Animal Communication - Charlie had a reading! *LONG*

[3Beasties]

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I would be phoning the Vet for blood tests, that should clear up the 'virus' question for you at least.

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I am phoning him in the morning

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Peppermint is a general pick me up too, I believe.

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Yes that's what she said. It also is meant to be brilliant for Colic, she said if you can get your horse to take it, it can mean the difference between needing a trip to Horsepital or not.

 

[teddyt]

Horsecrazy2, im afraid the more you are saying the more i am concerned about this woman! If a horse has colic you should be getting the vet, not giving it peppermint oil! Yes, it is good for digestive problems but it is not a replacement for a trip to the vet clinic!

Sorry but i think the woman has potentially given you some harmful advice. I know that it would be nice to believe in what she says. I have an open mind but i do not like hearing someone recommend poisonous plants and toxic doses to a horse. Alcoholics self medicate, as do drug addicts! And what happens to a horse that eats a bag of course mix?!

 

[Dobby]

How ridiculous. Sorry. Sounds to me like you'd've believed her if she'd said he was posessed or something.

Get a vet if he's lethargic or his behaviour has changed, not some bloody "horse communicator" for christ sake.

Sorry. This woman has no proof, absolutly not a shred of evidence that what she's saying is true and you've just lapped it up.

 

[lhotse]

Sorry, but any amount of peppermint is not going to make a horse with a twisted gut better. These people really make me mad, they are playing on horse owners sensitivities towards their horses. They are doing it for their own financial gain. Go on, tell me she did it for free!!!

 

[lhotse]

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Horsecrazy2, im afraid the more you are saying the more i am concerned about this woman! If a horse has colic you should be getting the vet, not giving it peppermint oil! Yes, it is good for digestive problems but it is not a replacement for a trip to the vet clinic!

Sorry but i think the woman has potentially given you some harmful advice. I know that it would be nice to believe in what she says. I have an open mind but i do not like hearing someone recommend poisonous plants and toxic doses to a horse. Alcoholics self medicate, as do drug addicts! And what happens to a horse that eats a bag of course mix?!

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Hear hear!!!

 

[3Beasties]

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Horsecrazy2, im afraid the more you are saying the more i am concerned about this woman! If a horse has colic you should be getting the vet, not giving it peppermint oil! Yes, it is good for digestive problems but it is not a replacement for a trip to the vet clinic!

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I never said you shouldn't get a vet (and nor did she). She just said it was very good for colic and could make a difference. If you are waiting for your vet to arrive I can't see how giving it a natural oil is going to cause any harm?!

ETA -She also said it wouldn't help a horse with serious colic (one who needs an operation) which perhaps I should have mentioned!

 

[arwenplusone]

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Horsecrazy2, im afraid the more you are saying the more i am concerned about this woman! If a horse has colic you should be getting the vet, not giving it peppermint oil! Yes, it is good for digestive problems but it is not a replacement for a trip to the vet clinic!

Sorry but i think the woman has potentially given you some harmful advice. I know that it would be nice to believe in what she says. I have an open mind but i do not like hearing someone recommend poisonous plants and toxic doses to a horse. Alcoholics self medicate, as do drug addicts! And what happens to a horse that eats a bag of course mix?!

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I am with teddyt on this one I think.
My horse would self medicate a bag of stud mix a night if I gave him the choice.

Having said that, it is possible that your horse could have a virus (though I also agree with the poster who said that they struggle to see how a horse comprehends 'virus'). The lady could have been guessing as actually it is a common cause of run down horses, but even if she was, if this prompts you to go to the vet then it isn't a bad thing.

I would see what a professional says and take it from there.

 

[lhotse]

If a horse knew how to 'self medicate' then how do you explain why it will eat till it pops, eat poisonous plants, and turn it's nose up at antibiotics?

 

[ester]

see I don't know how to self medicate so don't know how a horse would.

I have a rough idea having a science background if I need antibiotics etc but that is from knowledge not instinct *tottles off to take some more paracetamol for badly sprained ankle cos doctor said ibuprofen was bad till day 3 as affects blood supply*- see I didn't know that and took it automatically to reduce the swelling, rubbish self medication on my part. anyway I digress cos it hurts!

 

[lhotse]

Having severely sprained my ankle last year in the Alps, I declined the codeine tablets prescribed by the doctor in favour of sambuca!!!

 

[Springs]

We have a friend who does this, they are very good! Predicted that our mare would foal a large black colt. Our mare did, but she did not see the breach birth and the foal died of lack of oxyigen and we had to use a calving aid to get the dead foal out with the vet in the middle of the night.

Some of the animal communicators are very good but can not replace the knowlage and advise of an expert.

Good luck and I hope Charlie is back to his full self soon.

 

[ester]

don't tempt me lol! just relieved its not broken apparently they normally break when they bend that way! half my fault, half pones he doesn't get away without any blame on this one!

 

[ester]

I am a cynic, but several years back met someone who supposedly did this. I have to admit that she picked up on a side of me very few people know. So I think that she was more perceptive than general joe public but thats all.

 

[lhotse]

Ouch, which way did you bend it? Mfoot went inwards so I tore the ligaments on the outside, although I get more pain on the inside now where the bones ground together. Heard a large crack and then immediate swelling. I was carried of the mountainside by a rather fit german climber!!! I really wanted a helicopter though

 

[Donkeymad]

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In the wild, horses do know how to self medicate,but only to a certain extent.
I do like to use complementary products, but sensiby and alongside scientifically tested products. A horse kept in 'typical' way these days willvery easily eat unsuitable products and eat to extremes.
I personally believe that these people pick up on things you don't realise you have said, and your reactions to suggestions. However, if people want to spend their money in this way, it is up to them.

 

[ester]

the other way, ie outwards, yesterday about 5pm. Fell off on the right side and this is my left foot so don't think landed hard enough to break just got in a real tangle. First time I can remember landing and shouting ouch at the same time.

Have graduated from hopping to shuffling (didn't want to walk on it if had broken). and not hugely swollen overall just a v specific lump but there is a lot of iceing going on

Doc (not bad looking!) was also worried about the bruise on my knee but told him that was already there as pone walked me into a tree on sat to avoid a puddle

 

[lhotse]

Double ouch!!! ice is great, but you need to get walking on it as soon as possible as well.

 

[ester]

oh yes am under strict instructions to get walking gently. can't be off too long will have to eat less chocolate. driving is issue at mo cos no way can i push a clutch down so will be 'working' at home till thats comfy as 45 mins drive otherwise.

 

[lhotse]

I was lucky, left ankle, automatic car!!!

 

[Tinypony]

I'm uneasy about the product recommendations.
I'm not so about animal communcation. There are too many good results from AC's who can work straight from a photo, with no questions or feedback at all from the owners until after the reading. Derren Brown's techniques don't apply in that case. I too am wary of anyone who sits with the owner and horse and has a lot of conversation.
I think there is more "out there" than we realise.

 

[teddyt]

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I never said you shouldn't get a vet (and nor did she). She just said it was very good for colic and could make a difference. If you are waiting for your vet to arrive I can't see how giving it a natural oil is going to cause any harm?!

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If used apropriately it may not do any harm while waiting for the vet. But natural oils can cause harm, dont think they cant because they are natural! They should only be used a few drops at a time, not by the bottle load.

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ETA -She also said it wouldn't help a horse with serious colic (one who needs an operation) which perhaps I should have mentioned!

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How do you now if the colic is serious or not?

I am actually all for herbs, homeopathy, flower essences, etc. But there is a time and a place. Saying they may save a horse from going to hospital is dangerous territory.

 

[wildpoppywild]

i totally believe in all of this, my friend had a horse and he suffered from sweetitch he had lost alot of skin an stuff he was in a terrible way, this before she got him. the skin on his back was so badly damaged they said he would never take a saddle, and he should be PTS. his owners got a communicator up an he told the woman tht he was scared to die and wasnt ready to leave yet, he was scared to go into the darkness and he could make it through (communicator had not been told any of this other than he had sweetitch) after this they persivered with his and he now is a confidence giving hacker who enjoys endurance and showjumping

when she first told me this story i couldnt help but cry

would love to get one up to see my horses

 

[Kenzo]

That is really interesting, I hope you both can move forward from this and work things out and of course look forward to the future.

 

[251libby]

I'm wondering if she asked you any questions about your horse before she did the reading...... perhaps she might have got some 'clues' about what you wanted to hear?

 

[Morgan123]

sounds really interesting! could you PM me her contact details pls if possible? thansk! i hope charlie gets better soon.

 

[Fizzimyst]

I used one on Fly years ago, I was at the end of my tether when she was really ill, vet said he would support me if I wanted to pts as although she was not in pain, she was like a hat rack and I was desperate.

She picked up a few things nobody had told her, like she'd had a foal, but it could have been lucky guesses.

It gave me comfort, and the vet carried on with her treatment, horse is happy, healthy and far too fat at the moment. Wasnt cheap, £45 for 15 minute phonecall but I got what I needed from it.

I dont know if she was geniune or not, but at the time I was really desparate and it helped me. I wouldnt never use one over a vet though nor medicate a horse on their say so

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[polyester]

Well being as I'm the AC that said this in the first place and after finding this thread on google whilst looking for something else I thought I'd put in my view!

Firstly as already stated peppermint oil MAY help with spasmodic or impacted colic as past cases have shown. It will not solve surgical colic. Only surgery will sort that and I have had to go down that route in the past with one of my own horses. The only reason her surgery was 14 hours late wasn't through me trying peppermint oil it was because of a bad vet who diagnosed that she had injured her back legs (she hadn't)

On St John's wort being toxic and causing photosensitivity. For those that have not research it properly, it is also an anti depressant and anti viral, one that cleared up a 6 year long dormant virus in one of my own horses. It is also USED for treating photosensitity and not then used in it's pure form but as a mascerated oil(the herb is soaked in the oil for 6 weeks then strained) this is what cleared up photosensitivity in one of my own horses. As for seaweed being high in iodine, yes of course it is. many grazing animals eat it because land is deficient but it is also an antiseptic and anti bacteria, which is why when my horse got a hoof infection he went through enough to make over horses seriously ill but in his case, when he ran out kept getting in front of me to stop me leaving the field as he knew he needed more. Within 3 hours he was no longer badly lame, the hoof heat was gone and he was cantering around his field with his friends. NO plants are safe and NO plants are toxic. As they are only safe and toxic IF NOT NEEDED. If you google ragwort medincical properties it will show you those. New forest mares were seen purposely seeking out ragwort not long after foaling. Yet later on no liver damage was found. This is why they have to choose for themselves. They have an apparatus in the brain which upon snifffing tells them it is medicine or not That is how they choose. If something is not in it's pure form (such as feeds or other types they can not recognise them and have the potential to make an animal ill. My own horses have been through serious amounts of these natural medicines I have NEVER seen any side affects and there is not a single reported UK case of a horse poisioning itself through this treatment.

So if in doubt about St John's wort do your research as it also sorted my horses photosensitivty that was causing mud fever on his white leg as well as my mares nose.

Also if you research just how animal communication works that will also explain why things like 'virus' come up as words. It's not rocket science all the info is out there you just have to do your research.

 

[Equus Leather]

How much do you charge to tell people their horses don't like coloured polos or that they don't like it when people pull faces at them?

Sorry, I'm a complete non-believer in this. Maybe it's my scientific brain and background, but I think many people who pretend to be 'animal communicators' are complete con-artists.

After all, no-one can disprove what you are saying, right?

 

[Pedantic]

Very interesting, I certainly empathize regarding every year that passes being one less with your horse

, I am open minded regarding how or if these people communicate with your animal, but I would personally be looking to the vet for treatment rather than spending £600.00 on natural remedies, but it's your choice, hope whatever route you take your beast improves.

 

[NeilM]

And in the past 'scientists' believed the earth was flat and that the earth was at the centre of the universe.