough. You also don't want to feed a working dog that needs energy and the ability to recover from a long day out like you would your couch potato dog, IMO.
So there are many factors, just like with horses. We can aquire animals all too easily. I don't like banning breeds or giving breeds a bad reputation, but look at it this way, we add banning idiots from owning them. It's not the breed that is "bad" it's the people that are unfit for them. You shouldn't expect a Malinois to be a dog that lives in a flat with little to no exercise, but people do it!
I have a yard, a fence, another dog, lots of exercise possibilities and social possibilities, plus some amount of knowledge, experience, and resources. Plus, I'm not hesitant to ask for help. But even then, I think it's best to not get another dog. A lot of things to be concerned with and having to deal with all of the opinions from others or restrictions. So maybe I should stay in my one dog bubble where everything is good. We have zero issues with our Lab.
To top it off, while the movers are here (our stuff is here, finally!) she's off playing with 2 Caucasian Ovcharka's and 1 Shepherd Pit bull mix. She's obviously in danger ? and a Newfoundland might even show up!
I do like CO, but I also like other places on the map
I have absolutely no idea why any of that would put you off having another Lab!
CorvusCorax
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Clodagh
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My farrier had (well still does but he’s not my farrier any more) a cane corso x GSD. She was lovely. Guardy but well socialised. He could always leave his van unlocked .
CC don’t let us all offering our opinions put you off. As the owner of 6 dogs I think CC’s sensible suggestion is ridiculous ?
CC don’t let us all offering our opinions put you off. As the owner of 6 dogs I think CC’s sensible suggestion is ridiculous ?
BBP
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I wasn’t trying to say not to get a dog, just that the lab didn’t seem to have captured your heart, and I worry a little that the puppy you mentioned might not have had the well socialised start you want with any dog, just because they understandably have had other things going on that will probably have taken priority. I honestly wasn’t meaning to dash your hopes, I just thought there might be a better fit out there waiting for you somewhere, I’m really sorry if i made you feel bad. I know very little about dogs (or anything really!) so I wouldn’t place any value in my opinion.
nagblagger
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Now your not looking, the right dog will find you.